G&W Judgement Hammer in place of RPS

[t3h Icy]

Yeah, this is a bit silly, but since playing with rulesets is the thing to talk about right now, why not?

I think that having an option to do G&W's Judgement Hammer is very slightly more fair than Rock, Paper, Scissors. To make an easy example, RPS might be one-sided if you're playing a set with Prog, lol.

For those that don't know, it's both players selecting G&W, and using his Judgement Hammer, where the highest number wins whatever it is they're deciding about (Stage Striking Order, Port Priority, etc). G&W's Hammer for the first time is one of 3 through 9, and the possible numbers change after each use, though if the players need to do another use (due to a tie), they have the same numbers possible.

(Just as a fun fact, the first use is never a 1 or 2, the second use is never a 2, and any use of it cannot be one of the last two numbers. This means that any use of it has one of seven numbers to pick from. So if you're playing G&W and just got a 9, be sure to use Judgement Hammer twice more for another chance at a 9!)

Thoughts? It's a little slower, and I don't know how much extra time it would take to just do this at a tournament lol, but it adds a tiny bit more fairness to the game.

Edit: Minor mistake.

 

[prog]

I think that having an option to do G&W's Judgement Hammer is very slightly more fair than Rock, Paper, Scissors. To make an easy example, RPS might be one-sided if you're playing a set with Prog, lol.

90-10 matchup.

 

[kd-]

It's interesting and ideally it works, but I don't think it's practical. New players and spectators alike seem to get confused over the stage striking/stage-and-character counterpicking system that's already in place. It also can take up some unnecessary time, especially if pause is mandated off

 

[MountainGoat]

Just flip a coin?

 

[Construct]

People complain about coinflips, RPS etc etc. You can't argue with G&W. It takes 15 seconds to do this, about the same time as a best of 3 RPS. It's more fair as well. I always request it.

 

[Jolteon]

I'm curious, what do people have against RPS?

 

[Rostigalen]

why remove another skill moment from this game

ur dumbing it down icy

 

[The Business]

People complain about coinflips, RPS etc etc. You can't argue with G&W. It takes 15 seconds to do this, about the same time as a best of 3 RPS. It's more fair as well. I always request it.

People can argue irrationally against G&W just as much as they can irrationally argue against a coinflip or RPS.

 

[Dan Salvato]

If you want to use the game's RNG instead of RPS, then do this: Select a random character. Whichever player landed on the character farthest to the right wins. This way, you don't have to start a match just for hammers. (Even though hammers are fun.)

I don't really see the point, though. A best-of-1 RPS is random, unless a player cheats.

 

[Landry]

What's wrong with RPS?

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

This is for moneymatching, RPS is for tournaments

 

[Gliffie]

What's wrong with RPS?

Some people are better at it than others.

 

[the_CAM_factor]

flip a coin. i dont get why we dont do it.

 

[Landry]

Some people are better at it than others.

Its just luck if you only play one match... Either way, the 1-2-2-1 format makes it pretty fair even if you lose RPS every time.

 

[Chisk1n]

And what about Rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock... it's more fair =)

 

[Chisk1n]

It's very simple:
Scissors cuts paper, Paper covers rock, Rock crushes lizard, Lizard poision spock, Spock smashes scissors, Scissors decaptes lizard, Lizard eats paper, Paper disproves spock, Spock vaporizes rock, And as it always has, rock crushes scissors.

 

[Life]

RPS is the simplest of all fighting games.

 

[Bones0]

RPS is the simplest of all fighting games.

It's more of a party game.

 

[Jim Morrison]

A party game brought to a competative scene by banning aspects of it that interfere with true skill.

 

[Bones0]

Banning anything in a game immediately invalidates it as a form of competition. DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING?!

 

[past_b]

It's very simple:
Scissors cuts paper, Paper covers rock, Rock crushes lizard, Lizard poision spock, Spock smashes scissors, Scissors decaptes lizard, Lizard eats paper, Paper disproves spock, Spock vaporizes rock, And as it always has, rock crushes scissors.

One of my favorite shows.

 

[Bones0]

I prefer Evens, Odds, and Imaginary Numbers.

 

[FrootLoop]

RPS is more fun

 

[KrIsP!]

Kamehameha would be much more interesting before sets

I like IE's idea for being fair and quick..I want judgement for hype though but I don't think it should be any sort of rule. Just do it when you want to.

 

[The Star King]

Game and Watch finally has a use in competitive Melee

 

[Tee ay eye]

people actually care?

i usually sit down, turn to my opponent and say "i throw rock. what do you pick?"

 

[Eggm]

If you want to use the game's RNG instead of RPS, then do this: Select a random character. Whichever player landed on the character farthest to the right wins. This way, you don't have to start a match just for hammers. (Even though hammers are fun.)

I don't really see the point, though. A best-of-1 RPS is random, unless a player cheats.

This is a great idea.

 

[PGH Carroll]

people actually care?

i usually sit down, turn to my opponent and say "i throw rock. what do you pick?"

What are you gonna do when I say "I also throw rock"

Edit. Ive never thrown anything except for rock in like 6 years.
I live and die by that ****

 

[Tee ay eye]

What are you gonna do when I say "I also throw rock"

Edit. Ive never thrown anything except for rock in like 6 years.
I live and die by that ****

i'll usually tell them that they can't use rock

 

[KrIsP!]

I usually ask for a neutral start

 

[Xyzz]

i'll usually tell them that they can't use rock

I don't think you can do this, I'll go ask the TO about it.

On a slightly more serious note: I approve of your first idea, as well as the suggestion of IE :D

 

[onionchowder]

Paper is the new Rock.

 

[-LzR-]

Finnish people do this in tournaments instead of RPS sometimes. I think it's just fine, but it's not like RPS is unfair or anything or won't take 5 seconds.

 

[KrIsP!]

Paper is the new Rock.

Straight up, everyone uses rock cause they think it's top tier. I just troll with paper the same way I do with my main

 

[Lukahn]

Punch Each Other.
The last one standing wins.

The younger begins.

 

[MaskedMarth]

The problem with RPS is negotiating the Rock-paper-scissors-SHOOT school vs. the Rock-paper-SCISSORS school. So annoying.

I like IE's method.

 

[Bones0]

Everyone knows you throw on "shoot." People who throw on scissors have absolutely no sense of rhythm.

 

[KrIsP!]

RPS isn't fair. Rock had been top tier due to its ease since your hand was already shaped as a fist but the new metagame is making paper OP. Seriously, I won every RPS with paper last time I played so I think we should switch to something more balanced like Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock.

 

[Bones0]

I hold my hand as paper until shoot. Top level baits like that are what separate the good players from the greats.

 

[KrIsP!]

Does switching midshoot count as mind games/tech skill?