Data E3 Build Information, Changes and Damage Values [Ike]

[FieryRebirth]

Watching this leaves me the impression that it is no longer possible to mix-up Ike's Jab with attacks like down tilt anymore(You can tell the Ike player was trying this twice at 0:24 and 2:38)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb_9bCBPz8g

Also: has down smash really got better range now?

 

[Mario766]

Well if you see the crouch, that's after IASA, so a d-tilt would be possible at that point, but Ike could never truly jab d-tilt someone, and with the less KB, it might be less advantageous on hit as well.

 

[san.]

Cool observation. Hopefully there is still enough of a frame advantage on hit to continue an offensive, otherwise Ike will just finish the combo into a tech chase.

On a related note, since there have been talks of knockback in general being more horizontal, there may be more chances to tech chase with jab3, aerials, and throws.

Opponents could DI and jump away in smash 4, but in Brawl, it was common to go for a strong tech chase with bthrow if the throw landed them at a perfect position near the edge.

I imagine there will be more ways to continue damage strings with tech chases if needed. Ike is a bit too slow to tech chase DI away + roll away in 4, but it should be possible in this game.

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Has dair been buffed at all to be a better spike? The sweetspot on it in smash 4 was so bad

 

[Mario766]

Has dair been buffed at all to be a better spike? The sweetspot on it in smash 4 was so bad

No info on D-Air's range or hitbox duration being changed so far. We just have landing lag/damage info.

 

[Banjobeast158]

I was watching a video recently and saw Ike use Usmash; to me, it looked like it had less ending lag. Has anyone else observed this or is it me being too hopeful?

 

[san.]

I was watching a video recently and saw Ike use Usmash; to me, it looked like it had less ending lag. Has anyone else observed this or is it me being too hopeful?

Frame data on Usmash is the same in the demo, I checked it. At most, I could be off by a few frames. Other sources also state that it's the same.

 

[Banjobeast158]

Frame data on Usmash is the same in the demo, I checked it. At most, I could be off by a few frames. Other sources also state that it's the same.

Thanks for letting me know, hopefully the sour spot isn't as weak. Ike looks really fun, can't wait to try him out!

 

[san.]

Thanks for letting me know, hopefully the sour spot isn't as weak. Ike looks really fun, can't wait to try him out!

No problem. This thread is somewhat accurate.
Smash Ultimate E3 demo Frame Data - Google Sheets
and
Smash Ultimate Frame Data (E3/Jun. 2018 Demo Build)

may have more info if you're interested.

 

[Banjobeast158]

No problem. This thread is somewhat accurate.
Smash Ultimate E3 demo Frame Data - Google Sheets
and
Smash Ultimate Frame Data (E3/Jun. 2018 Demo Build)

may have more info if you're interested.

Nair looks ridiculous. I think that will be more reliable for combo starters than grabs. Dsmash got range/dmg buffs, think it's an option? I remember in Brawl it was not great, and still not optimal in 4.