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They were in brawl too but had significantly less lag on them. Not to mention she was terrible in brawl even with the reduced lag on her aerials. Basically, take the good stuff she had in brawl and the good stuff she has in sm4sh with the addition of a store-able phantom and she can be a mid tier character.
- Make changes to Dair so it has some use, having his old one would work or just make it have less end lag on landing. As expected some form of laser harassment, I mean it was our way to get people to us now we have to approach. - Add fire effect to rest and have back throw send people more horizontally and with more power.
If equipment ever becomes tournament viable - smooth landing is probably gonna be used.
At mid percents I'd rather go for Up-Throw for a Bair or Uair follow up, I just want to use it for on stage pressure like in past games.
That's no longer a possibility, but his new fair his great!At mid percents I'd rather go for Up-Throw for a Bair or Uair follow up, I just want to use it for on stage pressure like in past games.
Give her Diddy's UAir and FAir. Seriously, why does Diddy have better aerials than Jiggs?Falcon Punch now comes out on Frame 4. 
Make Arcthunder and Arcfire last longer on hit, making for more combo potential for Robin (Arcfire Arcthunder Arcfire to UAir gg)Fix that stupid Side B crud. Seriously.Make Up-B's sweetspot bigger and make it kill before...y'know, like 150%. Reduced landing lag on all aerials.Make every attack with feet disjointed. Sounds crazy, but Kirby needs it.\\(Not my main) UAir now comes out on Frame 1 and deals 50% damage with triple knockback growth. 
7 midair jumps like Jiggs. 
- Really his only issue imo is that anyone fast and get past his range (i.e almost anyone thats considered "good") can just wait for Shulk to whiff a move and punish it unless Shulk is playing super safe. Once that happens Shulk becomes combo food (depending on the character) since his fastest aerial attacks not actually starting up fast and with the hitbox starting behind him. If I had to buff Shulk without making his good match ups drastically better, I'd have his stabbing attacks (F/Usmash, D/Uair) have a bit more of a lingering hit box. Not at all strong by any means but mostly just as a way to force the speedy characters to have to think a little more when trying to punish. - Have Upperdash/Electroshock arm have more reliable super armor or more KO power. They don't KO till kinda late (Unless you're Dark Pit and also offstage) and they're kinda hard to land. Even with the armor it seems somewhat unreliable as I've been knocked out of the attack and knocked other Pit's out of the attack mid dash or right before the punch hits. Also if it's gonna reflect projectiles, at least reflect them back at that attacker instead of over their heads. The way it they reflect projectiless now I'd rather they just eat the attack and power through it. I would personally like it if D-air could not spike grounded opponents, and if he had comboes or frametraps when landing during mid-fair or nair similar to Ness and Pikachu's fair. Also change their recovery so so it's has one of the following: - Melee-esque Nair or maybe a lower short hop so the new nair and bair can work better as a short hop option. U-smash that properly links 99% of the time (seriously how does it still not do this). Dsmash having better knockback growth. A u-tilt that is either:- Change it so that if bowser suicides with Side-B he dies last. If they're that worried about it being abused they can make it easier for the opponent to manipulate the direction since it already KO's very well on stage.IDK if you actually read the rest of my post, but the point was not all characters can move after their Side B move while in air.*ahem*
Brawl jab that is all.
Are you crazy? Think of the CPUs
-Give him PM's side B. Is already really punishable on block so lets us have the option to cancel it.
-This isnt an exclusive buff for Ike. Make all counters much more powerful ( x3.0 should be enough), using counters is risky so let us be rewarded for taking that risk.
Doesn't he have that?
AH thats true, I forgot about CPUs godlike reactions. Still I just which counters where more of a threat.
Reduce delays in air attacksIncrease the hit box sizes of the gunners attacksMake Side B turning on all custom types less sensitive GIVE HIM BACK THE FALL DELAY IN HIS CAPE THEN THE MARIO SET WE ALL KNOW IN LOVE WILL BE BACKMake it easier to see the shadow sneek shadow easier to see.For peak sake make his stage return moves easier to use Welll uuuuh.........you know what hes perfect for my style of fighting Make it easier to jump off the bike im having troubleIncrease knockbackMake monondo arts much easier to use and same with decrease the delay of attacks
I agree with side b buff, Ike needs it and it makes the character more dynamic, I don't think he should have wall jump capabilities when doing so tho.
-Give him PM's side B. Is already really punishable on block so lets us have the option to cancel it.
-This isnt an exclusive buff for Ike. Make all counters much more powerful ( x3.0 should be enough), using counters is risky so let us be rewarded for taking that risk.
Make Dair the N64 version. Smash 4's is HORRIBLE and TOTALLY USELESS. Not even Rising Dair is that good. More range. MORE knockback plz, also less laggy aerials. Give him his Melee speed and more horizontal speed. Improvement in all kinds of speed.
Revert him to Brawl's Marth and apply the changes to Lucina too. Make Dair reliable, less landing lag on PK Fire (auto-cancel would be awesome) More reliable spike on utilt, bombs explode on contact again, last hit of uair is strong as Shiek's, make Screw Attack kill as early as Zamus up-b, FIX HER GODDAMN MID AIR GRAPPLE oh boy, where do we start? Increased air speed, make his n-air come out faster and last a bit longer, and increase the knockback on his u-smash. Make his throws have more follow-ups. Pikachu doesn't really need many buffs, maybe make his f-smash and thunder kill a little earlier.Keep the lag on his u-smash the same but make it give the same damage/kill at the same time as pre-patch. Buff the windbox on Hydro Pump a bit.Make all his aerials come out faster, increase fall speed
Give Pika's back throw kill potential. Not only would this make him super strong, but it would make his throw mix ups much more reliable, and getting up throw into thunder would be easier (People do not want to DI the back throw wrong after all.) Tough to buff without making him brutally OP. I would probably give ether el thunder, or arch thunder a bit of durability. Against hardcore zoners Robin can struggle, since his only counter zoning tools are archfire (you have to be kinda close) and Thoron.
Not the brawl frame data. You could jab cancel for amazing stuff.
Give ganondorf pro glider and smooth lander, its actually 1:1
Less Aerial Lag and slightly easier sweetspot like it was in Brawl also slightly increased range like he had in Melee/Brawl and side b like it was in melee to help him recover.
Give some of his attacks stretchy limbs, similarly to Diddy Kong, to improve range issues on parts. Increase his air speed a little. Make n-air able to kill earlier (Maybe around the late 90% to earlier 100% range) similarly to how it could in Brawl. Make it so you don't need to jump to properly rise with Cyclone.Idk really. Normal Mario is pretty fine in this game.Make him run a little faster (Maybe on par with Luigi) and make it so the side-b Sheet can stall at least once in the air like it could in Melee.Make f-smash a little less laggy. Not sure what else he could use as he is pretty fine as well.Make d-air and f-smash have less start-up and make him recover faster after you're done shooting lasers.Slightly faster and stronger side-b. Stronger b-air.