Finnish Tournament in Espoo (near Helsinki), 9-11th of October! (UPDATED INFO!!) ~

[Samochan]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8157462&postcount=14

Tournament confirmed!!

So I'm doing a survey and see how many would like the prospect of coming to finland in an either under 100 man international or scandinavian tournament. As you know, finland has yet to host any bigger tournament with any foreigners (cept ajp and yuna once), but we are hoping this would change if people were interested in coming.


Where:

The best places for finnish international tourney would be in either helsinki or tampere. Tampere is in southern region of finland and best of all, has ryanair airport which fly to london standsted, bremen, frankfurt-hahn, dublin, riga and milan (bergamo). Tampere is also closer to the middle finland which would enable us finns to travel for cheaper price.

Helsinki on the other hand has more smashers willing to host than Tampere and I've heard one can rent conference rooms for couple hundred euros for the weekend and they would include at least the fridge, most likely tables and chairs too. Helsinki is also the main city in finland, in southern edge and thus closer to the other scandinavian countries and easier to access via flight or boat from them.



How:

As said earlier, tampere has ryanair airport and tampere itself is around 200km away from helsinki. It would be possible to arrange some car rides from there to helsinki, but train would cost 22,20-28,40€ one way, depending which type of train you take. Groups of 3-8 persons get 15% discount and younger people at the age of 6-16 get it for 50%.

For swedish, it would be possible to take the boat and then drive to helsinki/tampere via car.

Ryanair generaly from aforementioned locations costs around 5-35€ cheapest, flying to finland via normal airplanes companies like finnair or blue1 is quite expensive so ryanair would be preferable.



Why:

Obviously, one of the reason is because we haven't held an international tournament yet. European wide tourney in finland would bring much needed experience and closure to the obscure finnish smash scene. Finland is awesome place in general (though expensive, including the foodz), lots of trees and lakes, "exotic" finnish food >:D, Särkänniemi amusement park in tampere...

Most of the finns know english fairly well, some other languages like swedish too. There is a possibility of bribing wmk to be our walking translating jukebox, so there would be hardly any language barriers. I dunno how many languages this guy knows, but we'll find out. ;p

The finnish community is very diverse in both personality and skill levels and thus no one is ever bored in our tournaments. We laugh, we play, we sleep in tents outside at summer (oh wait, we don't sleep in tourneys lol), we group order kebab and pizza, we have the most ridiculous freeplay tournaments, we play melee (yes!!) and support brawl somewhat, we have awesome finnish smash vocabulary, etc. etc.

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So, what reason there is to NOT come?

I'd like to hear some thoughts and those possibly interested in this. :3

 

[Ryuker]

Always interested. Main things preventing me and probably the other dutchies from going is a inconvenient date, expensive tickets and overall combined just a very expensive trip.

Level of competition obviously matters aswell but it's not much of an issue if the above aren't an issue.

 

[Samochan]

Always interested. Main things preventing me and probably the other dutchies from going is a inconvenient date, expensive tickets and overall combined just a very expensive trip.

Level of competition obviously matters aswell but it's not much of an issue if the above aren't an issue.

It would most likely be kinda tough/expensive for dutches to attend, cause flying here is expensive without using the cheap airline ryanair and the closest connection between netherlands and finland would be trough bremen airport. Dunno if bremen connects to some dutch city, which would be then a lot easier, but I can imagine the dates and times would need quite a load of fiddling and tweaking to get a good and cheap flight date. But hey, hopefully we can manage to secure a good date and a car ride to helsinki (if held there) so you guys can show up too. :3

Level of competition in finland is not quite up to par with the dutch skill level ^^;; , but I'm hoping our neighbours will show up, namely armada and other swedish (armada is interested, so is fuzzyness), so it wouldn't be quite a walk in the park for the dutches either. And finnish people always manage to suprise in one way or another.

 

[Askeflink]

You guys certainly have some skills imo! I've never been to Finland, would be fun.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

I'd love to come to Scandinavia.


Make it Finland so the Russians can come.

 

[Samochan]

I'd love to come to Scandinavia.


Make it Finland so the Russians can come.

Technically, finland is not part of scandinavia ( D: ), but northern countries. I still recall when someone corrected this deep rooted notion and I had to wikipedia it and found I was wrong.

Anyways, I'm hoping the southern players can get the venue, equipment and possible transportations set with little prompting, while I do the "pr-job" and possibly help in the tourney management.

 

[stelzig]

Technically, finland is not part of scandinavia ( D: ), but northern countries. I still recall when someone corrected this deep rooted notion and I had to wikipedia it and found I was wrong.

That was me lol. ^x^
Everyone in Denmark get taught the difference between scandinavian and nordic countries very early (at least i think so... Well i did <_<) , but it seems everyone else, including the other nordic countries don't heh.

I'd definetly be interested if it's not too expensive and i'd be able to bring other danes with me (which i probably would be, but let's see what they think about TSL first )

On a sidenote we're still thinking about doing something similar in Denmark, despite our skill level being relatively low, hoping that our location will be able to attract players from the big smash countries

 

[Samochan]

On a sidenote we're still thinking about doing something similar in Denmark, despite our skill level being relatively low, hoping that our location will be able to attract players from the big smash countries

If it's close to capital, why not?

But as you guys are relatively new on this european smash scene, you need to be certain your tourney hosts have what it takes to host a big tourney. Other more experienced hosts are always willing to help, but one needs to always have own country experienced hoster. If not, get some experience by hosting many smaller tourneys, big tourneys are always real hectic and if everything is not in order, it'll quickly deteoriate and blood pressure rises and headaches come.

 

[stelzig]

I most likely wouldn't be in charge of much if it happened nor do i think it'll happen any time soon. But thanks for the advice i'll make sure that we get a topic up here in good time and ask for help when the time comes

 

[DarkUsleon]

Depending on the date I would surely attend

 

[Samochan]

Depending on the date I would surely attend

Yauhz, excellent :3

 

[Aniolas]

Technically, finland is not part of scandinavia ( D: ), but northern countries. I still recall when someone corrected this deep rooted notion and I had to wikipedia it and found I was wrong.

Anyways, I'm hoping the southern players can get the venue, equipment and possible transportations set with little prompting, while I do the "pr-job" and possibly help in the tourney management.

Nahh, Finland doesn't exist, you're a part of Sweden.
So Scandinavia is all the nordic countries except Iceland.

 

[VilNess]

Nahh, Finland doesn't exist, you're a part of Sweden.
So Scandinavia is all the nordic countries except Iceland.

In that case sweden wasn´t really interested helping their own during 1939-1945.

oh btw. Ei saa peittää.

 

[Samochan]

Okay so... a date for finnish tournament is confirmed and I'd like to hear whether some foreigners wanna attend. :3

So the date is gonna be 9-11th of October and will be held in Espoo, next to Helsinki which is the capital and thusly should be affordable (hopefully). Neutroni will be our host, Vilness will drive and pick up stuff, Laatikko will hold Brawl singles, Ltax will hold the possible poker tournament (keke) and I shall be your contact person. You can find my msn and aim from my info.

http://foorumi.nintendo.fi/index.php?topic=5373.0

It's finnish, but I translate some.

How to get there on 9-11th of October:

For buss, use number 132 which leaves from Helsinki's buss station (linja-autoasema) buss platform number 49. You will find if when you simply walk straight from the main door of the buss station (which is a mall as well) till you get to the buss platforms. It'll cost 3,60€ or so, cause it goes outside Helsinki. The buss driver will most likely know english a bit, so ask if you need to, the ticket is called seutu-lippu. On the buss trip, you will encounter Siwa named grocery store on your left side with big blue letters and a buss stop on your right. After that, you pass by one buss stop and then get out on the next. You are now 300 metres from the tournament place. Now you can either

a) walk straight ahead to a T-cross and then turn left, and again left from the next and you will arrive to an old hotell.
b) backtrack a little bit till you see a road named Matinlahdenkatu on your right side. Walk straight ahead till you see an old hotell.

The club room is on the same building as the hotell is.

http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn138/SamWiiChan/?action=view&current=kellarismashkartta.gif
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn138/SamWiiChan/?action=view&current=helsinkikeskusta.gif
http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn138/SamWiiChan/?action=view&current=yleiskuva.gif

Translations:

Turnauspaikka = Tournament place
Bussipysäkki = Buss stop
Kauppa = Grocery store/shop
Linja-autoasema = Buss station
Rautatieasema = Railway station
Yleiskuva = Overview

Rules and stuff:


You will need your own controller ofc and something you can sleep on, not too many couches available. We will have a fridge, michrowave and some one time usage eating equipment. We'll have underage people there, so that means no alchohol and no weed (finns are strict when it comes to this, don't tempt your luck). If you need to smoke cigarets, do it outside. Do not nick other people's stuff or food, it's annoying and mean. Be nice to others and do not make a mess, neutroni needs to clean it up and last time someone had left a really fancy dried blob of something on the floor and he spent hours scrubbing it clean. Not fun.

Timetable is not absolute, but doors open at 4 pm and we'll have brawl singles on friday at 7 pm, then melee singles pools and brackets starting at 11-12 am on saturday and melee doubles after that, with breaks there and there. On sunday there'll be a low tier singles tournament, freeplay and cleanups and at 6 pm tournament will close.

If neutroni gets the second room, there will be room for 70 people, but I doubt we can accomodate that many due to low amount of televisions and other equipment. We could afford 40-50 or so, I'm guessing, depending how many tv's we can get. I'm fairly certain some swedish people will attend, namely ajp anton and he might bring people with him, like Armada whom has showed interest. Payment has not yet been decided, but tourney will prolly be around 2-4€ for gasoline etc., melee singles and doubles will be 5-10€ and brawl 2€.

Contact me or neutroni if you need more information in things and/or how to get there. If people wanna show up via airplane, we shall provide some maps and directions how to get around.



Brawl rules:

- 3 stock
- 8 minutes
- Items Off and None
- All sets with the exception of winner's finals (Bo5), loser's finals(Bo5), and the championship (Bo7) are best of 3 matches
- In the event of a dispute, controller ports will be selected by Rock-Paper-Scissors
- No player may choose a stage they have already won on in that set
- If the timer runs out, the victor is determined first by stock and then by percentage.
- Metaknight's Infinite Cape glitch is banned.
- If a game ends with Bowser doing his suicide klaw and it ends in sudden death, the sudden death will be ignored and that game will count as a win for Bowser.
- Stalling is banned
- First match is played on random from the neutral stages unless both players agree to a stage. After this match the loser chooses a map, then the winner picks a character and then loser picks a character.
- Double blind pick may be used
- Stage banning: Both players may ban one stage from the whole stage listing
- Stage reset: Player may reset a stage on the randomised first match of the set once and randomize anew, unless the set is Bo7 or more in which case reset may be used twice in a set. (not certain what this means lol)
- MLG justice rule: If players have already faced in the bracket and face again, the winning player gets advantage on this set. It will begin from the same situation the last set ended (example: 2-0) and the played set will enlarge as follows: if the last set was Bo3, then this current set will enlarge from Bo5 to Bo7, from Bo7 to Bo9. If the last set was Bo5 then it'll enlarge from Bo7 to Bo11.

Neutrals:

-Battlefield
-Final Destination
-Smashville
-Yoshi's Island (Brawl)

Counterpicks:

-Castle Siege
-Halberd
-Lylat Cruise
-Pokémon Stadium 1
-Brinstar
-Delfino Plaza
-Frigate Orpheon
-Jungle Japes
-Pictochat
-Rainbow Cruise


List of Players:

1.Neutroni
2.Vilness
3.Ltax
4.Laatikko
5.Rampe
6.NamiNami
7.Nipi
8.Eebrozgi
9.Salevits
10.SNap
11.Jaxi
12.Saska
13.Frozen
14.RTpmwe
15.Qtio
16.Mayhem
17.Worm
18.Samochan
19.L1M3
20.Lanttu
21.Goodbye
22.zÄp
23.Omega
24.Peki
25.Kalzu
26.AJP
27.Ijuka
28.Zlazher
29.Eboshi
30.bËst
31.Udikku
32.Panu
33.Rubi

 

[Pep1to]

For brawl its just singles and 2 euros/ person? Lol?
cant u guys consider making doubles available and a fee like the melee fee?
cause im interested for sure cause i live in sweden, but if u guys decide to make it just melee (well with brawl singles and a 2 euro fee) it would be kinda dumb for me to travel.

 

[Samochan]

For brawl its just singles and 2 euros/ person? Lol?
cant u guys consider making doubles available and a fee like the melee fee?
cause im interested for sure cause i live in sweden, but if u guys decide to make it just melee (well with brawl singles and a 2 euro fee) it would be kinda dumb for me to travel.

I'm sorry to say this, but finns don't really support brawl. Only selected few play it for real and we don't have that much time for many brawl tourneys, last tourney it was doubles and now we're gonna do singles cause laatikko wants it. The skill of the competitors in general is not that good either (we play melee), though laatikko got 9th on smack. But yea, finns are all about melee and the tournament structure is not gonna change. :/

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm sorry to say this, but finns don't really support brawl. Only selected few play it for real and we don't have that much time for many brawl tourneys, last tourney it was doubles and now we're gonna do singles cause laatikko wants it. The skill of the competitors in general is not that good either (we play melee), though laatikko got 9th on smack. But yea, finns are all about melee and the tournament structure is not gonna change. :/

I said that many times but if this is the case then you should make it Melee only. If you want to attract Brawl players then you SHOULD have reasonable entry fees and a fair treatmaent (honestly, I doubt that it will be really fair considering the Melee/Brawl situation in Finland). Why would anybody, who cares about Brawl even CONSIDER traveling all the way to Finland if you have only one Brawl event and a pretty cheap one at that? If you don't feel like having 2 Brawl events with a decent fee that's fine - you don't have to host Brawl if you don't feel like it. But one half-***** event won't attract players. Would YOU travel to a Brawl tournament that has only one Melee event with a mere 2 €? I doubt it.

tl;dr host Brawl seriously without "buts" and "ifs" or don't host it at all. Everything else doesn't make sense imo

 

[Kone]

You arent going to be able to attract many foreigners outside of scandinavia. Dates poor and venue capacity is small :/.

Does this thread belong here?

(not being rude to samo )

 

[Samochan]

I said that many times but if this is the case then you should make it Melee only. If you want to attract Brawl players then you SHOULD have reasonable entry fees and a fair treatmaent (honestly, I doubt that it will be really fair considering the Melee/Brawl situation in Finland). Why would anybody, who cares about Brawl even CONSIDER traveling all the way to Finland if you have only one Brawl event and a pretty cheap one at that? If you don't feel like having 2 Brawl events with a decent fee that's fine - you don't have to host Brawl if you don't feel like it. But one half-***** event won't attract players. Would YOU travel to a Brawl tournament that has only one Melee event with a mere 2 €? I doubt it.

tl;dr host Brawl seriously without "buts" and "ifs" or don't host it at all. Everything else doesn't make sense imo

Who said our focus is to attract foreign brawl players at all? So we're not losing much here with only hosting one brawl even with low entry fee. Brawl is there to give some finnish brawlers their thing and also supporting that game somewhat, even if majority don't play it and some even dislike it here. It's not too smart to have many brawl events and high entry fee if only a handful play it seriously (talking about 5-10 people here) and basically waste time as people don't want to participate to an event with high cost but minimal entertainment value, thusly destroying the idea of a tournament from the rest who'd like to compete on it. Besides not everything needs to be super serious, competition is only the half of it and rest is fun. =)

Kone, I know this and most likely we don't get more than some swedes here (being realistic), but it never hurts to advertise a bit, because people have showed some interest. :3 And thread belongs here yes, were else?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If attracting foreigners isn't important to you then it should be fine. I was just wondering because this thread actually started as a "survey" about people being interested...so I assumed that you wanted it to be international.

 

[Samochan]

If attracting foreigners isn't important to you then it should be fine. I was just wondering because this thread actually started as a "survey" about people being interested...so I assumed that you wanted it to be international.

You're missing the point here. <_< Our focus is not to attract brawl players because our focus on tournament will be on melee and the only really notable brawlers near enough are some swedes like armada, most of the european brawl scene is way too far away for smaller tourney such as this and the finns really don't care much about hosting brawl tournaments, thus attracting foreigner brawlers is not our focus but arrival of some melee players from close by wouldn't go amiss. Great number of melee players play melee alone. International doesn't mean both games are needed to be focused on equally either. I also said on my first post that we play melee and support brawl somewhat, so there shouldn't have been any misunderstandings of the purpose of this tournament in the first place. <_<

 

[Kone]

It belongs in Regional Discussion; "The place for social talk and small events that aren't catered towards an international audience" and/or the seperate scandinivian boards. UK tournaments and the Dutch tournaments are posted there. I think you only get shifted or should remain on this area if it is getting international recognition (think zest 4, tsl etc) though to be honest i dont really care and im just being awkward as im bored at work lol U_U'.

 

[Samochan]

For a first take at trying to go even somewhat international, isn't this the place to be then? Besides, I did ask one mod friend of mine if I recall correctly and it should get some more viewers here. If it were finnish only tourney with no possible foreigner attendance permitted, I wouldn't have advertised here in the first place as we have our own forum we frequent a lot more often.

If the mods feel this is in wrong place however, feel free to move this then.

 

[Askeflink]

It belongs in Regional Discussion; "The place for social talk and small events that aren't catered towards an international audience" and/or the seperate scandinivian boards. UK tournaments and the Dutch tournaments are posted there. I think you only get shifted or should remain on this area if it is getting international recognition (think zest 4, tsl etc) though to be honest i dont really care and im just being awkward as im bored at work lol U_U'.

How do you suppose other Nordic players would locate this tournament, if it was stuck in a Finnish thread? If Germany would try to attract players from around in central Europe, they would not keep it in the German boards.

 

[bËst^]

Just bring it on everyone and give Finland a chanve to show what we've got

 

[VilNess]

Our level has rose since Smack tournament IMO. Some of us are really worthy opponents.

Yeap, Brawl is for extra. Our idea is not to attract brawl players only, it would be very misleading. The brawl tourney is for melee players who don´t mind playing brawl also.

Also, be prepared for the random captain falcon ( AKA muikku) team tournament. Your teampartner is random and the only stage allowed is Hyrule. This has proven to be, again and again, really entertaining!

 

[bËst^]

All though this whole speak about Finland lagging skills makes me laugh. That may have been so few years ago but its amazing what can happen during those years. I'm not saying that we are even close the top10 of europe but We will certainly give nice challenge to everyone.

Let's take a look on what we have:

We have two players those have prove to be skillful opponents: Peki and Neutroni. Neutroni has done well in europe and Peki is simply just better than neutroni.
We Have Samochan, The best female Smasher in Europe as far as I know also one of the best peaches (not close to armada though...)
We Have some Character "champions" (speaking of maining that character) as we have Vilness with luigi and Ness (low Tier ftw)
Also I think I could be, if not the best, at least one of the best IceClimber players in europe. Haven't been any tourneys since Rox4 but there I got good feedpack about my play and I thinki my skilllevel has only grown since Rox4.

And we also have many ideas to make tourneys even funnier when we try all kind of new tourney methods. Like those random teams C falcon tourneys on Hyrule via Items :D

This trys to be some kind of promotion speech for Finland thats main idea is to tell you guys that coming in Finland is worth of experience and it will be anything but boring tourney =)

( I'm not quite sure though, am I able to get on tourney myself =(... )

 

[Samochan]

We're deciding the melee ruleset as we speak, but brawl is about settled. Most likely brawl will cost 2€, but not quite confirmed yet.

Brawl rules:

- 3 stock
- 8 minutes
- Items Off and None
- All sets with the exception of winner's finals (Bo5), loser's finals(Bo5), and the championship (Bo7) are best of 3 matches
- In the event of a dispute, controller ports will be selected by Rock-Paper-Scissors
- No player may choose a stage they have already won on in that set
- If the timer runs out, the victor is determined first by stock and then by percentage.
- Metaknight's Infinite Cape glitch is banned.
- If a game ends with Bowser doing his suicide klaw and it ends in sudden death, the sudden death will be ignored and that game will count as a win for Bowser.
- Stalling is banned
- First match is played on random from the neutral stages unless both players agree to a stage. After this match the loser chooses a map, then the winner picks a character and then loser picks a character.
- Double blind pick may be used
- Stage banning: Both players may ban one stage from the whole stage listing
- Stage reset: Player may reset a stage on the randomised first match of the set once and randomize anew, unless the set is Bo7 or more in which case reset may be used twice in a set. (not certain what this means lol)
- MLG justice rule: If players have already faced in the bracket and face again, the winning player gets advantage on this set. It will begin from the same situation the last set ended (example: 2-0) and the played set will enlarge as follows: if the last set was Bo3, then this current set will enlarge from Bo5 to Bo7, from Bo7 to Bo9. If the last set was Bo5 then it'll enlarge from Bo7 to Bo11.

Neutrals:

-Battlefield
-Final Destination
-Smashville
-Yoshi's Island (Brawl)

Counterpicks:

-Castle Siege
-Halberd
-Lylat Cruise
-Pokémon Stadium 1
-Brinstar
-Delfino Plaza
-Frigate Orpheon
-Jungle Japes
-Pictochat
-Rainbow Cruise


Current list of Players:

1.Neutroni
2.Vilness
3.Ltax
4.Laatikko
5.Rampe
6.NamiNami
7.Nipi
8.Eebrozgi
9.Salevits
10.SNap
11.Jaxi
12.Saska
13.Frozen
14.RTpmwe
15.Qtio
16.Mayhem
17.Worm
18.Samochan
19.L1M3
20.Lanttu
21.Goodbye
22.zÄp
23.Omega
24.Peki
25.Kalzu
26.AJP
27.Ijuka
28.Zlazher
29.Eboshi
30.bËst
31.Udikku
32.Panu
33.Rubi

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

If only Russians were not so lazy.

 

[stelzig]

NamiNami, eh? I've played that guy in mariokart before =p
Don't think i can make this though

 

[Samochan]

NamiNami, eh? I've played that guy in mariokart before =p
Don't think i can make this though

Heh, no problem.

We have a respectable 42 people coming, which breaks our finnish tournament record even without swedish included. ^_^