Edge Sweetspots... why did some chars get screwed?

[sand8]

could someone explain to me why meta knights up B sweet spots to the ledge while characters that really need it like pit and R.O.B. do not?

i thought this was to balance brawl, not ruin recoveries and make the "best character" still have a sweet spotted recovery

i am not saying everyone needs to sweet spot
just certain chars i would say R.O.B, Pit Also, sweet spotting with Diddy Kong, ness, and Lucas is now ridiculously hard, i think that their up B's should sweet spot


if someone could please explain all of this it would be awesome

also please ignore any grammar mistakes, i realize trying to be "professional" when you talk on a forum is nice, but i don't feel that this particular topic needs that kind of organization

 

[Blank Mauser]

Pit and ROB can still sweetspot, they just have to either stay still or press down and they will grab. The sweetspot code just makes upwards movement deny you the ledge, so you have to just have to let go of the stick and you'll grab.

 

[5ive]

Also, note that Metaknight has to be a certain distance from the ledge in order to sweet spot. If you are too close to the edge when recovering, you will Shuttle Loop over the edge. It's not a balancing issue, as so a way to make the player think while recovering.

This topic doesn't belong here.

 

[sand8]

so neither of oyu asnwered my questions, i already knew that rob and pit could go about the ledge and fall to it.. and having to let go of A screws rob, you will get stage spiked
every time
it is infuriating especially since rob is used to be great offstage
now all i can do is camp and f-air space, i cant chase people cus if i fail to kill them i will die on my own recovery

why can diddy ness lucas rob and pit just sweetspot?

is the code made in sucha way that ALL or none can sweetspot?

 

[CountKaiser]

People can still sweetspot, it just requires precision now. The exception is Lucario, as he is write-protected.

Rob and Pit can easily defend themselves while recovering. They have the power of flight, and Pit has 3 mid air jumps as well as a glide. You shouldn't be having trouble getting back to the stage.

Also, sweetspotting with Ness just takes practice. Yes, it's hard at first, but it can be done. He doesn't need auto sweetspotting.

 

[sand8]

again thanks for not asnwering my question
i already said sweet spotting is possible just hard
it is livabel with ness diddy and lucas
cus they can go above
but rob and pit get screwed
if is hit out of his up B
he generally has about half left and its screwed, also pit cant up B again

 

[5ive]

If you are going to be a smart *** with people trying to help you, we might as well not answer at all. You asked why does MK sweetspot, while ROB/Pit can't. We gave you feasible and understandable answers. Make your question clearer, instead of forcing out an answer.

Edit: I reported the topic so a Mod can move this to the workshop.

 

[BeepBopRobot]

s and having to let go of A screws rob, you will get stage spiked

it is infuriating especially since rob is used to be great offstage
now all i can do is camp and f-air space, i cant chase people cus if i fail to kill them i will die on my own recovery

What..? This is certainly not the case.

Heres a few tips of which you may not know.

!) instead of holding down b, tap b very fast while doing your up b. If done correctly, you will see the flame in your booster rapidly turn on and off. Its been proven that by doing this, you have a lot more recovery distance, and can therefore stay off the edge and recover from further. Id be surprised if you still died if you did this.

2) You dont always have to approach the stage near the edge for a ledge grab. You have enough recovery (if you do the above) to easily go near the side ko perimeter of the side your on to evade most gimps, then go way up in the air and land anywhere on the stage that you want.

3) If you insist on coming up right near the edge, id reccomend doing a rising uair, or nair, that way your atleast somewhat protected from attacks.

4) You complained about MK, if this is because you have a friend who mains metaknight, and you are losing badly, you shouldnt beat yourself up too bad about it, because fighting metaknight with rob is a *****.


While i may agree that rob should be slightly buffed, (although this may be because my main opponent is a peach who is a pretty bad matchup for rob because of her being resistant to most of rob's comboes and gimps) Buffing his recovery and autosnap ledges would be unneccasary and wouldn't even really come in handy lol.

Edit: Started writing this before 5ives comment lol.

 

[sand8]

thank you alot Beep Bop, and why was this reported it IS in the workshop its a character question, and its in the character section...

 

[Nrrf]

This thread made me wow at the OP's biased comments. Made me laugh, though.

 

[5ive]

The character discussion is for discussion of SPECIFIC character metagame. Notice how EVERY other topic is a character topic. Check the stickies.

It's logic, my friend, logic.

 

[sand8]

do you honestly want me to make 5 topics about each one sweetspotting? i just lobbed them all together, where would i post this type of question though?

 

[BeepBopRobot]

Although i agree that making this thread was in the wrong place the wrong place, one could argue that because of my response it did have to do with a specific characters metagame (although if one argued that, then this thread should have been in the rob section...)

 

[Roxas215]

Well i do agree diddy needs sweetspotting.

 

[sand8]

ok, well since i'm obviously in the wrong place, and i dont seem very welcome here

lemme ask one more question

where would i get the txt file for the B+ 4.1 codes? i would like to look at them rather than just having a gct

 

[5ive]

do you honestly want me to make 5 topics about each one sweetspotting? i just lobbed them all together, where would i post this type of question though?

No. I'm just telling you that you posted in the wrong section.
Next time, if you have a general question or topic idea, post in the Workshop, not the character discussion. For a question like this, you should have asked in a Q and A topic.

And you're very welcome. It just takes some time to get used to the rules

Edit:
http://almas.sitesled.com/Codeset/Plusery4.1Full.zip

The text file should be in that package.

 

[BeepBopRobot]

Everybody is welcome, the more people who play brawl+ the better.

You could probably find some imformation about brawl+ here...


http://brawlplus.net/download/

 

[sand8]

ok thanks a ton for the txt files, sorry if i came off a lil douchey

i'm closing this topic now

 

[sand8]

ok this is sad... i dont know how to close my own topic... i feel dumb.. thanks again it'd be great if a mod deleted this...

 

[Red-Blue]

You can't close your own threads on SWF, just inform a moderator. (Or report the OP and mention your request for this thread's closure.

Btw, don't feel unwelcome. <3

 

[weinzey]

before this gets closed, i'd like to know (since ot has been mentioned above) why/how is lucarios upb write-protected?

 

[Blank Mauser]

so neither of oyu asnwered my questions, i already knew that rob and pit could go about the ledge and fall to it.. and having to let go of A screws rob, you will get stage spiked
every time
it is infuriating especially since rob is used to be great offstage
now all i can do is camp and f-air space, i cant chase people cus if i fail to kill them i will die on my own recovery

why can diddy ness lucas rob and pit just sweetspot?

is the code made in sucha way that ALL or none can sweetspot?

You don't have to turn off ROB's booster or Pit's wings to sweetspot, you just have to stop moving upwards as you touch the ledge. If you're concerned about stage spikes then this code makes no difference. Also, teching is much easier in Brawl+.

Try the regular smash workshop before character specific. These are boards for appropriate strategy discussion, not really changes and such. Though changes discussion happens more often than not.

 

[Zodac]

just turn it off and stop whining, like i did with no stale move code.

Diddy's should sweetspot for the fact that it is a mess and doesn't fit in with a final polished product and the fact he won't recover under the stage, like falco can't in brawl but even worse.

 

[Almas]

Closed by request.

Lucario is "write protected" in that he has his own little segment of code for sweetspotting. The game doesn't handle grabbing the ledge in his Up+B like it does for other people's recovery.