yyosh
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Hey guys, today I wanted to talk about Joker’s smash appearance and what I think it will be like. I completed Persona 5 a few months ago and I fell in love with it, and it is my favorite game of all time. Grab some popcorn because this is very long!
THE DATAMINE
Here’s some stuff for joker taken from a recent datamine:
- Cloud/Roy Run Speed
- Peach Weight
- Roy Fast Fall
- CFalcon Aerial Acceleration
- Sonic Air Speed
- Wall Jump
- Rapid Jab
MOVESET SPECULATION:
I went with a more simple approach to his moveset than others have.
I guess I should address personas first because that seems to be a very prominent point in Joker discussion. I think he wil only have his base persona, Arsene, and he will be represented in his smash attacks. The attacks will be based off of Arsene’s in game abilities. For example, Eiha will be Usmash, Lunge will be Fsmash, and Dsmash could be Cleave. The first two could be like Bayo’s, while the Dsmash being similar to Marcina.
Now, you may be asking, what would his special moves be if they weren’t personas? I think I have a pretty good guess.
Nspecial: Gun
Sspecial: Ambush
Uspecial: Down Shot / Arsene Wings / Sheik
Dspecial: Critical Counter
I think that Nspecial and Sspecial are both pretty obvious, as they are both prominent abilities in the game that fit the roles of specials pretty well (projectile / rush attack). The other two are harder to determine, because there aren’t many things in the game that relate to the roles that these specials traditionally have. I thought Uspecial could be Down Shot, a fun attack where Joker fires multiple shots while bouncing around, Arsene Wings, similar to corrin a where Arsene can spread his wings and carry Joker, or a similar one to sheik because it would fit in with his character. Dspecial could be a counter where one of Joker’s teammates would rush in and attack the opponent, like in the game if the character’s confidant link is high enough. If they wanted to go sicko mode and make it so it trips like a Hold Up in the game, then that would be a very good move.
Here’s some miscellaneous moveset stuff now. His jab will most likely be his standard attack from the game. Aerials and tilts will most likely involve mostly his knife with a few kick attacks put in there. I imagine Wolf’s aerials when I think of what Joker’s could be, but replacing the claw with the knife. Grab will probably just be a normal grab. His shield animation would most likely be his guard animation from the game.
FINAL SMASH
This is probably the most obvious thing for most people when talking about his moveset, but the All Out Attack would be a perfect final smash. I would see it being a move where you activate it in front of someone, and if it hits them, a spotlight will shine on them like a hold up in Persona 5. Then the all out attack animation plays, with either Morgana, Ann, and Ryuji, or a randomly selected group of 3 teammates from the game, helping out. It ends with Joker doing his signature All Out Attack pose, and it instakills anyone at 100%.
TAUNTS / VICTORY SCREENS
His three taunts are kinda hard to figure out, as he doesn’t really have taunts in P5. The first one could be him showing off Arsene behind his back, and the second one could be all out attack pose (again). I saw this suggestion from another thread, but he could bring out his journal and write in it, just like when you save the game in P5.
Victory screens are already in P5, so they shouldn’t be that hard to find. The first one would be his solo victory screen, where he runs his hand behind his head and walks away while spinning his knife occasionally. His second would be him falling from the top of the screen into his all out attack pose. His third would be my personal favorite, which could be his regular P5 victory screen where he waves and runs to the left infinitely. I would want his victory theme to be the one from the game, and for it to be like cloud’s where it doesn’t stop playing.
COSTUMES
If you are still reading, thanks. I’m gonna talk a whole lot more so be ready. Anyways, here are my costume guesses:
JANE
The datamine revealed that there was a Joker costume with ponytail hair. This would suggest that there is a female Joker. However, there is no female joker in Persona 5. They could add a FEMC in a potential enhanced version of the game that could be announced soon. There is also the possibility that this could be Akechi, and I will link another post here if you want to read about that: https://smashboards.com/threads/the-famed-junior-dectective-crow-goro-akechi-for-smash.480506/
IF JANE DOESN’T EXIST
I think there will be 4 thief costumes and 4 real life costumes. The thief costumes would be like Shulks and represent different characters with color changes. Here’s what I think they will be:
- Standard (Black Hair Black Cloak)
- Ann Based (Blonde Hair Red Cloak)
- Yusuke Based (Blue Hair White Cloak)
- Ryuji Based (Yellow Hair Gray Cloak)
And here’s the real life costumes he could have:
- Winter School Uniform
- Summer School Uniform
- Winter Casual Wear
- Summer Casual Wear
STAGE
Here’s some stage possibilities for Joker’s appearance.
MEMENTOS
The datamine had a misspelled version of mementos listed as a stage. Most people think mementos will be a stage. I don’t think mementos fits well as a stage, because it is a tight subway system that would have to have a walkoff and ceiling.
IF MEMENTOS IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER NAME IN THE FILES
I think there are three other stage possibilities besides mementos.
- Casino Palace
- Kamoshida’s Palace
- Shujin Academy Rooftop
I really want casino because it’s my favorite palace in the game. It’s also the first location you see in game. Kamoshida’s Palace is the first playable palace of the game, and Shujin Rooftop is the first hideout of the game. They could combine these two as a transitioning stage, which would be similar to the game.
MUSIC
I thought of eight songs that I think should be put in the game. I think they will have lyrics because Atlus has let the P5 music be played with lyrics in other games, and P5 is strongly known for its music.
- Last Suprise (Battle Theme)
- Life Will Change (Infiltration Theme)
- Rivers in the Desert (Endgame Boss Theme)
- Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There (Opening / Main Theme)
- Blooming Villian (Palace Boss Theme)
- Willpower (Awakening Theme)
- Beneath the Mask (Night Theme)
- Stage Location Theme (Whims of Fate PLEASE SAKURAI)
OTHER THINGS
These are all things that weren’t mentioned in the Fighter Pass, but would be cool if they added.
ASSIST TROPHY
Morgana would be a really cool assist trophy. He could attack with his sword, use wind attacks with Zorro, and run into people as a bus. He could even heal the summoner.
SPIRITS
I think they could have spirits for all the other party members, and the Personas that they have. The Persona spirits could even be enhanceable to their final forms in the game.
CLOSING
I’m very excited for Joker, as you could tell from this very long article. Thanks for bearing with me if you are still reading, and I would love to hear all of your suggestions as well!
THE DATAMINE
Here’s some stuff for joker taken from a recent datamine:
- Cloud/Roy Run Speed
- Peach Weight
- Roy Fast Fall
- CFalcon Aerial Acceleration
- Sonic Air Speed
- Wall Jump
- Rapid Jab
MOVESET SPECULATION:
I went with a more simple approach to his moveset than others have.
I guess I should address personas first because that seems to be a very prominent point in Joker discussion. I think he wil only have his base persona, Arsene, and he will be represented in his smash attacks. The attacks will be based off of Arsene’s in game abilities. For example, Eiha will be Usmash, Lunge will be Fsmash, and Dsmash could be Cleave. The first two could be like Bayo’s, while the Dsmash being similar to Marcina.
Now, you may be asking, what would his special moves be if they weren’t personas? I think I have a pretty good guess.
Nspecial: Gun
Sspecial: Ambush
Uspecial: Down Shot / Arsene Wings / Sheik
Dspecial: Critical Counter
I think that Nspecial and Sspecial are both pretty obvious, as they are both prominent abilities in the game that fit the roles of specials pretty well (projectile / rush attack). The other two are harder to determine, because there aren’t many things in the game that relate to the roles that these specials traditionally have. I thought Uspecial could be Down Shot, a fun attack where Joker fires multiple shots while bouncing around, Arsene Wings, similar to corrin a where Arsene can spread his wings and carry Joker, or a similar one to sheik because it would fit in with his character. Dspecial could be a counter where one of Joker’s teammates would rush in and attack the opponent, like in the game if the character’s confidant link is high enough. If they wanted to go sicko mode and make it so it trips like a Hold Up in the game, then that would be a very good move.
Here’s some miscellaneous moveset stuff now. His jab will most likely be his standard attack from the game. Aerials and tilts will most likely involve mostly his knife with a few kick attacks put in there. I imagine Wolf’s aerials when I think of what Joker’s could be, but replacing the claw with the knife. Grab will probably just be a normal grab. His shield animation would most likely be his guard animation from the game.
FINAL SMASH
This is probably the most obvious thing for most people when talking about his moveset, but the All Out Attack would be a perfect final smash. I would see it being a move where you activate it in front of someone, and if it hits them, a spotlight will shine on them like a hold up in Persona 5. Then the all out attack animation plays, with either Morgana, Ann, and Ryuji, or a randomly selected group of 3 teammates from the game, helping out. It ends with Joker doing his signature All Out Attack pose, and it instakills anyone at 100%.
TAUNTS / VICTORY SCREENS
His three taunts are kinda hard to figure out, as he doesn’t really have taunts in P5. The first one could be him showing off Arsene behind his back, and the second one could be all out attack pose (again). I saw this suggestion from another thread, but he could bring out his journal and write in it, just like when you save the game in P5.
Victory screens are already in P5, so they shouldn’t be that hard to find. The first one would be his solo victory screen, where he runs his hand behind his head and walks away while spinning his knife occasionally. His second would be him falling from the top of the screen into his all out attack pose. His third would be my personal favorite, which could be his regular P5 victory screen where he waves and runs to the left infinitely. I would want his victory theme to be the one from the game, and for it to be like cloud’s where it doesn’t stop playing.
COSTUMES
If you are still reading, thanks. I’m gonna talk a whole lot more so be ready. Anyways, here are my costume guesses:
JANE
The datamine revealed that there was a Joker costume with ponytail hair. This would suggest that there is a female Joker. However, there is no female joker in Persona 5. They could add a FEMC in a potential enhanced version of the game that could be announced soon. There is also the possibility that this could be Akechi, and I will link another post here if you want to read about that: https://smashboards.com/threads/the-famed-junior-dectective-crow-goro-akechi-for-smash.480506/
IF JANE DOESN’T EXIST
I think there will be 4 thief costumes and 4 real life costumes. The thief costumes would be like Shulks and represent different characters with color changes. Here’s what I think they will be:
- Standard (Black Hair Black Cloak)
- Ann Based (Blonde Hair Red Cloak)
- Yusuke Based (Blue Hair White Cloak)
- Ryuji Based (Yellow Hair Gray Cloak)
And here’s the real life costumes he could have:
- Winter School Uniform
- Summer School Uniform
- Winter Casual Wear
- Summer Casual Wear
STAGE
Here’s some stage possibilities for Joker’s appearance.
MEMENTOS
The datamine had a misspelled version of mementos listed as a stage. Most people think mementos will be a stage. I don’t think mementos fits well as a stage, because it is a tight subway system that would have to have a walkoff and ceiling.
IF MEMENTOS IS JUST A PLACEHOLDER NAME IN THE FILES
I think there are three other stage possibilities besides mementos.
- Casino Palace
- Kamoshida’s Palace
- Shujin Academy Rooftop
I really want casino because it’s my favorite palace in the game. It’s also the first location you see in game. Kamoshida’s Palace is the first playable palace of the game, and Shujin Rooftop is the first hideout of the game. They could combine these two as a transitioning stage, which would be similar to the game.
MUSIC
I thought of eight songs that I think should be put in the game. I think they will have lyrics because Atlus has let the P5 music be played with lyrics in other games, and P5 is strongly known for its music.
- Last Suprise (Battle Theme)
- Life Will Change (Infiltration Theme)
- Rivers in the Desert (Endgame Boss Theme)
- Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There (Opening / Main Theme)
- Blooming Villian (Palace Boss Theme)
- Willpower (Awakening Theme)
- Beneath the Mask (Night Theme)
- Stage Location Theme (Whims of Fate PLEASE SAKURAI)
OTHER THINGS
These are all things that weren’t mentioned in the Fighter Pass, but would be cool if they added.
ASSIST TROPHY
Morgana would be a really cool assist trophy. He could attack with his sword, use wind attacks with Zorro, and run into people as a bus. He could even heal the summoner.
SPIRITS
I think they could have spirits for all the other party members, and the Personas that they have. The Persona spirits could even be enhanceable to their final forms in the game.
CLOSING
I’m very excited for Joker, as you could tell from this very long article. Thanks for bearing with me if you are still reading, and I would love to hear all of your suggestions as well!
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