Falcon Punching after A Falcon Dive: lolmindgamez?

[i.E.]

The last couple weeks playing friendlies and going to a few small tournaments in the NoVa region, i couldn't help but notice that...at mid percents...people tend to DI back towards you after falcon diving them.

After noticing this I tried throwing out a falcon punch as soon as the dive connected, and fairly often the opponent (already DIing towards me) air dodged too early and got punished, or ended up spacing themselves wrong and in turn...got paunched.

Anyone else try this out?

 

[talkingbeatles]

I can't see how this could work. The lag off your kick is tremendous.

 

[i.E.]

I can't see how this could work. The lag off your kick is tremendous.

There's no lag....after dive (up b) connects you're free to do whatever aerial you want, including an aerial falcon punch.

 

[Roager]

That's kinda cool, but it'll only work once or twice. People learn.

 

[Wogrim]

The people who try to punish a Falcon Punch before it happens don't scare me at all, since I usually have it spaced so they'll get hit. It's the ones that actually know the timing and dodge it so they can punish you in the ending lag that will kill you. Or they jump over it sometimes if they have the time and are afraid of timing the dodge wrong.

 

[legion598]

maybe after u-airing them u use second jump past them and do a reverse falcon pawnch! the captain can be quite tricky

 

[DoB04]

lol after watching a match, i absorbed a mind game that is quite handy, simply run towards them, tilt back , immediately sh, b. Falcon will jump with his back towards the opponent and paunch in the direction he jumped from.... why is this usefull? well some people tend to try and roll towards your back to punish slow moves, and the paunch is no exeption.... while doing this, they think you are going to sh paunch them, but when they notice that you're facing backwards, it's too late., they have already rolled xD
i did this against a dude online, he was diddy, and we were both down to our last stocks and with about 120% or more, none of us would land kill moves so i was like, it's now or never, PAUNCHHHH! :3

 

[Wogrim]

lol after watching a match, i absorbed a mind game that is quite handy, simply run towards them, tilt back , immediately sh, b. Falcon will jump with his back towards the opponent and paunch in the direction he jumped from.... why is this usefull? well some people tend to try and roll towards your back to punish slow moves, and the paunch is no exeption.... while doing this, they think you are going to sh paunch them, but when they notice that you're facing backwards, it's too late., they have already rolled xD
i did this against a dude online, he was diddy, and we were both down to our last stocks and with about 120% or more, none of us would land kill moves so i was like, it's now or never, PAUNCHHHH! :3

In my experience, people never roll backwards when you Falcon Punch because they are afraid of the reversed one. 360 Punch is more useful, because if they didn't notice it's a 360 punch they can spot dodge too early since the reversed punch has a longer windup.

 

[i.E.]

In my experience, people never roll backwards when you Falcon Punch because they are afraid of the reversed one. 360 Punch is more useful, because if they didn't notice it's a 360 punch they can spot dodge too early since the reversed punch has a longer windup.

I actually had a question....I tried doing that for a little bit today (360 falcon punching), and I couldn't figure out how to do the full spin. Is it as easy as it should be? Like press B>>>turn control stick left>>>turn control stick right?

 

[Crzy]

Wait....Falcon has a 360 PAWNCH? O_O

I only knew of Ganon's and that's a move I've never been able to pull off. :/

 

[Mario_ 101]

^

yes, 360 punch is stronger than regular, but takes a little longer to hit. To do it, press the special button, then smash the control stick in the opposite direction while he's charging up.

 

[Crzy]

Are there any vids of this because I've personally never seen it with Falcon.

 

[DoB04]

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yes, 360 punch is stronger than regular, but takes a little longer to hit. To do it, press the special button, then smash the control stick in the opposite direction while he's charging up.

thats a 180, a 360 would be rotating in a full circle and punching back at the starting position, which to my knowledge can't be done.

@Wogrim, yeah that is true, but if you short hop falcon punch, then they wont expect a 180 punch, i mean its pretty dumb if you run towards your opponent and short hop reverse falcon punch, cuz it takes a long time for falcon to turn, so he'll land before the punch is released, but if you do it like i posted, it should be fast and unpredictable

 

[Wogrim]

I actually had a question....I tried doing that for a little bit today (360 falcon punching), and I couldn't figure out how to do the full spin. Is it as easy as it should be? Like press B>>>turn control stick left>>>turn control stick right?

360 Punch has to be done by running, turning around, and jumping right away (that whole part is called Reverse Aerial Rush or RAR because you are now flying towards your opponent facing backwards) then doing a reverse Falcon Punch, so that you end up facing forwards again.

In other words, if going from left to right, dash right, pivot(tap left), jump quickly, hold right a bit if needed, do a Falcon Punch, reverse it right away by holding right again right after you hit B.

You can also do it by just doing a B reversal in air (run forward, jump, flick back, B, reverse the punch by flicking forward again) but doing a B reversal will be slower that RARing it.

I supposed if you RAR, B reversal, then reverse the punch you could do a 540 punch, but I've never seen one done and havn't tried it.

thats a 180, a 360 would be rotating in a full circle and punching back at the starting position, which to my knowledge can't be done.

@Wogrim, yeah that is true, but if you short hop falcon punch, then they wont expect a 180 punch, i mean its pretty dumb if you run towards your opponent and short hop reverse falcon punch, cuz it takes a long time for falcon to turn, so he'll land before the punch is released, but if you do it like i posted, it should be fast and unpredictable

I still don't see people rolling unless they roll before they realize it's a Falcon Punch instead of a Knee or something.

 

[thecarnitarian]

I prefer the 180 aerial punch. True, you are facing away from your opponent, but you get such good DI after reversing that you can place the punch exactly where you need it.

 

[Ace55]

As far as I know Ganon's 360 punch (I'm sure actually because I use it, mostly for recovery) is nothing more that a reversed B move (in the air you press the other direction, then use B, you must have known about it) followed by a reverse punch.

So when in the air facing right, tap left on the control stick, press B, press right on the control stick to reverse it and there you have it folks, a 360 falcon/warlock punch.

You guys did know about reverse b moves right, because you should have.

 

[Wogrim]

As far as I know Ganon's 360 punch (I'm sure actually because I use it, mostly for recovery) is nothing more that a reversed B move (in the air you press the other direction, then use B, you must have known about it) followed by a reverse punch.

So when in the air facing right, tap left on the control stick, press B, press right on the control stick to reverse it and there you have it folks, a 360 falcon/warlock punch.

You guys did know about reverse b moves right, because you should have.

My post didn't describe it well enough?

 

[Mario_ 101]

thats a 180, a 360 would be rotating in a full circle and punching back at the starting position, which to my knowledge can't be done.

My bad, wasn't paying attention, but honestly, usually the only people who get hit by Falcon Punches are n00bs unless you do some complex combo or something to set em up.

 

[Wogrim]

thats a 180, a 360 would be rotating in a full circle and punching back at the starting position, which to my knowledge can't be done.

I should probably clarify the fact that once you start a Falcon Punch you can only reverse it once, so for a 360 punch or a 540 punch you have to do the extra turns before you press B.

 

[Ace55]

My post didn't describe it well enough?

Somehow I missed that part. The RAR 540 punch sound pretty sexy though. Didn't think about that one yet.

Did anyone try the 360 punch from a ledgejump (not hop, just jump on the ledge). With Ganon you fly forwards quite a bit but the punch is still too slow to really suprise them. Might work better with falcon punch.

 

[Noodlehead]

Somehow I missed that part. The RAR 540 punch sound pretty sexy though. Didn't think about that one yet.

Did anyone try the 360 punch from a ledgejump (not hop, just jump on the ledge). With Ganon you fly forwards quite a bit but the punch is still too slow to really suprise them. Might work better with falcon punch.

no i havent yet,i'll probably try later

 

[i.E.]

360 Punch has to be done by running, turning around, and jumping right away (that whole part is called Reverse Aerial Rush or RAR because you are now flying towards your opponent facing backwards) then doing a reverse Falcon Punch, so that you end up facing forwards again.

Wait, so it's essentially just RARing a falcon punch?
lol, I'll try it out then .

 

[Wogrim]

Somehow I missed that part. The RAR 540 punch sound pretty sexy though. Didn't think about that one yet.

Did anyone try the 360 punch from a ledgejump (not hop, just jump on the ledge). With Ganon you fly forwards quite a bit but the punch is still too slow to really suprise them. Might work better with falcon punch.

540 Punch is kinda pointless though because if you do it fast enough to be worthwhile it'll just look like a 180 Punch to the opponent.

360 Punch from ledgejump sounds too slow to be useful, but it reminds me I should make a video for the Forsaken Recovery.

 

[Noodlehead]

540 Punch is kinda pointless though because if you do it fast enough to be worthwhile it'll just look like a 180 Punch to the opponent.

360 Punch from ledgejump sounds too slow to be useful, but it reminds me I should make a video for the Forsaken Recovery.

yeah its kind of slow,if they know what you are doing then they can just hit you in the air.
i thought ayaz made a video of the forsaken recovery already too

 

[Wogrim]

yeah its kind of slow,if they know what you are doing then they can just hit you in the air.
i thought ayaz made a video of the forsaken recovery already too

Original Thread

Metroid87's clip that has been confused as the Forsaken Recovery

The actual Forsaken Recovery

 

[Noodlehead]

Original Thread

Metroid87's clip that has been confused as the Forsaken Recovery

The actual Forsaken Recovery

oh,i have confused it with forsaken recovery

 

[Crzy]

Haha I hit with a 360 PAWNCH today after trying to learn it on the Sandbag. :D It was a FFA(might have been 2v2...played a lot today) but the match was under 3:00 so I'll put it on YT sometime tomorrow.

 

[Crzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmpJ4maglGU&fmt=18

The PAWNCH is at 1:35-1:38. :D