Get Isaac or Die Tryin' - Isaac for Smash Ultimate

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Hereby; the poll called:

What weapon should Isaac wield in SSBU if he is announced?

Vote here: https://linkto.run/p/C5YAJ7OQ

Results here: https://linkto.run/r/C5YAJ7OQ

*If you have any requests for weapons not found on the poll, please tell us.
*If you have any questions about weapons found on the poll, check the following links:


- Gaia Blade (http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Gaia_Blade)
- Sol Blade (http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Sol_Blade)
- Excalibur (http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Excalibur)
- Stellar Axe (http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Stellar_Axe)
- Herculean Axe (http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Herculean_Axe)
- Bloody Claws (http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Bloody_Claw)


*If you have any more questions you have no answers to following the links, please feel free to ask.
*Poll closes on the 15th of this month. (10/2018)
Fantastic job on the poll. I'll share it on the Twitter account so I can get more people involved
 
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Ballot is absolutely not a good indication of popular Pokemon, especially with how small the sample size is. (barely 2 million votes overall? Which is really not a lot relative to how massive the franchise is.)

And you'd effectively have to skip a gen 7 Pokemon over it, which is not a smart idea whatsoever. Sceptile is popular, totally, but characters like Lycanroc, Rowlet and Incineroar are what's hot with the Pokemon audience right now.
Let's face it, going for a Pokemon from the latest generation just makes more sense, especially since you know Smash fans and Pokemon fans in 2015 would inevitably gravitate towards newer Pokemon. People aren't just expecting a Gen 7 Pokemon in Smash, they want one as well.

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So Nintendo America updated their twitter right now, I don't know very well how this works but, does that means a direct being announced today is unlikely?

I think I saw someone saying that there won't be any other news if they announce a direct the same day.

I'm not worried because nothing is 100% sure but I'm curious.
 
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So Nintendo America updated their twitter right now, I don't know very well how this works but, does that means a direct being announced today is unlikely?

I think I saw someone saying that there won't be any other news if they announce a direct the same day.

I'm not worried because nothing is 100% sure but I'm curious.
Not like I think we'll get anything announced today, there are multiple Nintendo accounts across the globe and I don't think they all would stop posting entirely if an announce were to be revealed that day.
 

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So Nintendo America updated their twitter right now, I don't know very well how this works but, does that means a direct being announced today is unlikely?

I think I saw someone saying that there won't be any other news if they announce a direct the same day.

I'm not worried because nothing is 100% sure but I'm curious.
Nah, twitter is pretty much a constant stream of updates.
Nothing stops them from posting nothing or 100 tweets the same day they announce a Direct.
 

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I think the design of the Gaia/Sol blade is a bit too bulky and would stand out too much from Isaac.
I think going for his base sprite weapon would be nice, I saw a fanart with him having his sword based on the one of his battlesprite.
I agree that the DD design for Longswords is way too big to fit Smash, I think Sakurai shrinking them down to more match how it looks in the first two games to still have that representation and making it look good.

That having been said, Gaia Blade for Isaac, Sol Blade for Felix. Give each of them their "ultimate" (heh) weapon!
 

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Do you guys think the more casual gamers are going to be upset if Isaac gets in because he’s, “Just another anime swordsman”?
 

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I feel we can count on us in here to be reasonable, but I'm sure some Isaac fans, somewhere will @ Sakurai and go ballistic. It's unfortunately inevitable, not being able to control every individual so I'm prepared for Isaac supporters to be dragged through the mud on account of a few bad apples. Of course I'm getting a head of myself, in a month this could all be moot when Isaac's confirmed lol.
Even if Isaac is deconfirmed I plan on sending an appropriate message to Sakurai, and apologize in advance for any other fans of Isaac who would show any kind of disrespect to him or the Smash team. They have put alot of work into it and everyone needs to realize they can't possibly put every character we want in the game. Although if none of my top 10 get in I would be very surprised and let down as only 2 of them are unlikely.
 

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Do you guys think the more casual gamers are going to be upset if Isaac gets in because he’s, “Just another anime swordsman”?
Not if they do his intro right. If done correctly their first response would be "who dat?" To "oh he has a sword" to "holy **** he is a freaking earth bender, with awesome pets that power him up!"
 

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Low expectations is one thing, but don't make it completely sound like there's nothing going for Isaac for us to even believe he's playable in the first place. What do you consider true evidence? His assist trophy has so far avoided two segments of assist trophy deconfirmations, Golden Sun music has disappeared from Samus' stage and has yet to casually pop up on the website, there's still five unrevealed stages we don't know about, the entire August direct was all about highly requested characters, Sakurai even brought up the ballot. Isaac has more going for his chances in Ultimate with the highly requested/fan favorites roster selection, than he ever had with 4's recency and promotion based selection and it's not like Ridley and K. Rool made the roster that game either.

All we can do is speculate on how likely he is with the information above. Can't get any more concrete and surefire than that, as I doubt that any Golden Sun items or assists and the like is going to be featured in any trailers to give it away, before Isaac shows up himself. Even if Isaac is not playable, no reason why his assist trophy won't return, when there's other prominent popular speculated newcomers like Shovel Knight, Krystal, Bomberman etc. receiving one.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Not once did I ever state that Isaac has nothing going for him! I however stated that i'm not going to put numbers on his chances because that is pointless! We never truly know what is on the back of Sakurai's mind. I'm extremely hopeful but i'm not going to count my count my chicks before that hatch!
 

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I don't think it had a marketing issue to begin with. Since Mario's name sells regardless.

The quality of the entries were the real issue.



I don't think I've ever heard the term "Incenroar is what's hot with the Pokémon audience right" until Vergeben even suggested the idea and implanted it into our heads to begin with.
I would honestly be ok with Lycanroc alot more so than Incineroar.
 
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Honestly, if people think :ultcorrin: or :ultshulk: are just generic swordsmen, they won't spare Isaac but I have confidence Sakurai would make him stand out.
That's because they use their sword for around 10 and 22 moves out of their moveset respectively in addition to their swords being visible and prominently seen. As long as Isaac doesn't have a sword that can be seen during their render and idle animations and only used a sword for like 4 moves (similar to his SSF2 moveset) he should be fine.
 

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I would honestly be ok with Lycanroc alot more so than Incineroar.
Yeah. I find it strange that with such a diverse cast of playable characters with diverse abilities, we really do not have anyone that uses Earth/Rock based attacks. The closest things we have in this regard are some isolated cases: Charizard's rock smash (which is gone in Ultimate), Donkey Kong's hand slap (his down special), and Kirby's stone ability.
I do admire the amount of varied characters in smash so far but, it would be awesome to see a character with Earth/rock based attacks. Rock or Ground type Pokemon, Isaac, or something would have a lot of unique potential.
 

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That's because they use their sword for around 10 and 22 moves out of their moveset respectively in addition to their swords being visible and prominently seen. As long as Isaac doesn't have a sword that can be seen during their render and idle animations and only used a sword for like 4 moves (similar to his SSF2 moveset) he should be fine.
I actually hope they won't do him like in SSF2. It feels like they worked a bit too hard to make him unique and he just feels disjointed. Psynergy, plants, earth, sword, they're all mashed together.

It's still fun to play, but I wish they'd distributed them more evenly, like tilts are sword, smashes are Psynergy etc.
 

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Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Not once did I ever state that Isaac has nothing going for him! I however stated that i'm not going to put numbers on his chances because that is pointless! We never truly know what is on the back of Sakurai's mind. I'm extremely hopeful but i'm not going to count my count my chicks before that hatch!
Guess when you said no other hints or any true evidence I took it to mean that you thought Isaac had nothing going for him lol. Also yeah, numbers aren't indicative of anything otherwise Robin wouldn't exist in 4 with how low his chances were rated in comparison to Chrom. And then there's the Sakurai factor, I'm just hoping as a big jrpg fan he played Golden Sun and finally got around to making Isaac playable.

Though I am one of the few Isaac supporters that is cocky, has put all their eggs in one basket, and is pretty sure if Isaac can't make it this game he'll never have a better chance, so he better be in or rip the Smash dream.
 

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I actually hope they won't do him like in SSF2. It feels like they worked a bit too hard to make him unique and he just feels disjointed. Psynergy, plants, earth, sword, they're all mashed together.

It's still fun to play, but I wish they'd distributed them more evenly, like tilts are sword, smashes are Psynergy etc.
I agree. I would like just tilts and jab and maybe his fair to be with the sword, i guess his bair would be best as a back kick like in ssf2, but everything else should be psynergy. And I know many of you want him to strictly have Venus based attacks but I would honestly prefer if he uses all elements
 
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Isaac has a so many elements from Golden Sun that not all of them could be covered in a single move set. Isaac has a sword, items (example: oil drop), psynergy (many kinds to choose from there), Summons and Djinn. The best character I can relate this to, that is in Smash, is actually Cloud. In Final Fantasy, Cloud has several different actions: standard sword attacks, Limit Breaks, Materia, and summons. Yet Cloud's move set in Smash is primarily focused on his sword attacks and Limit Breaks with no summons or Materia used (not even for his final smash).

We could see a similar situation with Isaac where his move set is his sword and psynergy. I know people want him to do more than swing a sword (I feel the same way) but, swinging a sword is likely going to be his jabs, tilts, aerials, and maybe even his smash attacks because it is easier to do that then implement a psynergy attack.
Edit: Even if his move set does not use Djinn and summons, they could still appear in the game in some other way (assist trophy or stage hazard/element).
 
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Not if they do his intro right. If done correctly their first response would be "who dat?" To "oh he has a sword" to "holy **** he is a freaking earth bender, with awesome pets that power him up!"
I always felt Isaac's reveal would have more of a, 'Oh my god he's playable now!?' type of reaction vs a, 'Who is this?' akin to what most of Richter's reactions got. Lots of people seem familiar with Golden Sun, just don't talk about it cause it hasn't had a new game in years and not really relevant, unless someone's going to do a Let's Play or something. I'm still shocked Etika knows about Golden Sun lol.
 

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For sword attacks I realized that I really want the lunge he does when he attacks with a sword in his moveset. Whether it's a fsmash or just a dash attack I wanna see it happen. I would imagine it to be a slow attack but it would at least stay true to the character
That lunge reminds of Shulk's side special (back slash!).
 
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Do you guys think the more casual gamers are going to be upset if Isaac gets in because he’s, “Just another anime swordsman”?
Eh... Half and half. I think initially, Isaac will come across as a cliche, but give it time and he'll grow on a few people.
 

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Do you guys think the more casual gamers are going to be upset if Isaac gets in because he’s, “Just another anime swordsman”?
Considering we've already gotten quite a number of sword wielders thanks to the Fire Emblem series I can't say I'm really worried about whatever outburst will arise from Isaac getting in.

At the very least I'll be too excited to notice. :laugh:
 

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Sword characters aren't even a problem. They aren't even a third part of the entire roster. The whole hate towards sword characters is misdirected from what it should really be called… hate towards FE characters, which is the real issue.

(picture is before Isabelle, but it doesn't change the point nor the message of it)
I couldn't care less what haters think about Isaac using a sword, cause it isn't anywhere near being an actual issue at all, nor I think he would use it that much anyways. The whole interesting aspect about Isaac and Golden sun is psynergy and djinns, and I expect Sakurai would focus on those two aspects the most. Isaac will be pretty unique, I'm sure of it.
 
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Sword characters aren't even a problem. They aren't even a third part of the entire roster. The whole hate towards sword characters is misdirected from what it should really be called… hate towards FE characters, which is the real issue.

I couldn't care less what haters think about Isaac using a sword, cause it isn't anywhere near being an actual issue at all, nor I think he would use it that much anyways. The whole interesting aspect about Isaac and Golden sun is psynergy and djinns, and I expect Sakurai would focus on those two aspects the most. Isaac will be pretty unique, I'm sure of it.
Every character will generate hate one way or another. Best to just ignore it and embrace the character.

Fire Emblem fans must be the most upset with how Sword units are representing the franchise instead of the other type of units. Where are the Axe, Lance and Bow wielders?
 
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Every character will generate hate one way or another. Best to just ignore it and embrace the character.

Fire Emblem fans must be the most upset with how Sword units are representing the franchise instead of the other type of units. Where are the Axe, Lance and Bow wielders?
As a Fire Emblem fan, I can confidently say I don’t care. My two wanted Fire Emblem newcomers were two sword users (Chrom and Lyn), and if were up to me I’d cut Robin and Corrin (the two least sword-users).
 

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Every character will generate hate one way or another. Best to just ignore it and embrace the character.

Fire Emblem fans must be the most upset with how Sword units are representing the franchise instead of the other type of units. Where are the Axe, Lance and Bow wielders?
This ^ 100%

While I am not a Fire Emblem fan, I know that the series has a lot more than sword users. Also, every/any character reveal can create hate in some group within the smash community.
 

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What I find even more cringe worthy is how people legit think Isaac shouldn't be allowed to be in the game at all. It's like they have a hate b*nner for him or something.
Man that sounds terrible. Good thing those kinds of people (coughShokiocough) are, many times, proven wrong. The hate train for Ridley was full of nonsense.
 

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EDIT: Fair point though, just don't agree with him being officially out of the base roster.[/QUOTE]
Man that sounds terrible. Good thing those kinds of people (coughShokiocough) are, many times, proven wrong. The hate train for Ridley was full of nonsense.
Lol lots of haters try finding something new to hate on. Once when Ridley and King K Rool made the cut this iteration, they then act like their was a legitimate reason for their inclusion all along, even though they said otherwise before, and then hate on either Isaac or other characters like Shantae saying they are not relevant enough. It's really sad.

Edit: Worst case from my circle was hearing someone say that even Goku has a higher chance than Isaac >:/
 
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Man that sounds terrible. Good thing those kinds of people (coughShokiocough) are, many times, proven wrong. The hate train for Ridley was full of nonsense.
indeed. that fool certainly got his comeuppance! Now I wanna see the isaac haters get proven wrong too and have them see how awesome he would be. would be perfect.
 

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Lol lots of haters try finding something new to hate on. Once when Ridley and King K Rool made the cut this iteration, they then act like their was a legitimate reason for their inclusion all along, even though they said otherwise before, and then hate on either Isaac or other characters like Shantae saying they are not relevant enough. It's really sad.
Seems like the "hat goomba" argument and other anti-Bandana Dee stuff like that didn't really pop up until after people could no longer **** on the idea of Ridley or K. Rool being in Smash.
 
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