Franchise representation

[susu_atari]

So, how about, rather than bickering about which characters we think are going to be in Brawl, how about we all band together a bit, and try and make a nice big list of all Nintendo's first and second party franchises, try and judge how popular they are, and estimate how much representation we think they deserve (which I'll outline by putting the number of characters I think the game should have in brackets)?
I can't find a complete list anywhere of all of Nintendo's games, so I figure this is a good way to go about it.
I'm going to count Mario, DK, and Wario games all under "Mario", considering they're all present in the same games, generally. I'll also include "Retro" as one entity, including characters like Pit, Ice Climbers and Mr.G&W.
Ok, I'll begin by listing the games represented in Melee, and a couple of other I think should be represented.

1. Mario (8)
2. Zelda (5)
3. Metroid (3)
4. Retro (3)
5. F-Zero (2)
6. Kirby (3)
7. Fire Emblem (2)
8. Pokemon (4)
9. Starfox (3)
10. Mother (2)
11. Advance Wars (1)
12. Pikmin (1)

 

[VivaLaPuff]

I'd say Pokemon is much higher. The way I see it you can stick them in tiers:

Top: Mario

High: Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid

Medium: DK, F-Zero, Kirby, StarFox

Low: All Others

 

[Psychoace]

High: Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Sonic

Medium: Megaman, Ninja Gaiden, ummmm duck hunt?

low: Final Fantasy I guess since it was on there.

 

[Croco]

1. Mario (8) I Agree
2. Zelda (5) I Agree
3. Metroid (3) I sort of Agree
4. Retro (3) There probably be more then 3
5. F-Zero (2) I Agree
6. Kirby (3) I Agree
7. Fire Emblem (2) I Agree
8. Pokemon (4) I Agree
9. Starfox (3) I Agree
10. Mother (2) I sort of Agree
11. Advance Wars (1) Maybe
12. Pikmin (1)Maybe

Animal Crossing (1) - You forgot this one.. Either Boy or Girl could be the choice.. players might have the option to import their characters from the DS game.
Retro (4+) - There will probably be allot of retro characters this time around. Characters like Duck Hunt Dog, Alice, Mike Jones, and others do have good chances. Sakurai, I even believe would like the idea of more retro characters then popular characters. It shows Nintendo's huge library of game series.. even from the past. Also don't forget that Ice Climbers and Mr. G&W will probably be returning. Then you have to think about the VC on the Wii and how that might boost sales of their classic games.
Metroid (?) - I'm not to sure how many will be represented. I'm going to say 2.. but I'm thinking it will only be Samus and Dark Samus.. maybe even X-AS from fusion. Ridley might make it but he may end up as a mini-boss or AT.
Advance Wars (?)- Might happen.. but I wouldn't regret it will. Anyone from Advanced Wars would make a interesting character though.
Pikmin (?)- Again.. might happen but do not count on it.. but if Animal Crossing can get in Brawl.. why not a Pikmin character? Am I right?
Others (?)- It is possible that characters like Alexia Rovias, Barbara the Bat, John Raimi, and Stafy might all make it in. Even Miis might make it in as playable.
3rd Party (3-4 or More)- Even though Sakurai stated that there will be 2 more 3rd party characters.. this number could change to even more. Konami may even end up as the only 3rd party involved with Brawl.


Anyway.. we also have to think about how many developers might be involved with this game. For this game to have a breaking record of musicians.. you would think it would have a freaken huge developing team. The more people.. the faster the work might be able to get finished. Plus.. it is possible for them to just use models from other games and port them into brawl.. (Link and Zelda come to mind) Even the stages.. (Mario Sunshine and Eldin Bridge)

 

[Xanderous]

I love how people just make up stuff that Sakurai allegedly said.

Wait, no. I hate that.

 

[shadenexus18]

Darn you Mario franchise.....darn you...

It might as well be called "Super Mario Smash Bros Brawl" seeing how there are a slew of Mario characters. What a load of bull!

 

[maxpower1227]

Decent idea... I'll justify my numbers by naming the actual characters

1. Mario: 5

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach

1a. Yoshi: 1

Yoshi

1b. Donkey Kong: 2

Donkey Kong
Diddy/Dixie Kong (one character slot)

1c. Wario Ware: 1

Wario

2. Zelda: 3

Link
Zelda/Sheik (one character slot)
Ganondorf

3. Metroid: 1

Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley

4. Retro: 3

Ice Climbers
Pit
Mr. Game & Watch

5. F-Zero: 1

Captain Falcon

6. Kirby: 2

Kirby
MetaKnight

7. Fire Emblem: 1

Marth - I honestly don't know this series well enough to know if it deserves another, or if another character could be differentiated from Marth enough

8. Pokemon: 3 or 4

Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Maybe one more if Pichu is indeed cut, but I don't know who

9. Starfox: 2

Fox McCloud
Falco Lombardi

10. Mother: 1

Ness - again, I don't know this series that well, but I don't know if it warrants more than Ness

11. Advance Wars: 0

Eh... no roster members. Maybe an AT?

12. Pikmin: 0

Again, AT maybe. I don't see real PC potential there

13. Third Party: 4 or 5

Solid Snake
Sonic The Hedgehog
Mega Man
Simon Belmont
Bomberman (maybe)

Total: 30 to 32 characters

 

[AAbatterie]

To maxpower1227: Expect one more in Zelda, one more in Starfox, and one more in Fire Emblem. And there's only going to be a maximum of 3 third party characters, I think Sakurai said that somewhere.

Oh and I doubt the number of characters would be 30 to 32, probably around 35 to 40. Or maybe I'm just wishing it's 35 to 40.

 

[WFL]

7. Fire Emblem: 1

Marth - I honestly don't know this series well enough to know if it deserves another, or if another character could be differentiated from Marth enough

Black Knight owns Marth.

 

[Midna]

sounds like a plan... here's my 2 bits:

1. Mario: 6
Dr. Mario
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Wario
agreed. but you forgot Dr. Mario. I have a strong loathing for people who despise him.

1a. Yoshi: 1

Yoshi-agreed

1b. Donkey Kong: 1

Donkey Kong-DK is all he needs

2. Zelda: 5

Link
Zelda/Sheik (one character slot)
Ganondorf
Young Link
Midna
You saw that one coming. as far as YL goes, I'm for everyone returning

3. Metroid: 2

Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley
heck, I could care less if Ridley appears or not, so I'll just say: sure.

4. Retro: 3

Ice Climbers
Pit
Mr. Game & Watch
agreed.

5. F-Zero: 1

Captain Falcon-agreed

6. Kirby: 2

Kirby
MetaKnight
agreed.

7. Fire Emblem: 3 or 4

Marth
Roy
Lyn
Hector
wait!?! that's 4!!!11oneoneoneexclamationpoint. I know that. what I mean by this is that at least any 3 of these would be swell.

8. Pokemon: 4 or 5

Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pichu
someone cool like... Lucario? I dunno.
yeah, that's right.

9. Starfox: 3 or 4

Fox McCloud
Falco Lombardi
Wolf O'Donnell
Krystal Caruso (it's Krystal. I just think that if she did go off with Panther she'd have a cool last name)
See my comments for FE, but my preference would be all but Wolf there.

10. Mother: 1

Ness - just Ness will do.

11. Advance Wars: 0
el franchise necesita nada

12. Pikmin: 0
see Advance Wars

13. Third Party: 1 2

Solid Snake
I'm personally against 3rd parties, but to be generous, I'll make that 1 a 2 and say Pac-Man.

14. Sakurai's Choice: 6-12
I personally think that there willbe between 43 and 47 characters, but I can't prove anything. I'll leave any extrra positions up for grabs at the hands of the Studio.

TOTAL: 35-37
TOTAL INCLUDING #14: 43-47

 

[maxpower1227]

I'm all for Dr. Mario returning... as an alternate costume for Mario (complete with the pills instead of fireballs). No need to have him take up a roster slot, but he should still be kept. This would be a good compromise.

And honestly, I wouldn't mind Pichu returning. I think his self-inflicted damage makes him very unique and part of me would be sad to see that go. I just feel that he could be discarded for some reason.

Also, you may be a bit biased in favor of FE... I just don't see it having as many reps as Metroid and Kirby combined. Is it really that big of a franchise?

 

[Blobulator]

Yeah I'd have to agree with that, the Dr. Mario thing. Honestly I think Fire Emblem could do with 2 representatives maximum. Probably cut out Roy and either have Marth or someone like Ike with Marth's set, and then another character with an entirely new skillset instead of 1 and a clone.

Also it might be wishful thinking but I'd be hoping the Kirby series got 3 reqs - Kirby, Metaknight, and Dedede. I just don't see how they could go without Dedede. It's a similar thing with Legend of Zelda - Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf are the three key characters and should all be represented (Ganondorf hopefully with his own skillset this time >.>)

This would be my list...

1. Mario: 4
Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach

(Possibly 5, but I'm not sure who, the 4 above are the key ones anyway + subsets below)

1a. Wario: 1
Wario

(Sorry I really think with his recent career he deserves a subset like Yoshi I <3 WarioWare XD And WarioLand is great. *cough* Moving on...)

1a. Yoshi: 1
Yoshi

1b. Donkey Kong: 1
Donkey Kong

(MAYBE 2 such as Diddy/Dixie/K.Rool, but considering he's also half a subset of Mario I'm not sure it's needed)


2. Zelda: 4
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Midna/Deku Link? Something?

(Midna is a possibly, considering Legend of Zelda is one of Nintendo's bigger franchises, either Midna or maybe something like Deku Link? I dunno, just something to replace Young Link, just needs the core 3 and MAYBE 1 or 2 more. Doesn't have to be Midna or Deku Link)

(Possibly Sheik, not that I didn't like Sheik considering Zelda is one of my main characters, but Sheik isn't *incredibly* necessary to the series so long as Zelda is there at the least - and yes I despise all Young Links if there is already link there I can't stand clones)


3. Metroid: 2
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley

(2-3 depending on what Zamus counts as should be enough. Better than the single rep from the previous ones)


4. Retro: 3 (Maybe 4 depending on what Sakurai dreams up)
Ice Climbers
Pit
Mr. Game & Watch

(Fine, wouldn't mind possibly seeing one more, not that I'd know who it would be. So 3-4 for here)


5. F-Zero: 1
Captain Falcon

(Don't know a great deal about F-Zero, one more may be nice but I really have no idea)


6. Kirby: 3
Kirby
MetaKnight
NEEDS Dedede

(Kirby, Metaknight, and Dedede are like the Kirby equivalent of Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf in my eyes. They're the key trio and it wouldn't seem right adding one without the other.)


7. Fire Emblem: 2 Max
Marth
One more non-clone, not quite sure who.

(Either marth returns or a newer swordsman I.E. Ike takes his place with exact same moves. Either is fine by me)

(Just not Roy, please >.> Unless he's different moves this time. I'd prefer someone more unique with say an axe or a two-handed giant sword, just something more original)


8. Pokemon: 4
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Recent Pokemon X

(Possibly Lucario but again I don't know enough about the RECENT generations to pick a winner)

(The other 3 are key, and I think Pokemon with it's size should stay around the same representation as Legend of Zelda, so a decent amount of reps but not as many as Mario)


9. Starfox: 3
Fox McCloud
Falco Lombardi (Different skills please >.>)
Krystal

(Don't know enough about Star Fox but I know Krystal is recent and we need more girl fighters. I'm not entirely sold on Wolf considering his similarities to Fox. Heck, I'm not entirely sold on Falco either unless they revamp him to be unique)


10. Mother: 1
Ness

(Don't know much about this series, I'll leave it to the experts)


11. Advance Wars: 0

(Barely heard of it, 1 rep tops but I really wouldn't be heartbroken if they're not in it)


12. Pikmin: 0-1
MAYBE Captain Olimar

(I wouldn't MIND a Pikmin rep, considering it's been virtually tied to the GC like a long-lost brother. If it were to have a rep it would be JUST Captain Olimar, still I'm feeling about 50/50 with him being playable or an AT. Not sure)


13. Animal Crossing: 1
Mr. Resetti

(Almost forgot about this series. It's big enough now, and with a new version coming to the Wii in the future, I don't see why not. Resetti just seems the most suited after those guys in the background, and Tom Nook isn't a fighter in my eyes. Ah, how I love Resetti)

14. Third Party: 2-3 (That's what Sakurai said didn't he? I don't remember the exact number)

Solid Snake
Sonic the Hedgehog (Obvious choice after the poll)
Banjo-Kazooie (Wishful thinking, they started out on the N64, had a brief few games on the GBA, so they'd fit fine except the only problem is Microsoft and Rare's current relationship *sigh*)

(If B-K didn't get in - not getting my hopes up - then I'm not quite sure who, just PLEASE not Pac-Man >.> Mega-Man is meh, not that I played many if any of his games He just seems sorta iffy to me as well. Crash Bandicoot maybe? I'm really not sure what the 3rd parties will be, I'll just see what Sakurai does)


15. Sakurai's Choice: 5-10
(I'll just leave that, no clue who else he'll pull out of his hat)

TOTAL: 38-41
TOTAL INCLUDING #15: 46-51

The number might seem a bit extensive, I'm not sure who or what Sakurai will randomly pull out. I couldn't think of anymore major franchises off the top of my head but I might come up with something later. This is just my opinion for the time being...

 

[Bassoonist]

Darn you Mario franchise.....darn you...

It might as well be called "Super Mario Smash Bros Brawl" seeing how there are a slew of Mario characters. What a load of bull!

Well what can you say? It is called Super Smash Bros.! It's like Super Mario Bros. with "Mario" being replaced by "Smash".

Simply said, without the Mario Bros., Super Smash Bros. would fail. XD

Mario is the most popular series. I just hope they don't add those characters like Petey Piranha, Birdo, Waluigi, or Daisy.

 

[the grim lizard]

From another thread...this seems about right (and people please don't quote huge lists):

IMHO, here's how many reps per franchise there should be (depending on how many characters total get in)...[Approx. percentage of total characters at left]

[14%] Mario (including Yoshi, not Geno): 5-7
[12%] Pokemon: 4-6
[10%] Zelda: 3-5
[8%] Metroid (counting Zamus as separate): 3-4
[8%] StarFox: 2-4
[6%] Donkey Kong: 2-3
[6%] Kirby: 3
[6%] Fire Emblem: 2-3
[4%] F-Zero: 1-2
[4%] Earthbound/Mother: 1-2

All below are solo-repped for their particular series...
[6%] New series: 3-4
[8%] Retro: 3-5
[8%] 3rd party: 2-4

Also, this really shouldn't be a list topic. Please don't list what characters should be in. Just list a number or percent or comment on something. This should really be in the character section anyway.

Also, DK and Wario really shouldn't be in the Mario franchise part. DK and Wario only appear with Mario (for the most part) in party games. These really don't count. I count Yoshi in Mario only because he has plenty of appearances in Mario's games other than party games. DK should have his own because of Diddy, etc., and Wario should have his own because he has like 10 of his own games.

 

[Modest_Egoist]

I believe that if Sakurai did say he wanted to add more females and more villains to Brawl, then that means add a female and a villain to each franchise if possible. For example, DK can have Dixie and K. Rool, Starfox can have Wolf and Krystal, FE can have Lyn and Black Knight, etc etc. I know that there will be franchises in which you would only be able to get either a villain or female however. Based on this, I feel the franchise representation could (the final list is not set in stone yet) go like this:

Mushroom Kingdom (4): Peach, Luigi, Bowser, Mario

DK (4): DK, Diddy, K. Rool, Dixie

LOZ(4): Link, Zelda, Midna, Ganondorf(redone)

Kirby(3): Kirby, MetaKnighr, King Dedede

Pokemon(4): Pikachu, Lucario, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff

FE(3): Marth, Lyn, BLack Knight

Yoshi(2): Yoshi, maybe he could have a Boshi color option

F-Zero(3): Capt. Falcon, Jody Summer (maybe), Black Bull (maybe)

Starfox(3): Fox, Wolf, Krystal

Warioware(2): Wario, Mona

I know this list is incomplete, no need to point that out. I left some franchises like Retro out because that still leaves a lot of possibilities, and also because it is close to 3 in the morning and my mind is running on fumes at the moment. Good night...

 

[the grim lizard]

(the final list is not set in stone yet) go like

Actually, it probably is.

F-Zero(3): Capt. Falcon, Jody Summer (maybe), Black Bull (maybe)

Sweet! I always wanted to play as an F-Zero vehicle!

 

[Modest_Egoist]

What I meant by set in stone is by revealed as confirmed, I know the games roster is more than likely finalized.

As for the F-Zero chars, I did put them as maybes. They more of an example of what talked about in the previous paragraph about Sakuria adding more females and villains.

 

[the grim lizard]

Gotcha. On the F-Zero thing, you have the Black Bull, which is Black Shadow's vehicle. I was just giving you a hard time.

 

[Modest_Egoist]

It's quite alright. I dont mind it tbh.

 

[DonkeySmasher]

alrighty here we go

mario(5-6)
first of all i don't include yoshi wario or dk as mario characters since they have different emblems and should be treated as such
"but wait donkeysmasher yoshi and wario is in every party game and they debuted in a mario game"
this may be true but party/sport games is nowhere inside the core mario
also each character now has their own series with them being the main protagonist making them legit series representatives
secondly anyone that doubts that mario will not have the most characters need to face the facts
mario is #1 for money made, games made, recognizable mascot, and advertisement for nintendo (and many (maybe all) of these categories true for whole video game industry)
so it is understandable that they get the most representation in a game as high caliber as smash
finally 5-6 is a reasonable amount considering that mario, luigi, bowser, and peach must return so 1 new character is quite reasonable (besides it only ties melee representation) and two is very likely

LOZ (4-5)
i seriously doubt that anyone is doubting this but i'll state three simple facts
LOZ has history, money, and popularity
what else do you need?
plus link, zelda, and ganandorf is in so 1 or 2 new characters is very reasonable

Pokemon (4-5)
pokemon is #2 in money made for nintendo
the future of this franchise is always bright
only obstacle of this franchise is finding characters that truly represent this series
but jigglypuff got in due to japan popularity so it's already been done

kirby (3)
i am tired of debating the reasoning
if you doubt this ask 90% of smashboards

starfox (3)
well starfox is an old and respected franchise in nintendo
nintendo seems to keep making games for it every console even if it doesn't bring in giant bags of money so that shows persistence
melee had two representatives so one new one is almost definite
the real obstacle to this franchise is which of the four likely will be cut

Fire Emblem (2-3)
is a new franchise (besides japan) that is quickly growing in popularity
however it is not established enough to bring more then 3 reps in smash
i for one know very little of this franchise so you guys debate the reps

Donkey kong (2-3)
Donkey kong was once a mighty franchise competing with link and mario for nintendo's love
however since rare's betrayal nintendo has turn this franchise into a guinea pig
therefore it is so far down this list even though it raked good amount of money
in this franchise diddy is a shoe in due to his crazy popularity
only question is if sakurai wants to bring k rool for more villains

Metroid (2-3) zamus not included (however holding a is very likely IMO)
Metroid is an established series cabable of bringing tons of unique characters
however prime is very unpopular in japan
ridley is a shoe in due to his series importance and even the japanese love him
the question is if sakurai brings in a hunter os DS to "better represent this franchise" (not an exact quote but a meaning quote nonetheless)

f-zero/ earthbound/ yoshi/ wario (1-2 for each)(i put them together since they have similiar reasoning)
all of these reps represents a small franchise in nintendo
the only reasoning for another rep is to either include villains or advertisement
also falcon, ness, and yoshi have been in since 64 so sakurai might think it's due for another rep

third party (1-3)
why? sakurai said so

other nintendo characters(1-?)
we already know of pit so that's one
game and watch and ice climbers might return
other retro characters provide surprise and tieing old with new
finally new series like pikmin and custom robo has a fighting chance (i'm putting great hope on olimar)
the question is when is it too much and are they good enough
only sakurai knows

so that's my rep list
now i sleep and wait for debate

 

[maxpower1227]

Also, this really shouldn't be a list topic. Please don't list what characters should be in. Just list a number or percent or comment on something. This should really be in the character section anyway.

Also, DK and Wario really shouldn't be in the Mario franchise part. DK and Wario only appear with Mario (for the most part) in party games. These really don't count. I count Yoshi in Mario only because he has plenty of appearances in Mario's games other than party games. DK should have his own because of Diddy, etc., and Wario should have his own because he has like 10 of his own games.

- What's wrong with listing the characters? The TC didn't ask for it, but I don't see the problem with including it.

- DK, Yoshi, and Warioware (yeah I forgot about that.. Wario even has his own franchise logo on the Dojo site) are all spinoffs of the Mario universe. That's why I listed them like I did. Yoshi first appeared as a sidekick in SMW, and Wario as a villain in SML2:6GC. DK is a bit trickier, since you could say that Mario is a spinoff of DK, but with the way it
happened I think it's appropriate to label it the other way.

- Lastly, can someone please show me where Sakurai stated that there would only be 2-3 3rd party characters?

 

[NukeA6]

I love how people just make up stuff that Sakurai allegedly said.

Wait, no. I hate that.

What, you don't believe that Sakurai said that there may be one or two more third party characters?

That was quoted when Brawl announced the first newcomers. Were you blind during that time or do hate third party characters so much that you just wanna deny what's true?

 

[Modest_Egoist]

I honestly believe that they are fine with the main four of the mushroom kingdom. only other new plausible addition is toad. I know it's the bread and butter of nintendo, but they should let some of the other franchises shine. Mario has more than enough representation in other games as well as smash. Also, one thing that bothers me is that even though we may get more villains and more female representation, there are franchises mentioned above that can provide both. Whatever the roster ends up being for Brawl, I'll still be happy with it. Speculation is still fun anyway...

 

[susu_atari]

Hey, TC here, and I've noticed something. I think I read somewhere that Sakurai was aiming for a 40-character roster, and we've identified 13 possible games or catagories that can be represented.
I have noticed something, however. Bear in mind I prefer to count DK and Yoshi as Mario characters, simply because they are. They've got spin-off games of their own, but they are essentially characters from the Mario series. (I know DK came first, but don't argue, you know exactly what I'm talking about).
But anyway, back to the point, In each of the previous Smash Bros. games, Mario characters have occupied at least a quarter of the character roster, so it wouldn't surprise me if we got 10 or 11 Mario characters, which is, of course, provided there aren't more characters from different games, which brings me back to the question, can anybody think of any other games that haven't been represented yet?

 

[maxpower1227]

No way in hell are we going to get 10 or 11 Mario characters.

 

[Croco]

Hey, TC here, and I've noticed something. I think I read somewhere that Sakurai was aiming for a 40-character roster, and we've identified 13 possible games or catagories that can be represented.
I have noticed something, however. Bear in mind I prefer to count DK and Yoshi as Mario characters, simply because they are. They've got spin-off games of their own, but they are essentially characters from the Mario series. (I know DK came first, but don't argue, you know exactly what I'm talking about).
But anyway, back to the point, In each of the previous Smash Bros. games, Mario characters have occupied at least a quarter of the character roster, so it wouldn't surprise me if we got 10 or 11 Mario characters, which is, of course, provided there aren't more characters from different games, which brings me back to the question, can anybody think of any other games that haven't been represented yet?

Mario games?

Super Mario Land series..
Not many games on the gameboy have been represented yet.
Wario is sort of representing Super Mario Land 2.. but he is wearing his WarioWare clothes.. which means he is representing WarioWare. Super Land characters? Tatanga.. another villain of Mario which I feel needs to get his day in Brawl. However we may even discover he is the bad guy in Super Mario Galaxy. Now wouldn't that be a shocker? Anyway I feel Super Mario Land and really any gameboy games need to be represented more.

Wrecking Crew..
"Foreman Spike" could make it in.. AT or playable, I wouldn't be surprised if we see him.

Mario & Luigi..
"Fawful" would really be the only choice to support this Mario RPG series.

 

[the grim lizard]

- What's wrong with listing the characters? The TC didn't ask for it, but I don't see the problem with including it.

Because the topic is franchise rep. There is a specific thread in the character section (which this is pushing it not being there) that deals with predictions for a roster. If this isn't going to be a duplicate thread, it should be about franchises and not necessarily the characters within them.

- DK, Yoshi, and Warioware (yeah I forgot about that.. Wario even has his own franchise logo on the Dojo site) are all spinoffs of the Mario universe. That's why I listed them like I did. Yoshi first appeared as a sidekick in SMW, and Wario as a villain in SML2:6GC. DK is a bit trickier, since you could say that Mario is a spinoff of DK, but with the way it
happened I think it's appropriate to label it the other way.

They aren't spinoffs of Mario; they all just show up in his party games, which shouldn't count for anything. And, if you want to get technical, Mario is a spinoff of DK, because it was in his game Donkey Kong that Mario first appeared. And WarioWare isn't a spinoff of anything; so Wario really shouldn't be included either.

 

[MirageofMadness]

This is my breakdown of franchise representation as I PREDICT it to be, not necessarily how I WANT it to be.

purple signifies my additions, as in, any character that isn't yet officially announced, that didn't appear in melee- I am assuming that most melee characters will be returning)

Mario (5)- Mario, Peach, Bowser, Luigi, Toad not really into Toad, but he is highly requested, and he could be a good venue for representing Mario Kart/ Sports/ Party

Yoshi (1)- Yoshi

DK (2)- Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong

Legend Of Zelda (5)- Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Cel-shaded Young Link, Midna,(if not, some other fairly popular character)

Pokemon (4)- Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario (if not another Diam/Pearl rep.)

Wario (1)- Wario

Kirby (3) - Kirby, Metaknight, Dedede

StarFox (3)- Fox, Falco, Krystal- I'm not a big fan of Krystal, but wouldn't be surprised, plus we need more estrogen

Earthbound/Mother (2)- Ness, either Paula or Jeff, or someone like Flint from Mother 3

F-Zero (2)- C. Falcon, Jody Summers since Goroh is an AT, i figure she is a good candidate, Black Shadow seems too... unoriginal?

Metroid (2) - Samus/Zamus, Ridley

Fire Emblem (3)- Marth, Roy, Ike

Vintage Games(5)- Pit, Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, Balloon Fighter,

Animal Crossing- (1) Tom Nook

Advance Wars-(1) Andy

Pikmin-(1) Capt. Olimar

3rd Party (3)- Snake, Sonic (duh), my guess on this third one is either Simon Belmont or Megaman


that makes 43 if I'm not mistaken, which I might be, cuz I'm awful with math. I didn't leave anything out, did I?

 

[Modest_Egoist]

I came to a bit of a realization. We aren't considering the game in its entirety. I do agree with Donkeysmasher to a point. Yes, Mushroom Kingdom will have the most representation, but not the way he thinks. Two words: Assist Trophies. We forgot to factor these bad boys into the franchise representation in Brawl. This is just an opinion...

 

[Instant Barber]

Mario: 7
-Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, DK, Yoshi, Wario

Legend of Zelda: 4-5
-Link, Zelda (no Sheik), Ganondorf, WW Link, someone else?

Metroid: 2-3
-Samus, Ridley. Maybe Dark Samus, but I'm not asking for it.

Retro: 3+
-Pit, Little Mac, Takamaru (not out of love for the game, but because a samurai character is lucrative for a unique moveset). These are the only ones I can think of/care about... Mach Rider maybe? Eh.

F-Zero: 1
-Captain Falcon. F-Zero has terrible character design, this is enough.

Kirby: 3
-Kirby, Metaknight, King DeDeDe

Fire Emblem: 3-4
-Ike, an axe user (Hector seems to be pretty popular), a lance user (? I've only played PoR, I haven't heard of any important lance users). This is based entirely on potential for new movesets. If they give Ike a separate moveset from Marth, I wouldn't mind him, either. The thing is, 4 characters from Fire Emblem is probably pushing it, so Marth is last on my list.

Pokemon: 3-4
-Pikachu, Jigglypuff (ugh, whatever), Mewtwo (just heavier, maybe a little bit faster), and there'll probably be one more. I don't care about Pokemon, just keep their presence on the roster to a bare minimum.

Starfox: 2-3
-Fox, Wolf? (replacing Falco, make him a little less of a clone), Krystal (I don't care about her, but she seems to be a popular choice and a staff wielder might be interesting)

Mother: 1-2
-Ness, someone else (I'm not a fan, but it does need more representation)

Third Party: 2-4
-Snake, plus any combination of the following, in order from most important to least: Sonic, Simon Belmont, Megaman, Final Fantasy rep (Black Mage? Cecil?), Alexandra Roivas (Eternal Darkness was published by Nintendo, but developed by Silicon Knights. They were a Nintendo second party at the time, but now they're with Microsoft. The rights to its characters are in limbo), Bomberman, Leon S. Kennedy, anyone else I cant think of. (Geno... I don't care, sure)

Other: however many fill the roster up to at least 40
-Captain Olimar, Advance Wars rep (never playe it)... not too keen on an Animal Crossing character - same with the Mii idea. Anyone else, doesn't matter to me.

 

[susu_atari]

I'd prefer this thread to remain focused around the playable characters. I assume there's going to be a hell of a lot of assist trophies, and I'm sure we'll see all sorts of goombas, gorons and metroids filling the screen to the brim. I'll wager just about every Nintendo franchise will get represented by them.
I think the chance of seeing ten Mario characters is reasonable, but not likely. I think my guess is probably still eight.
I'll also add a little list of franchises we've thought should get represented but haven't yet:
Pikmin
Animal Crossing
Advance Wars
Also, Golden Sun

 

[maxpower1227]

@ Instant Barber, and others

I just don't see Fire Emblem as being important as warranting more reps than Metroid, Kirby, or Star Fox. I think there will be two reps from Fire Emblem TOPS.

 

[Instant Barber]

@ Instant Barber, and others

I just don't see Fire Emblem as being important as warranting more reps than Metroid, Kirby, or Star Fox. I think there will be two reps from Fire Emblem TOPS.

I agree that FE isn't as important as those series, but like I said, the main reason I posted that many is because I want a lot of unique and interesting movesets - Metroid, Kirby, and Starfox don't have as many characters that can have those applied as easily. It's more what I hope will happen than what I think will happen. Christ be forsaken if Slippy ends up in Brawl.

 

[the grim lizard]

I agree that FE isn't as important as those series, but like I said, the main reason I posted that many is because I want a lot of unique and interesting movesets - Metroid, Kirby, and Starfox don't have as many characters that can have those applied as easily. It's more what I hope will happen than what I think will happen. Christ be forsaken if Slippy ends up in Brawl.

Fire Emblem has a lot of the same type of characters...So, having many different characters doesn't make them more viable. And I can't believe you say that StarFox doesn't have characters...that's the main thing they have going for them. It's the reason they will probably be over-represented in comparison to the popularity of their series, simply because they have the characters for it. Even if you didn't have Slippy...Fox, Falco, Wolf, Krystal...there's four you could have at least who are legit. FE is mostly sword wielders and a few mages.

And characters in Metroid and Kirby would have far more interesting movesets than anyone in FE...the only problem is most of them have little importance to the series as a whole. Take Metroid for example: You have in addition to Samus: Ridley, Dark Samus (completely different from Samus), Rundus, the six Hunters (who all vary a lot from Samus), etc. FE will have at most 3 characters.

And please refrain from taking the Lord's name in vain. Thank you.

 

[Modest_Egoist]

I'd prefer this thread to remain focused around the playable characters. I assume there's going to be a hell of a lot of assist trophies, and I'm sure we'll see all sorts of goombas, gorons and metroids filling the screen to the brim. I'll wager just about every Nintendo franchise will get represented by them.
I think the chance of seeing ten Mario characters is reasonable, but not likely. I think my guess is probably still eight.

I only suggested using ATs because I dont really see more than 5 Mushroom Kingdom playable characters in Brawl. More than five is a bit of a stretch tbh. Mushroom Kingdom has their established representation, let others franchises get a chance to shine....

 

[susu_atari]

In Melee, the Mushroom Kingdom was represented by Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi and Dr. Mario. That's 6 already, and that's if you don't count DK as a Mario character. It's a fool who thinks that Brawl, that is reputed to have almost twice as many characters is going to have less representation from Nintendo's main franchise.

 

[the grim lizard]

In Melee, the Mushroom Kingdom was represented by Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi and Dr. Mario. That's 6 already, and that's if you don't count DK as a Mario character. It's a fool who thinks that Brawl, that is reputed to have almost twice as many characters is going to have less representation from Nintendo's main franchise.

True true. I'm glad someone realizes that. And the same goes for Pokemon and Zelda, too. Zelda had 5, Pokemon had 4...They will each have at least that many, if not more.

 

[Modest_Egoist]

In Melee, the Mushroom Kingdom was represented by Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi and Dr. Mario. That's 6 already, and that's if you don't count DK as a Mario character. It's a fool who thinks that Brawl, that is reputed to have almost twice as many characters is going to have less representation from Nintendo's main franchise.

I don't recall saying that Mushroom Kingdom will not have the most representation. In fact, I said they will have the most. You just call me a fool at your convenience because you refuse to look at the game OVERALL. Playable characters are the main part, that's true, but not the only one.

Yoshi, DK have their own symbols, so that just leave Doc whose a clone of Mario. It's still just Luigi, Bowser, Peach, and Mario as the Melee reps for Mushroom Kingdom.

 

[susu_atari]

I don't recall saying that Mushroom Kingdom will not have the most representation. In fact, I said they will have the most. You just call me a fool at your convenience because you refuse to look at the game OVERALL. Playable characters are the main part, that's true, but not the only one.

Yoshi, DK have their own symbols, so that just leave Doc whose a clone of Mario. It's still just Luigi, Bowser, Peach, and Mario as the Melee reps for Mushroom Kingdom.

My apologies, I have a tendancy to sound more aggressive than I intend an awful lot, which can sometimes get me into trouble. It is not my intention to bicker with you. I had read the post carefully, but I failed to specify that I think that Mario games will have (By percentage of playable characters) the same level of representation they did in SSB64 and SSBM.

 

[Modest_Egoist]

It's alright. No need to apologize. It was just a misunderstanding.