Fire Emblem Heroes Mafia - Endgame - MAFIA VICTORY

[Deleted member]

Exactly. And then Apollo survived the Night and a rando died instead and his check went through. And you say Swamp agreed to the idea of being checked? What's the logic here.

To use the check when related to Apollo's own claim, tied with his claim as Ephraim and "Eirika's" death to remove any trace of doubt of innocence.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

To use the check when related to Apollo's own claim, tied with his claim as Ephraim and "Eirika's" death to remove any trace of doubt of innocence.

Yeah I understand, except if Eirika was fabricated with the intent to defy a cop check that the mafia knew was coming... why doesn't it say anything about alignment? They could have just typed whatever bull they wanted to justify it.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If I was mafia wouldn't I stop the cop from checking me somehow?

 

[Wolfie557]

Well, we do have a roleblocker... We could have him block Swamp like how you blocked White

I was ever blocked? How rude.

 

[Pokechu]

I was ever blocked? How rude.

LOL I meant during last game where you aimed to kill her but she blocked you

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah I understand, except if Eirika was fabricated with the intent to defy a cop check that the mafia knew was coming... why doesn't it say anything about alignment? They could have just typed whatever bull they wanted to justify it.

Because why would Eirika need to be justified? It's Ephraim that would.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Because why would Eirika need to be justified? It's Ephraim that would.

Because their roles are supposed to match? Why would they come up with the Eirika and Ephraim idea if the PM of one wasn't going to tell us what they wanted us to believe about the other, still living, player?

 

[Wolfie557]

I’ve been blocking Swamp this game and it hasn’t stopped anything yet. I can do so again toNight. But if we can say that a role PM was forged, then we could just as easily assume the alignment was forged.

The most logical conclusion right now is --- as mafia, but if he ends up not being town, I'll have to be honest that I don't quite get what WhiteEagle is then because they have both made functionally similar claims.



Apollo basically all but admitted to it in the thread. There was a post in particular where he said "Just think that I must have a very good reason for what I'm doing. Think outside the box." And people were discussing the Cop.

I don't know about the Innes flavor thing. Personally I think it's really odd that Apollo's role even mentions the character when it doesn't seem to have anything at all to do with the role, and all the more so if the character isn't even relevant to the game. If ---'s role really is Ryoma and it mentions Xander, I'll be further inclined to think it isn't nothing. Apollo himself ended up rescinding his crusade when Swamp wasn't counter-claimed.

And if Swamp is mafia and was the only one who knew that Apollo was the Cop, or even knew in general, he didn't die or have anything happen to him as far as I know. It all just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Hmm swamp does the same thing as me? So he can kill mafia if mafia and him target the same person?
Lmao wllni did end up with swamp early today before I went to sleep cosnits night for me.

I think Red has been doing all the kills that's why blocking swamp only stopped his personal abilities . Red was town aligned so less likely of dying and therefore leaving mafia with no kills for the night.

Spoilers: I'm not. That said, there are still plenty of users who could be scum if you've been paying attention. Swamp, Shishoe, and WhiteEagle each have difficult to prove roles.

Since the Doctor, Roleblocker, and Jailer are all still alive there is a good chance you'll be able to find something off after Night 4's results come in if not outright prevent the mafia from killing someone. The biggest problem IMO is taking the risk that NSG wasn't scum & Shishoe is telling the truth, in which case numbers may not be on our side.

That's true since it's a really creative specific ability i can only do once but Its been proven when Red died.

There's still a thought in the back of my mind that Swamp is playing us.

Something about Innes' role text doesn't sit well with me.


It kind of gives me the implication that Ephraim isn't a role to begin with.
And honestly, it seems a little too coincidental that the same exact night the Mafia killed "Eirika" that Swamp had been claiming to be Ephraim and looking for her.
....the same Night he agreed to have Apollo check him, which came up with the suspicious result, with Apollo being Innes being an alibi as to why Swamp as "Ephraim" would be considered suspicious.
And then Apollo's sudden mid-night death the following night, when (to my knowledge, any of you feel free to correct me here) only Swamp knew he was the Cop since Night 1.

So unless the Mafia had people that could deduce Apollo was the Cop based on what he said during Day 2 (though to be fair, he had a very bad tell, so it may have been easy to anyone paying attention), Swamp would have known who to strike in the middle of the night.

Unvote: ---
Vote: Swampasaur

Hmmm maybe we should have linked swamp not shiny or ---. But I'm the end I think they would be a target to lynch if there was still a "what if" like now.

Anyways. @--- kill swamp if you can.

 

[Deleted member]

Because their roles are supposed to match? Why would they come up with the Eirika and Ephraim idea if the PM of one wasn't going to tell us what they wanted us to believe about the other, still living, player?

Innes' rivalry is with Ephraim, not with Eirika.

So again, why would EIRIKA need an excuse?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Hmm swamp does the same thing as me?

No, that's what --- is claiming.

 

[Wolfie557]

No, that's what --- is claiming.

Ah my bad. I can see town having 2 that can kill mafia ( or town) as balance for being hard to pull off.

 

[Deleted member]

And then Apollo's sudden mid-night death the following night, when (to my knowledge, any of you feel free to correct me here) only Swamp knew he was the Cop since Night 1.

He told me on the first night because he was paranoid he had signed his death by telling Swamp.

But yeah, Apollo left it pretty clear on Day 2 that he was the Cop, but that's not what killed him, but rather the fact the town would trust him on future checks.

If I was mafia wouldn't I stop the cop from checking me somehow?

Because you didn't think he'd check you, Apollo told me had said he wouldn't waste his check on you but went through after me and Zebei told him to be on the safe side.

And it's pretty clear that the mid-night kill was to stop a check, which was supposed to target you and Holder. A second Suspicious confirmation would have confirmed his suspicions.

Because why would Eirika need to be justified? It's Ephraim that would.

Eirika's role would, in theory, be similar to Ephraim's.
Things like "you can't talk about this role during the day" would be a perfect excuse as to why Z25 didn't say anything on Day 1.

Also, another point of suspicion, Z25 didn't even look for Ephraim on Night 1, despite Zebei being a confirmed Townie. Surely he would have messaged the one person he could trust about this, right?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Innes' rivalry is with Ephraim, not with Eirika.

So again, why would EIRIKA need an excuse?

I don't think you quite understand what you're trying to say here.

You're saying that Eirika didn't exist, it was typed up by the mafia. That means the claim of Ephraim is fake and is comprised of whatever they make up for that.

The pairing is made because uh oh, they know the Cop's identity, and they are going to check their ally Swamp! So instead of killing them, or stopping him, for whatever reason, they come up with a plan to kill someone to make a role that is linked to Swamp so we deduce that their roles operate similar.

So they type up this bogus Eirika role, and woops, they don't say anything about alignment! That means we have NO reason to think Ephraim, Swamp's made-up claim, would come up dirty. The characters aren't a faction of Mimes with Miller passives. They're just plain old townies.

The mafia don't know anything about Innes because this scenario involves them pulling all of this out of their butts.

With this story of Eirika and Ephraim, they could have just simply added: "If Ephraim dies, Eirika is penalized by coming up dirty nasty scum upon checks." So we would then go "Oh, well then that means that Ephraim's role says that if Eirika dies, he comes up dirty."

Or something. But there's a complete lack of anything. In order for the narrative to work it has to match with the entire reason why it's being concocted by the mafia in the first place, but it doesn't.

 

[Pokechu]

Hmm... if we can get three votes on Swamp and Tri, then the last person can just not vote and we can let them both get lynched!

EDIT: shoot i just realized there's 8 of us, it'd have to be four/four

 

[Pokechu]

Eh. I have everything and nothing simultaneously to lose at the same time so, why not.

Unvote: ---
Vote: Swampasaur

 

[praline]

Well I guess we are voting for Swamp next day.

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm... if we can get three votes on Swamp and Tri, then the last person can just not vote and we can let them both get lynched!

EDIT: shoot i just realized there's 8 of us, it'd have to be four/four

Does lynching actually work like that?

Opossum
Answer this, please

Eh. I have everything and nothing simultaneously to lose at the same time so, why not.

Unvote: ---
Vote: Swampasaur

Eh, sure, why not

Unvote: ---
Vote: Swampasaur

 

[Pokechu]

Does lynching actually work like that?

Opossum
Answer this, please

Eh, sure, why not

Unvote: ---
Vote: Swampasaur

if it's literally four four which would mean all of us voted then I don't see how they both wouldn't get lynched

but idk I'm not opossum so

 

[praline]

Or today I guess.

Unvote: - - -
Vote: Swampy

 

[Wolfie557]

Hmm... if we can get three votes on Swamp and Tri, then the last person can just not vote and we can let them both get lynched!

EDIT: shoot i just realized there's 8 of us, it'd have to be four/four

Wait. It would be a tie and then knockout right

 

[Deleted member]

Poor Opossum had all his post typed out but now he'll have to rewrite it to accomodate for last minute valterations again

 

[praline]

Poor Opossum had all his post typed out but now he'll have to rewrite it to accomodate for last minute valterations again

Pour one out for Opossum

 

[Pokechu]

at this point all we need is an extra vote on tri I believe...

Voting for Swamp: Praline, Pokechu, Golden, Shishoe
Voting for ---: Holder, Swamp, White
N/A: ---

So --- hasn't voted, if I unvote then it'd be three on Swamp and three on ---. Then it'd hit tiebreaker when this round ends. I'm assuming --- would vote Swamp and I would vote --- so it would be a complete tie Please cooperate, @--- !

Unvote: Swamp

 

[Wolfie557]

Sorry but if oppo doesn't confirm anything about this recent stuff I will not allow a tie to happen.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think you quite understand what you're trying to say here.

You're saying that Eirika didn't exist, it was typed up by the mafia. That means the claim of Ephraim is fake and is comprised of whatever they make up for that.

The pairing is made because uh oh, they know the Cop's identity, and they are going to check their ally Swamp! So instead of killing them, or stopping him, for whatever reason, they come up with a plan to kill someone to make a role that is linked to Swamp so we deduce that their roles operate similar.

So they type up this bogus Eirika role, and woops, they don't say anything about alignment! That means we have NO reason to think Ephraim, Swamp's made-up claim, would come up dirty. The characters aren't a faction of Mimes with Miller passives. They're just plain old townies.

The mafia don't know anything about Innes because this scenario involves them pulling all of this out of their butts.

With this story of Eirika and Ephraim, they could have just simply added: "If Ephraim dies, Eirika is penalized by coming up dirty nasty scum upon checks." So we would then go "Oh, well then that means that Ephraim's role says that if Eirika dies, he comes up dirty."

Or something. But there's a complete lack of anything. In order for the narrative to work it has to match with the entire reason why it's being concocted by the mafia in the first place, but it doesn't.

Fine. If you're so adamant to defend against my point...

...then I suppose you can give me a logical explanation as to why "Eirika" is literally the ONLY Role PM we've seen other than the Cop's that has no mention of alignment check and why her portrait is ****in' huge compared to everyone else's?
One that doesn't involve there being a Forger?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Well played ---, you didn't have to do anything. When we're given a lot of time to ourselves we fill up the empty space with paranoia and tear each other apart.

 

[Pokechu]

Sorry but if oppo doesn't confirm anything about this recent stuff I will not allow a tie to happen.

I think Opossum has confirmed how this would work! A tie happened in day 2 with Swamp Praline and RamOne and he said that if there was a tie again then both would get lynched.

 

[praline]

Well played ---, you didn't have to do anything. When we're given a lot of time to ourselves we fill up the empty space with paranoia and tear each other apart.

Well if it ends in a tie he’s still dead. lol

 

[Wolfie557]

Welp....I said not to worry until day ends......

Unvote: Tri

I think Opossum has confirmed how this would work! A tie happened in day 2 with Swamp Praline and RamOne and he said that if there was a tie again then both would get lynched.

What how and where. Go find this and link the post if you want me to aim for a tie.

Vote:Shishoe

 

[Pokechu]

Welp....I said not to worry until day ends......

Unvote: Tri

What how and where. Go find this and link the post if you want me to aim for a tie.

Vote:Shishoe

Okay folks, here's how it's going down. Today, due to somebody sending us into Maintenance Mode, there was a three way tie for the lynch today.

We now enter a one-hour tiebreaker phase. Your options for lynching include praline , Swamp Sensei , and @RamOne. Each of these players received two votes during the Day Phase.

Votes for Praline: Holder and ---
Votes for Swamp: Pokechu and Apollo
Votes for RamOne: WhiteEagle and Shiny

Holder, ---, Pokechu, Apollo, WhiteEagle and Shiny may not change their votes.

ADDITIONALLY, only these three (praline, Swamp, and RamOne) are eligible to be voted for.

FURTHER, once a vote is placed, it cannot be removed. Choose carefully.

IF A TIE is still present at the end of the tiebreaker phase, all players tied for first place will be executed.

With that, good luck.
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@Shishœ @RamOne @Zebei @Aurane Swamp Sensei @redfeatherraven @GoldenYuiitusin @NonSpecificGuy praline

If your tag is below the squiggly line made of tildes, you may vote for one of your three eligible bachelorettes lynch-ees.

Here it is!

 

[Deleted member]

Vote:Shishoe

My first vote in the entire game, thanks!

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Fine. If you're so adamant to defend against my point...

...then I suppose you can give me a logical explanation as to why "Eirika" is literally the ONLY Role PM we've seen other than the Cop's that has no mention of alignment check and why her portrait is ****in' huge compared to everyone else's?
One that doesn't involve there being a Forger?

Well then nothing makes sense man.

Fine, if they both die, then whatever.

But if they're both town, after they kill someone during the upcoming Night, that means we lose.

 

[praline]

5 minutes left. Time to get the popcorn,

 

[Wolfie557]

Here it is!

This assumes noone has a lynch modifying ability and that the same tiebreaker thing can happen outside of maintenance. And also that there can be another tie in the tie breaker.

 

[Pokechu]

This assumes noone has a lynch modifying ability and that the same tiebreaker thing can happen outside of maintenance. And also that there can be another tie in the tie breaker.

It says it right there, that's the tiebreaker and if there's a tie both people die. If you don't cooperate then Swamp will die and if --- is mafia then he gets a free night.

Voting for Swamp: Praline, Golden, Shishoe
Voting for ---: Holder, Swamp, White
N/A: ---, Pokechu

EDITED to reflect

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I leave for ten minutes and now the world wants me.

Well ****.

Ya'll were REALLY freaking stupid for letting me live this long.

But if you thought this was over...

Think again.

Last night we mafia members made a little adjustment to one of your alignments.

Ya'll ever heard about recruitment?

As of right now, there are actually three mafia members (two with my death).

Not one like you guys thought.

Sure you bought a day, but full disclosure, I think we already won.

See ya in the role PM suckers.

Also Erika is really hard to spell.

 

[Opossum]

WAIT HOLD UP I NEED TO RECOUNT/POSSIBLY REWRITE THE PHASE SHIFT NOW.


GIVE ME A MOMENT. OKAY MAYBE MORE LIKE A HALF HOUR TOPS.

 

[Wolfie557]

Well then nothing makes sense man.

Fine, if they both die, then whatever.

But if they're both town, after they kill someone during the upcoming Night, that means we lose.

Welp...we still have you to protect someone..

Unvote Shishoe
Vote ---

Inb4 --- doesn't let a tie

Edit It is was 00:59.plus deleted a post cos doubleso I can edit in only to find out people posted -.- Holder I know you told me not to do last minute vote changes but yh this is an exception

 

[Pokechu]

I leave for ten minutes and now the world wants me.

Well ****.

Ya'll were REALLY freaking stupid for letting me live this long.

But if you thought this was over...

Think again.

Last night we mafia members made a little adjustment to one of your alignments.

Ya'll ever heard about recruitment?

As of right now, there are actually three mafia members (two with my death).

Not one like you guys thought.

Sure you bought a day, but full disclosure, I think we already won.

See ya in the role PM suckers.

Also Erika is really hard to spell.

oh my god

 

[praline]

WAIT HOLD UP I NEED TO RECOUNT/POSSIBLY REWRITE THE PHASE SHIFT NOW.


GIVE ME A MOMENT. OKAY MAYBE MORE LIKE A HALF HOUR TOPS.

There’s 3 votes for - - - and Swampasaur.