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9Kplus1

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Before I start, please direct your eyes to this thread. Then take a look at this thread. That should clear up any misconception about whether I should worry about Pokemon "A" beating my team, and for those still confused: Don't tell me that I have a Swords Dance Weavile weakness - Weavile is ranked 35 in usage as of October 31st, there's a decent chance that it dropped in usage even more (not only that, but Swords Dance is used on roughly 30% of Weavile's sets).

Introduction

Dual Screeners are a blessing to offensive teams, allowing even frail sweepers to survive fatal attacks and continue rampaging upon the opposition. In the OU metagame, Dual Screeners normally exist as Bronzong, Uxie, Azelf and Latias. Bronzong and Latias can take quite a beating before a Screen is setup and alongside their brilliant typing, chances of survival are raised. This also allows both Latias and Bronzong to switch in continuously and setup Reflect and Light Screen as they wear off. Azelf is the complete opposite, usually leading off heavy offense teams with Dual Screens, Taunt, and Stealth Rock, dieing after it preforms its task, usually. Azelf's omnipresence as a lead also helps it when setting up since most players will assume that it has a Focus Sash, and can be taken down though means of priority, weather effects, or just outplacing it. Though seemingly outclassed by Latias, Uxie has quite a few niches that allow it to be an effective Dual Screener. The first of these niches is Memento; Memento is a great move to give a sweeper setup late game, since it not only forces switches, but hinders Pokemon that rely only offensive boosts to sweep. Uxie also has access to Stealth Rock unlike Latias, as well as Yawn to force switches.

Though, after reading though a few analysis's on Smogon, I came upon another Dual Screener - one that can support its team without being outclassed by Bronzong, Latias, or any dual Screener in OU: Gardevoir.



Gardevoir sports quite a few differences from the mentioned Dual Screeners, namely its ability and access to a great support movepool. Though, rather than compare every Dual Screener to Gardevoir, I'll only compare Gardevoir to Latias. Latias shares most of Gardevoir's movepool, and they both lure in and scare out similar Pokemon.

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Psychic ---- Psychic/Dragon
Ability: Trace; Copies foe's Ability. ---- Ability: Levitate; Immune to Ground-type moves.
Weaknesses: Bug (x2), Dark (x2), Ghost (x2) ---- Weaknesses: Ice (x2), Dragon (x2), Dark (x2), Bug (x2), Ghost (x2)
Resistances: Fighting (x2), Psychic (x2) ---- Fighting (x2), Grass (x2), Water (x2), Psychic (x2), Fire (x2)
HP: 68 --- HP: 80
x ---- x
Def: 65 --- Def: 80
SAtk: 125 --- SAtk: 110
SDef: 110 --- SDef: 135
Spd: 80 --- Spd: 110

[Notable] Movepool Differences: Taunt, Will-o-Wisp, Focus Blast, Healing Wish, Memento Heal Bell --- [Notable] Movepool Differences: Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Surf

Why would I choose Gardevoir over Latias? 9 words: Taunt, Will-o-Wisp, Focus Blast, Healing Wish, Memento and Heal Bell. These moves allow Gardevoir to differ itself from any Dual Screener drastically as they either make setting up easier for the switch in, or keep Gardevoir from being setup on. The most notable of these moves are Will-o-Wisp, Taunt, and Healing Wish. Will-o-Wisp makes most of the Pokemon that Gardevoir lures in setup fodder, Taunt keeps Gardevoir from being setup on and Healing Wish works very well late game, when most sweepers would be worn down, or statused. Trace is a great ability, too, keeping Gyarados and Salamence at bay for a while (though a Life Orb boosted Outrage from the latter will OHKO Gardevoir without a Reflect setup) while supplying me with a Heatran switch in.

Really, where Latias has the advantage both stat-wise and offensively, Gardevoir makes up for with a great support oriented movepool.
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From there, I needed a Pokemon that has great synergy with Gardevoir, and would appreciate Screen support. This brought me to Empoleon; a great Pokemon that can harass the opposition both early and late in the game. With Reflect support, Empoleon can plow right through Flygon, and Infernape without much trouble and even pull off a sweep given that my opponent doesn't have any proper checks for it (post-Torrent boost).



Empoleon and Gardevoir only cover so much; as of now, I'm Scizor, Lucario and Machamp weak. What can remedy this? Gliscor seems to be the best option for the job, particularly the Stallbreaker variant which keeps Skarmory from Phazing Empoleon out.



My [Swords Dance] Scizor, Gengar, and Gyarados weaknesses are starting to making themselves abundant I'm honestly stumped, here. As of now, revenge killing the three is my best bet and Choice Scarf Jirachi fits the bill exactly - decent Speed, a great movepool, and a bit of bulk.



A secondary sweeper is in order since Empoleon won't always be around forever. Magic happens, and Empoleon is either revenge killed, bull****ted out of a KO, or just walled by a mystical Pokemon that goes by the name of Blissey. A stat-uping Restalker? A bulky Swords Dancer? A Calm Minder? A Nasty Plot user? The choices were pretty wide; however, I decided to run Dragon Dance Tyranitar for its innate ability to dethrone a decent amount of walls after a single Dragon Dance, namely a 3HKO on Skarmory with Fire Punch (50% of a 2HKO if Skarmory isn't running Leftovers), and an OHKO on Blissey, Gyarados, and Salamence with Stone Edge. This really helps Empoleon pull off a sweep without being halted by its usual checks while at the same time, removing threats to my team from play one by one. The downside is that Tyranitar needs a Dragon Dance to pull this off effectively. Still, Tyranitar is a great choice for this team - creating more synergy and removing threats from the game with little effort. Gliscor also loves the Sandstorm support :p.



The final Pokemon is leading off this team. After testing a few times, I managed find out how much this team loves Spikes support as opposed to Stealth Rock support. Though Gardevoir takes a beating from OffensiveDos, it can still setup a Reflect, or just burn the water snake, making it much less of a threat to this team. BulkyDos is beaten by Empoleon on occasion due to the lack of Earthquake; Jirachi also plays a fine role in ridding the field of the monster. Zapdos shouldn't be a problem to Empoleon and Tyranitar given that they have a boost down. Gliscor also does pretty well at walling variants that lack Hidden Power Ice - FYI, Zapdos uses Hidden Power Ice on 17% of its sets opposed to Hidden Power Grass being used on 27% of its sets. Froslass came to mind as a great Spikes lead with a base 110 Speed, Taunt, and Destiny Bond to ensure at least one layer of Spikes gets down. Plus, STAB Ice Beams can dent a good amount of Pokemon.


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Now I wiggle around and do stuff
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Froslass (F) @ Focus Sash *** Tia Harribel
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Spikes
- Destiny Bond
- Taunt
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Froslass is one the more reliable - no, the only - Spikes lead to choose from. Boasting an impressive base 110 Speed, alongside a decent movepool, Froslass always manages to get up a single layer of Spikes before it dies.

With the amazing amount of Baton Pass leads running around, Taunt found its way onto Froslass's moveset and with a 350 Speed, not much is getting setting up on Froslass. Taunt also prevents Froslass from being put to sleep by Roserade and Smeargle, which always allows for an easy layer of Spikes. Slower leads, namely Bronzong, Hippowdon, and Swampert can't setup Stealth Rock either, forcing them to attack. Destiny Bond strikes outright fear into any Pokemon that can't risk being KO'd. Bulky Stealth Rock users usually switch out after being tagged with this move, allowing me to get up a layer of Spikes with ease.

The EVs are pretty straightforward imo.

Resistance Synergy:


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Weakness Synergy:

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Gardevoir (F) @ Light Clay *** Neliel
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP/200 Spd/56 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Wish
- Will-o-wisp
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As already explained, Gardevoir makes an excellent Dual Screener in the current OU metagame. She also has plenty of opportunities to switch in and setup both Screens.

Though, the last 2 slots do need an explanation. First up is Wish, one of the better moves to support the Pokemon on this team since they're usually better off with continuous Wish support as opposed to Gardevoir fully healing them once. Wish also helps keep Gardevoir alive, which is more likely under both Reflect and Light Screen. Will-o-Wisp is really what made me shift my thoughts from Latias to Gardevoir. Gardevoir can cripple Scizor, Gyarados, Jirachi, Metagross and Tyranitar as they switch in, eliminating most of their usefulness to the opposing team (excluding the rare Choice Specs and uncommon Boah variants of Tyranitar). Will-o-Wisp also keeps Rotom-A from switching in so carelessly since, under Sandstorm, it's taking 16% from its burn each turn (12% for Defensive variants). This works great for both Empoleon and Tyranitar since they fear Timid Choice Scarf Rotom-A.

The EVs aren't hard to grasp; however they're very useful. 200 EVs in Speed places Gardevoir at a 245 Speed, enough to outplace BulkyDos, Jolly Tyranitar, and Defensive Celebi. Why is this important? Getting off Will-o-Wisp is a must when it comes to a bulkier variant of Gyarados that always runs Taunt and Dragon Dance Tyranitar... which is a ***** to revenge.

Resistance Synergy:


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Empoleon (M) @ Petaya Berry *** Coyote Starrk
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 12 HP/12 Def/232 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Agility
- Surf
- Ice Beam
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Empoleon is one of the most dangerous sweepers in OU if it can setup effectively. It also has a great amount of synergy with the team with an impressive amount of resistances and an immunity to Poison.

Grass Knot is usually the standard for SubPetaya Empoleon. It covers most bulky Waters, and it does a decent amount of damage to Gyarados on the switch in; however, after having Salamence, Flygon, and Latias switch in continuously, either forcing Empoleon out, or revenging it. Ice Beam covers most of what can revenge Empoleon, and it keeps Celebi from walling the hell out of it before, or after the Petaya and Torrent boost.

If you're clueless about the EVs, I'll just quote Smogon to save effort:

Empoleon Analysis said:
Max Special Attack with a Modest nature is obvious, and 232 Speed EVs puts Empoleon at 428 Speed after one Agility, enough to outrun Choice Scarf Jolly Medicham, Choice Scarf Modest Porygon-Z, and Choice Scarf Timid Heatran. The remaining 24 EVs are put into HP. The SubPetaya set puts 12 of the remaining EVs in HP to reach a number divisible by 4, then puts the rest in Defense.
Resistance Synergy:

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Weakness Synergy:

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Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers *** Nnoitra Jiruga
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/40 Def/216 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Roost
- Toxic
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Gliscor sports quite a few resistances and immunities thanks to its Ground/Flying typing, and with access to both Roost and Taunt, Gliscor can hold its own against a great amount of bulky Pokemon in OU (...and Lucario).

In this metagame, where stall is still a force to reckoned with, having a reliable Pokemon with Taunt is always welcomed; however, Gliscor goes a bit further than that. Gliscor has the ability to hold its own against most stall teams, normally by means of preventing a Pokemon such as Skarmory from setting up entry hazards effectively. Gliscor is normally immune to, takes little damage from, or resists most of the attacks that bulkier Pokemon - Hippowdon, Blissey, Foretress, and Machamp for example - and can retaliate with a combination of Taunt, and Toxic/Earthquake. Gliscor also functions as my most reliable check to Lucario, and Dragon Dance Tyranitar (Tyraniboah lacking Ice Beam is kind of ***** by Gliscor, too since Dark Pulse has become a thing of the past thanks to Latias's omnipresence in OU). Despite giving my team an even greater weakness to Mamoswine, Gliscor remains as a proud staple of my team.

As for the EVs... really? You need to know how these EVs work?

Resistance Synergy:

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Weakness Synergy:

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Tyranitar (M) @ Babiri Berry *** Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Fire Punch
- Stone Edge
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If Empoleon were to ever succumb a revenge killer, it's up to the rest of my team to open a path for my secondary sweeper: Tyranitar. I'll just say it now: Tyranitar is an absolute monster when running Dragon Dance. Crunch, Stone Edge, and Fire Punch cover everything in OU, leaving itself open only a few Pokemon (Choice Scarf Flygon, Machamp, Choice Scarf Gengar, and Choice Scarf Rotom-A). All of these Pokemon however, can be effectively checked by my team.

Scizor is always a threat to Tyranitar, tossing Choice Banded Bullet Punches around everywhere, and what with Stealth Rock being on the field most of the time, I'd rather not risk Tyranitar's sweep to a mantis. All in all, Tyranitar is the powerhouse of this team - only being effectively countered by Machamp - and its synergy with the rest of the team is given a warm welcome.

Resistance Synergy:

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Weakness Synergy:
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Jirachi @ Choice Scarf *** Zommari Leroux
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Thunderpunch
- Trick
- Fire Punch
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Jirachi is the glue holding this team together, eliminating quite a few threats without much trouble and crippling Pokemon such as Suicune with Trick.

Gyarados and Scizor are both destroyed by Fire Punch and Thunderpunch while Gengar, Latias, and Tyranitar have trouble getting past Iron head.

Erm... This RMT is almost finished and I'll just keep the description as is. I'm that lazy.

Resistance Synergy:

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Final Words For The Curious

I've already tried Gyarados, don't suggest using it. Seriously. It can't heal, it needs Rapid Spin support to switch in safely, and RestTalk variants are more suited for stall teams. That's about all I have to say.
 

CRASHiC

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This is by far the most well written team rating post ever o_O
I'm not sure what to say. You've covered everything.
 

Wave⁂

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Suicide lead Froslass: Cool. HAH A PUN

Dual Screen Gardevoir: Awesome.

SubPetaya Empoleon hurts. Good.

Gliscor: Only one attack hurts, major 4-move syndrome. Watch out for DD Mence and Gyara trying to set up on you. Zapdos.

DD Tyranitar: BabiriTar really needs to be used more often, he's a great Scizor bait / killer. Why not Adamant?

Hax Jirachi: Gay, but good.

Machamp with Ice Punch could cause you some problems. Scarf Gengar with HP Ice hurts your team quite a bit. Lack of a Dragon-type attack leaves you open (kinda) to a Kingdra sweep. Bulkier Aligigross are 3HKOd by Tyranitar's Fire Punch, and some carry Ice Punch, though they're rare.

Note that all of these threats are quite rare. You team is very anti-metagame, so stuff like Machamp and Kingdra are problematic.
 

Gates

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I like how other than your sweepers your entire team has 4 actual attacks.

annoying is right, you might as well have Adamant TTar since even after a DD he won't outspeed his faster counters.

You shouldn't factor a SUICIDE lead into weakness/resistance.

Naming your team after Bleach characters is lame. You gotta name them after Fist of the North Star characters like me.
 

9Kplus1

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Gliscor: Only one attack hurts, major 4-move syndrome. Watch out for DD Mence and Gyara trying to set up on you.
Gliscor outspeeds both of them, getting in a Taunt before they can Dragon Dance.

Why not Adamant?
Choice Specs Latias, Life Orb Gengar, Starmie, and Infernape have a bone to pick with Tyranitar, especially one that doesn't invest in any of its defenses. In short, Jolly Tyranitar outplaces base 115 Speed Pokemon after a Dragon Dance while Adamant Tyranitar outspeeds base 100 Pokemon only.

Machamp with Ice Punch could cause you some problems. Scarf Gengar with HP Ice hurts your team quite a bit. Lack of a Dragon-type attack leaves you open (kinda) to a Kingdra sweep.
Empoleon can break Kingdra's Subs with Ice Beam, while Jirachi can keep it from causing any trouble with Trick and most users of Dragon Pulse, Draco Meteor, etc, are ***** by Kingdra if it gets up a Dragon Dance (excluding Jirachi, but without STAB, it's pretty useless otherwise imo). Gengar is usually into Hidden Power Fire these days thanks to Scizor becoming an immediate threat (in fact, Hidden Power Ice is used on 13% of Gengar's sets).

Note that all of these threats are quite rare. You team is very anti-metagame, so stuff like Machamp and Kingdra are problematic.
Machamp is of the highest priority to remove from the game, sadly. Jirachi and Iron Head flinches usually keep it from punching holes in my team while Gardevoir can handle Dynamicpunch-Ice Punch Restalk Machamp. Gliscor takes on any other combination of moves with ease. Substitute Machamp is a problem since it's most likely going to have Dynamicpunch/Ice Punch/Payback.

I like how other than your sweepers your entire team has 4 actual attacks.
...what?

annoying is right, you might as well have Adamant TTar since even after a DD he won't outspeed his faster counters.
Choice Specs Latias does a decent amount with Surf, just enough to give Scizor a bit of lead way to revenge Tyranitar. Yeah, if I ran Leftovers, Adamant would be an option.

You're also forgetting about Infernape, Life Orb Gengar firing off Focus Blasts everywhere and the occasional Life Orb boosted Hydro Pump from Starmie. Jolly is an overall safer option for Tyranitar.

You shouldn't factor a SUICIDE lead into weakness/resistance.
If Jirachi uses Iron Head and gets a flinch off, I can switch to Empoleon and get a chance to scout my opponent's team for any possible threats. Get it?

Naming your team after Bleach characters is lame. You gotta name them after Fist of the North Star characters like me.
...what?
 

Wave⁂

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Max attack Adamant Machamp 3HKOs max / min neutral nature Gardevoir with both DynamicPunch and Ice Punch. If you switch into a DynamicPunch, confusion could prevent you from Wishing or setting up Reflect.

Also, I had no idea Gliscor was so fast o.O
 

supermarth64

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Your team is weak to standard stall. Forretress can handle Spikes, while a stall team doesn't care about screens. Seismic Toss Blissey can handle Empoleon easily, while Resttalk Gyarados can outstall the screens and get a 2HKO on your Gliscor (each Waterfall does ~50%). Skarm can handle Tyranitar, while the only thing you would cripple with Jirachi is Skarm once they realize you're not running special attacks. Unfortunately, due to the build of your team, the only way you can beat it is by playing around it.

Also, one small thing. Every time you bring in your Tyranitar, Machamp kills a Pokemon. While you switch out, it sets up a Sub. With the remaining moveset of Dynamicpunch / Payback / Ice Punch, it can easily OHKO or 2HKO the rest of your team. Even if it's running Stone Edge over Ice Punch, it can wait for a confusion hax on Gliscor to win against it. Unforunately also, Subchamp is very hard to counter without Slowbro or Spiritomb, both of which don't fit your team.

One more threat that I still can't find a counter for except Steelix, Resttalkers, and slow Earthquakes. Zapdos can come in on Gardevoir and set up a Sub. Once there, it can stall out your team with Toxic. The only way that your team can handle that is to switch to Gliscor on the Sub, Taunt before it can Toxic, then go to Tyranitar and begin setting up. If you don't have Gliscor, that's very problematic. Even if you do have Gliscor, it can't actually hit Zapdos if it has a Substitute up unless Zapdos is Roosting.

Oh well, nicely built team. Good luck!
 
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