F-Zero second rep? *discussion*

[MySmash]

I've been wondering for quite a while now if F-Zero will be getting more reps than the good captain in brawl. If so, would it be someone predictable like Black Shadow? Someone unexpected like Pico? Does this series deserve another rep? Lets say that Black Shadow makes it...is there enough out there to make a move set from? I have my own opinion on all of this but I would like to hear from other people. Thoughts?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Since I have no idea where the right place for the comment I'm about to give actually goes...I think posting it here wouldn't be wrong but...

...THe only person I play as in F-Zero is already an AT, if ya catch my drift...

I think it should get another rep...just, at this point I don't know or care who really

 

[Yukiwarashi]

I think it's fine with Captain Falcon alone.

 

[dan smith]

Yeah, if anybody I would have chosen Goroh...oooh well...

 

[parrothead]

Rick Wheeler (Ryu Suzaku in Japan). Even though he originated from an anime, he is a Nintendo character, and the Falcon Flyer from the Big Blue stage of SSBM didn't appear in a video game before, because it originated from the comic found in the SNES F-ZERO manual.

 

[MySmash]

I'm pretty sure they would be going with a villian! Are there any good ones besides Black Shadow?

 

[Zoinkslls]

Someone called Deathborn (I think), is another bad guy in F-zero, I think.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Jody Summers would make a good character.

 

[xianfeng]

Without Goroh there just shouldn't be a second F-Zero rep at all.

 

[Numa Dude]

I really hate it when people act like Goroh was the only good choice for the second character. There are tons of characters more deserving than Goroh. Pico was a member of the original four (just like Falcon, Goroh and stewart two of which are confirmed to be in some how might I add) and actually did something to affect the story (the great crash) unlike Goroh who's only claim to fame is making Falcon mad. Then there are Black Shadow and deathborne the two main villains of the series, and Jody Summer the female racer seen as Falcons love interest.

 

[Pieman0920]

Goroh was the only good choice. Not only was his status higher than anyone besides Falcon (Look at the cover of every F-Zero game that he's in, and you'll see Goroh and the Fire Stingray) To add to that, he was the few who had pottentials moves, what with his samurai style of sword fighting, and his sumo. But he's not in, and really, no other representatives are getting in. Pico is virtually unknown compared to Goroh, Black Shadow is a third tier villian who could at best take Ganondorf's place as a Falcon clone, and Jody Summers has nothing going for her other than she's a female.

People have to face it, that Goroh was the only hope. =/

 

[nobletoast]

F-Zero is a great series and proably has enough popularity and importance for two reps. But i dont relly think any other f-zero character has the popularity of Samarui Goroh. Considering that Goroh, Pico and Black Shadow all have about as much moveset potential as each other it seems unlikely that Goroh would be demoted to assist trophy status over Pico or Black Shadow. Black Shadow has "early boss in the subspace emissary" written all over him.

Just because the franchise deserves more than one rep doesnt mean we should throw in dull, generic villains in such as Black Shadow.

We're getting one rep from F-Zero but expect Goroh in the next smash brothers...if there is one that is.

 

[Espy Rose]

I'd prefer Black Shadow. He looks like Batman, which just kicks ***.

Black Shadow for Brawl.

or Deathborne..

 

[Pieman0920]

F-Zero is a great series and proably has enough popularity and importance for two reps. But i dont relly think any other f-zero character has the popularity of Samarui Goroh. Considering that Goroh, Pico and Black Shadow all have about as much moveset potential as each other it seems unlikely that Goroh would be demoted to assist trophy status over Pico or Black Shadow. Black Shadow has "early boss in the subspace emissary" written all over him.

Just because the franchise deserves more than one rep doesnt mean we should throw in dull, generic villains in such as Black Shadow.

We're getting one rep from F-Zero but expect Goroh in the next smash brothers...if there is one that is.

Same moveset pottential? How is that? Goroh had his sword and sumo, which wasn't much but was still there. Pico never showed anything although it was insiuated that he did, and Black Shadow's only ability is to make clones.

And not every series is going to have a boss in SE, but if F-Zero really needs one, we can just use Blood Falcon. =/

 

[nobletoast]

Same moveset pottential? How is that? Goroh had his sword and sumo, which wasn't much but was still there. Pico never showed anything although it was insiuated that he did, and Black Shadow's only ability is to make clones.

And not every series is going to have a boss in SE, but if F-Zero really needs one, we can just use Blood Falcon. =/

You have misunderstood me there.

When i said they all had as much moveset potential as each other i meant that they all have NO MOVESET potential being characters in a racing game. Im sure it was hard enough to make up Captain Falcon's moveset.

And Black Shadow, although i agree not every franchise is going to get a boss is the se, is more boss material than Blood Falcon....in my opinion anyway. I dont really have an argument to back this opinion up.

 

[NukeA6]

There is Black Shadow and Jody Summers but it seems doubtful that anyone else would be repping F-Zero.

Blood Falcon would have no chance since he's a clone (literally).

 

[Brawlman]

I SAY PICO!!! GO ASSASSIN TURTLE!!!

And I actually have a reason!

Pico was the person who "created" Blood Falcon and the Mighty Gazelle

He caused the great accident which resulted in a massive explosion, and many racers were harmed.

Falcon had to go to the Hospital. While he was in a coma, Black Shadow took a sample of his blood and created Blood Falcon with it.

The explosion destroyed the Mighty Gazelle's body, so Scientists had to make a completely robotic body to house the only part of his old body that remained....His brain.

So as you can see....Pico caused a lot of chaos.....And he's an assasin turtle! How awsome is that!?

 

[Pieman0920]

You have misunderstood me there.

When i said they all had as much moveset potential as each other i meant that they all have NO MOVESET potential being characters in a racing game. Im sure it was hard enough to make up Captain Falcon's moveset.

And Black Shadow, although i agree not every franchise is going to get a boss is the se, is more boss material than Blood Falcon....in my opinion anyway. I dont really have an argument to back this opinion up.

Goroh had some, what this his sword. Also he got turned into a combat AT which shows he had something. (Also in GX apperently he knew sumo, among other things like those crazy back flips) He had more than absolute zero which Pico and BS have. =/

And Blood Falcon was in Melee as it is, (like Daisy) so it would make sense for him to be there again, and I guess he'd be more like Dark Link than a boss. =/

 

[nobletoast]

Goroh had some, what this his sword. Also he got turned into a combat AT which shows he had something. (Also in GX apperently he knew sumo, among other things like those crazy back flips) He had more than absolute zero which Pico and BS have. =/

And Blood Falcon was in Melee as it is, (like Daisy) so it would make sense for him to be there again, and I guess he'd be more like Dark Link than a boss. =/

I suppose your right with Goroh. For the record i actually wanted him playable but never saw his chances as realistic.

Maybe the boss (if there is one, ive heard someone suggest that there could be a racing level in the SE to represent F-Zero) could be Blood Falcon since he was in Melee but i think generally Black Shadow is a more popular choice.

 

[thejbr12]

I still think it's odd that Capt. Falcon himself hasn't even been announced... What's up with that? I felt kinda robbed when they announced Snake, knowing that Falcon had been skipped yet again... Oh well, I guess we should be lucky we get any updates at all :-/

 

[nobletoast]

I still think it's odd that Capt. Falcon himself hasn't even been announced... What's up with that? I felt kinda robbed when they announced Snake, knowing that Falcon had been skipped yet again... Oh well, I guess we should be lucky we get any updates at all :-/

I think they might be saving him because everyone is curious to know what he will look like in updated graphics. I imagine when we see him it will be a real improvment on his Melee model. (i also think Game and Watch's model is going to be vastly different....still 2-D but with some addition like a trilby hat or something just to differentiate him from melee)

 

[Pieman0920]

Actually, the trend has been updating vetrans that have never been locked before. Going by that, we need Shiek before we can get to Falcon (or Ness) but that's dependant if any of those character will return. (Which Falcon should)

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

I think that Deathborn (big surprise considering my user name, huh?) and Jody Summer would make the best choices for additional F-Zero reps IMO as the former seems to best represent the GX/AX generation and best fills the villain role of the series (let's face it: Black Shadow is muy lame-o and he's Deathborn's ***** anyway) while the latter seems to best represent the X generation and provides the roster with an additional female character. Pico, the Arrows, and Princia Ramode would all be stellar picks as well.

 

[nobletoast]

I think that Deathborn (big surprise considering my user name, huh?) and Jody Summer would make the best choices for additional F-Zero reps IMO as the former seems to best represent the GX/AX generation and best fills the villain role of the series (let's face it: Black Shadow is muy lame-o and he's Deathborn's ***** anyway) while the latter seems to best represent the X generation and provides the roster with an additional female character. Pico, the Arrows, and Princia Ramode would all be stellar picks as well.

Deathborne>>>>>>>>>Black Shadow

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

What about Black Shadow? He could be a fighter since we are lacking villains.

 

[nobletoast]

What about Black Shadow? He could be a fighter since we are lacking villains.

But should we have villains for the sake of villains. Lets say, counting the villains in my roster, we have Bowser, King DeeDee, Ridley, Mewtwo, Ganondorf, King K Rool and Masked Man. Which isnt that much i realise but Black Shadow really is a redundant choise. Hes plain in every sense of the word, not to mention the fact he has next-to-nothing in moveset potential.

Some have said he looks like Batman. If he did trust me i wouldnt be arguing against him right now. Fu*k reasons for character inclusion if he looks like Batman he's in. But he doesnt.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Since Goroh is no longer a choice (I still haven't forgiven you, Sakurai), I say Black Shadow, Deathborn or Pico.

 

[the grim lizard]

How about a first F-zero rep first...

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

What about Black Shadow? He could be a fighter since we are lacking villains.

You want that...

OVER THIS?! Alrighty then...

 

[OmegaXXII]

How about a first F-zero rep first...

whoa grim! I think i haven't seen you in ages but anyway good to see you typing, and anyway the most favorable F-Zero rep for me would probably be Black Shadow in seeing he's the villain of the series, although Goroh would have been better, too bad Sakurai made him into an Assist Trophy

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

You want that...

OVER THIS?! Alrighty then...

Not to mention "This"

Spoiler

kills

"That"

 

[Shadowbolt]

If F-Zero gets another rep, my money's on Deathborn. He's the true villain, afterall - he CONTROLS Black Shadow.

 

[GaryCXJk]

One word: Rick Wheeler.

Okay, make that two words.

 

[Bane]

Black shadow is so unoriginal it makes my teeth hurt. He's a generic guy is a solid black skintight blackbody suit with giant horns (compensating much?) and cloved feet (cloved feet only look cool on fawns, on a human, it looks horrible).

Goroh screamed originality in every way shape and form, he had a wide base of potential moves, the second most prominent character in the franchise, and he appeared in the melee intro (a spot shared with likes of Ridley) if anyone was going to be in, it would have been him. You can hope for a Black Shadow or Deathborne as a boss (a possibility, and more likely Deathborne), but not a playable character.

Pico may have had an impact on the series (no one's denying that) but Goroh was THE second character, if he didn't get in, I can't see Pico being more significant to the point of surpassing him (or more significant at all for that matter.)

 

[Numa Dude]

Okay by reading the past couple pages of this thread I've noticed several people saying that since Goroh was the second most prominent character of the series he was the only real choice for a second F-Zero character. This argument not only fails due to overexageration by fans but it also fails because Sakurai said himself (and you can check this on Samurai pandas translation thread) that popular characters don't get him excited. I've also seen the argument of moveset potential thrown around so I'll address that as well. Saying that Goroh was the only F-Zero character with moveset potential is a very close minded statement. EVERY character has moveset potential.

 

[Shadowbolt]

Deathborn, people... >_>

 

[Bane]

Okay by reading the past couple pages of this thread I've noticed several people saying that since Goroh was the second most prominent character of the series he was the only real choice for a second F-Zero character. This argument not only fails due to overexageration by fans but it also fails because Sakurai said himself (and you can check this on Samurai pandas translation thread) that popular characters don't get him excited. I've also seen the argument of moveset potential thrown around so I'll address that as well. Saying that Goroh was the only F-Zero character with moveset potential is a very close minded statement. EVERY character has moveset potential.

Every character has potential, but Goroh had waaaay more then the other F-Zero reps. It's not an over exaggeration, he is[/i] the second most prominent. As for Sakurai not being interested by popular characters, EVERY character to appear in Smash has had to be popular (barring Roy, but that wasn't Sakurai's choice), from the immense list of FE characters to chose from, he chose Ike, because in addition to being prominent, he's popular.

 

[Ferret]

I didn't play F-zero very often (just one time in my entire life) and I don't know much about the characters, but I can tell that I don't like this Black Shadow weirdo <.<

Well, he's dead anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw&mode=related&search=

 

[raphtmarqui]

F-Zero series doesnt need another rep, all the characters besides Falcon just seem like throw away designs.

 

[smashmaniac16]

PICO........... or blackshadow with a moveset similar to capt falcon and gannondorf