Dragon Ball Mafia - Paperwork Complete! Town + Survivor Victory!

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well, since the cop's taking over, might as well vote for myself.

He'll have his way and kill me anyway

 

[KingofPhantoms]

@RamOne

Say something.

He did, much earlier, though. And he seems willing to just vote himself off.

With the way I 'played', it's surprising I made it to Day 4.

Vote: RamOne

With Pokechu gone, there's no way for me to prove my role anyway. I'm Monaka, btw.

And unfortunately, by Ram's own claim here, there's no way he can prove his role at this point.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It's just disheartening when you work extra hard on a plan and have EVERYONE abide and make sure the cop is protected, and then have the cop be the only one that didn't abide by the plan. It was ****in perfect. I would've known exactly who the last Mafia members were. Oh well. I'm done with next night phase. Y'all can come up with your own plans.

Yeesh, White made things turn out that badly?

Wow... Just... wow...

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Our mayor did tell me that White was being stubborn.

I was hoping things wouldn't get screwed up this badly though....

And if most remaining players have at least a rough idea of what I can do now, I don't even know if I can be of much help at this point. Aside from still contributing to lynch votes (which I hope only have good outcomes for the town at this point).

Whatever happens next, I don't expect it to go smoothly.

 

[Wolfie557]

...

I think White broke our mayor...

Good job, cop.

well what does he want to happen today, then?

****. It. Whatever. Do whatever the hell y'all want. It's not worth attempting to have a power struggle between the cop and the mayor. Do whatever the hell you want White.

we can still co-operate tonight. I've only went against your plan once, tho that was the only one I was aware of.

And only because I saw that it can work without me doing that, based on what you said. Since like I said if I checked praline you would think the exact same anyway.

And nothing changed. Everyone was vulnerable the same way you wanted. Proved Phantoms role by using Pokechu, new vig by using Oppo. (tho i have some doubts but only because of the way host does things, otherwise I wouldn't) Praline wasn't a target by anyone except me, which did not matter... I mean if you told me that it did in a different way I wouldn't have realised my check would be wasted and checked praline.

Or even just told me Uni comes up as suspicious, so in the end I wasted my check anyway. :[

Can u at least answer my questions please. And tell the cop information next time you are mayor, like last night (ill forgive you about z25 cos I forgot about him too lmao) Its hard to beat mafia when even town's most important roles aren't united. >.<

 

[Wolfie557]

^edit for the nothings changed. Praline is still suspicous. Just as she would be if she came up town. But yh if she ended up being suspicious it would be a much quicker lynch.

 

[Wolfie557]

^tho i suppose if she was town the argument is she is the godfather.

woops sorta my fault shes getting delayed XD.

 

[Wolfie557]

uno what.

lets be done with it and vote praline like it was going to happen no matter what result I would have gotten if I checked praline, even tho checking praline and uni are the only possible checks that didn't exactly matter.

I wanted her lynched anyway, TWO DAYS AGO. always can check Shish tonight. don't need praline to prove Shish is town by killing someone. i can do it myself.

Unvote: Uni
Vote: Praline
NonSpecificGuy sorry and lets actually talk things through before, properly. We almost cooperated last night as expected. We gotta talk quick cos our timezones too diff. When ur active i'm not lmao and I wont have much time tomoz.
The Stoopid Unikorn vote praline and you might survive this.

 

[Wolfie557]

^*before acting.

 

[Wolfie557]

Don't waste a check on me, I'll just come as suspicious.

oh right.

forgot damn.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

we can still co-operate tonight. I've only went against your plan once, tho that was the only one I was aware of.

That one time was enough, especially considering the scale of NSG's plan.

 

[Wolfie557]

Call it paranoia but I worry that even saying my character's name is gonna cause me trouble.

Still....not everyone knows what my character's power is, so I suppose it wouldn't hurt to reveal the name.

Very well, then. I'll admit that I'm Goku.



I wish we could've proven his role sooner. We'd be better off killing another member of the Mafia ASAP.

I can at least fully agree that a voting to lynch a third party is a little better than not voting to lynch anyone, though, and would definitely be the preferable choice over voting off another Townie.

proving who's role??

 

[KingofPhantoms]

proving who's role??

Uni's.

Things would've been easier if we could've confirmed that he really is a harmless third party sooner.

 

[Wolfie557]

Well, since the cop's taking over, might as well vote for myself.

He'll have his way and kill me anyway

I don't see how its completely my fault, but sure. And I don't want to 'take over town'. I'm not a Oppo-type Cop.

 

[Wolfie557]

Uni's.

Things would've been easier if we could've confirmed that he really is a harmless third party sooner.

how?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't see how its completely my fault, but sure.

You still deserve a good amount of blame for going against the mayor's plan

All of it? Maybe not, but still a substantial amount

 

[Holder of the Heel]

White, let's just kill the suspicious-upon-check ones right now. We'll know about praline to some extent after this day phase anyways.

Holder must like having me write on his posts.
He does keep editing after all

 

[Wolfie557]

That one time was enough, especially considering the scale of NSG's plan.

it wasn't perfect. and if we worked together instead of mayor rejecting info away from me, it would have been a better plan.

Meanwhile, I always gave him info (that he probs already knew eh) and did what he asked me last night to do with phantoms, cos I thought its the best thing to do, given the info I knew from him / later others.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

You're both wrong and I'm right, now let's just move on. I'm the leader now.

 

[Deleted member]

I can just kill Praline tonight if none of us die today.

 

[Wolfie557]

White, let's just kill the suspicious-upon-check ones right now. We'll know about praline to some extent after this day phase anyways.

But i'm not gonna check praline tonight if no matter what result I got, it did not matter at all to the mayor. And like I said I wanted praline dead more than the mayor. Wanted her dead even when DJ came up suspicious because Swamp flipped. shish/mayor knows i wanted praline dead last night even, due to my check meaning nothing plus that I felt to not play safe and that i felt shish attacking oppo doesn't prove shish is town, just that she can kill.

I'll prob check ramone. Since shish's check means nothing cos swamp was a miller.

If Ram comes up as town and we have no other leads, we can simply lynch Uni the next day.

Funny how because of not enough communication on someones side i almost played safe today too and voted for uni not even reading the part where it was said Uni would come up suspicous since I was on the bus and couldn't read everything, the day mayor finally agreed to vote off praline - ironically delaying something I wanted so long myself XD.

 

[Wolfie557]

I can just kill Praline tonight if none of us die today.

somone has to die.

why delay to to tonight when u can kill praline now XD

 

[Deleted member]

shish attacking oppo doesn't prove shish is town, just that she can kill.

He

somone has to die.

why delay to to tonight when u can kill praline now XD

Because she has said that she's shooting me, there's no point in lynching her if she said she's gonna prove her role today.

Scenario #1: I die, I flip Town. Conclusion: Praline is Mafia with Day kill.

Scenario #2: Praline dies, flips as Town Desperado. Conclusion: I am confirmed as new Town Vig.

Scenario #3: None of us die. Conclusion: Praline lied about her role and is likely Scum. I shoot her during Night.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

it wasn't perfect. and if we worked together instead of mayor rejecting info away from me, it would have been a better plan.

Meanwhile, I always gave him info (that he probs already knew eh) and did what he asked me last night to do with phantoms, cos I thought its the best thing to do, given the info I knew from him / later others.

I kept information from everybody for a reason. In case someone was in contact with one of the Mafia and didn't know it. There was only one person other than me that knew the whole plan and I only told him just in case I got targeted by the Mafia. That person was Holder. Everyone did exactly what I need them to do. Even Holder. He was the only one that would be able to carry out the plans if I were to die. I had no idea you would trust me so little to not follow the plan. I even stressed to two other people to try and talk you into it. But you didn't. I wouldn't have asked you to track someone specifically if I didn't need it. I even saved your life by telling you NOT to target King. No one knew all the secrets besides me and Holder. And for good reason. If a Mafia would've known of the plan it would be straight ****ed. But it got ****ed anyways.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

how?

For one thing we'd have one less suspect to deal with.

 

[praline]

somone has to die.

why delay to to tonight when u can kill praline now XD

Well I’d like it to be delayed for the sole fact that my mafia can wait as long as possible. lol

 

[Wolfie557]

He

Because she has said that she's shooting me, there's no point in lynching her if she said she's gonna prove her role today.

Scenario #1: I die, I flip Town. Conclusion: Praline is Mafia with Day kill.

Scenario #2: Praline dies, flips as Town Desperado. Conclusion: I am confirmed as new Town Vig.

Scenario #3: None of us die. Conclusion: Praline lied about her role and is likely Scum. I shoot her during Night.

yh thats why i wanted that earlier. but then felt bad for NSG so why not do what he wanted to happen, according to what I was told.

For one thing we'd have one less suspect to deal with.

but...

HOW.

I kept information from everybody for a reason. In case someone was in contact with one of the Mafia and didn't know it. There was only one person other than me that knew the whole plan and I only told him just in case I got targeted by the Mafia. That person was Holder. Everyone did exactly what I need them to do. Even Holder. He was the only one that would be able to carry out the plans if I were to die. I had no idea you would trust me so little to not follow the plan. I even stressed to two other people to try and talk you into it. But you didn't. I wouldn't have asked you to track someone specifically if I didn't need it. I even saved your life by telling you NOT to target King. No one knew all the secrets besides me and Holder. And for good reason. If a Mafia would've known of the plan it would be straight ****ed. But it got ****ed anyways.

okay but.

why would u tell holder of all people? He is the doc. If anything HE SHOULD HAVE DIED SO I CAN DIE.

If you told me....a confirmed cop since day 1 to you, maybe this wouldn't have happened. Maybe this plan would be better, and at the very least you would have a back-up for the case incase Holder died, which he seriously should have and fully expected that after they went for Swamp as they should have. And if you died, well both of us would know who is the mafia.

I kept telling you every single night to tell me stuff but you don't, not even telling me the entire of this plan while I got and did the work for you (the telling u everything I found out every night and asking phantom what you told me to ask/find out last night too).

So sorry but after all this plus expecting me to check praline which you yourself implied did not matter what result I got, I don't regret doing what I thought was best based on what I knew. Thats how I played all the nights before, and will be every night in every game.

So what now? lynch praline or what? and are you gonna talk tonight or hide details away from me? As town we need to know information, not hide it. Yh hide from the mafia obvi but still. (tho all the big plans were revealed anyway but suppose thats okay, they happened).

No point arguing especially after everything has been said by now. It makes our teamwork worse. I'm willing to work together like I was TRYING to every night, it's up to you if you do too.

If you won't try and work together again this night, tell me now.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Ok, so here was the goddamn plan. Alright? Since it failed I guess there's no more reason to keep it under raps.

KingofPhantoms wanted to prove his role and the only way to prove his role was to have someone target him without him knowing who it was that targeted him. I didn't want to use Shish, or White, or Z because they all had very useful role powers that we might need. Pokechu however was just the tracker. He could only tell who people visited which wasn't very useful now. AND he volunteered to so it as soon as I asked him. Kings role was proven then.

Then I had Shish target Opo to prove his role because Opo was likely going to be host killed anyways. So it was either have Shish kill a random townie and maybe lose a townie. Or have him target a townie we were going to lose anyways to a host kill. Shish role was proven.

I had everyone be vulnerable last night besides White, because I didn't want to risk losing one of our most valuable users, which would allow for the plan to play out the way I intended. Pokechu die, shame but still useful and he volunteered. Opo die, he was going to die anyways. And then whoever the Mafia would attack would have narrowed it down even farther, but they did exactly what I thought they would do and attacked White. That didn't narrow it down as far as it would of someone else had been attacked but it worked out nonetheless.

Don't worry though! I had another way to confirm another role! Pralines! If White would have checked praline and she came back suspicious then we could confirm she was town, but if she came back clean we would have reason to suspect her. Why? Because there is no reason why anyone with a day kill should come back as clean thus if she did come up clean she would be Mafia. If she came up suspicious, well guess what, that leaves one suspect. Ram.

 

[Wolfie557]

^the fact that I didnt talk in the end was;

I was sleeping. Shish can confirm I said I don't have much time. But don't think u can say I didn't trust u.

I do. I just disagreed once. :/

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think it's safe to assume someone with a Day kill would get a suspicious result.
I mean, I know it wasn't exactly that balanced but White's game had Leonne as the Town Vig+Desperado but she always gave a clean result.
We'll have to hunt down the Godfather after the next Mafia goon is killed because I'm pretty sure a 15-person game would have 4 Mafiosos

 

[Wolfie557]

Ok, so here was the goddamn plan. Alright? Since it failed I guess there's no more reason to keep it under raps.

KingofPhantoms wanted to prove his role and the only way to prove his role was to have someone target him without him knowing who it was that targeted him. I didn't want to use Shish, or White, or Z because they all had very useful role powers that we might need. Pokechu however was just the tracker. He could only tell who people visited which wasn't very useful now. AND he volunteered to so it as soon as I asked him. Kings role was proven then.

Then I had Shish target Opo to prove his role because Opo was likely going to be host killed anyways. So it was either have Shish kill a random townie and maybe lose a townie. Or have him target a townie we were going to lose anyways to a host kill. Shish role was proven.

I had everyone be vulnerable last night besides White, because I didn't want to risk losing one of our most valuable users, which would allow for the plan to play out the way I intended. Pokechu die, shame but still useful and he volunteered. Opo die, he was going to die anyways. And then whoever the Mafia would attack would have narrowed it down even farther, but they did exactly what I thought they would do and attacked White. That didn't narrow it down as far as it would of someone else had been attacked but it worked out nonetheless.

Don't worry though! I had another way to confirm another role! Pralines! If White would have checked praline and she came back suspicious then we could confirm she was town, but if she came back clean we would have reason to suspect her. Why? Because there is no reason why anyone with a day kill should come back as clean thus if she did come up clean she would be Mafia. If she came up suspicious, well guess what, that leaves one suspect. Ram.

Thank you for telling me all this...finally. -.-

Now I can tell you everything I would have, if i haven't already.

• Phantoms/Pokechu gets proved 100%
• Z25 is doing....???.
• Have Shish kill praline. That proves her role, without doubts that Zeb's way of hosting would not make it clear whether its a host kill or not.
• If you were gonna supect praline either way, wasting my own check that COULD HAVE BEEN USED ON RAM DAMMIT why not kill praline 1 phase earlier, like i told shish/holder the flaws to your plan last night after i figured out / was told some of it, since at the time you weren't online and knew you would be when I wouldn't.
• That reveals / proves Praline, Ram and Shish and narrows down the suspect list exactly as intended, only sooner.

But its too late and we have to simply deal with it. Like I said to holder earlier, I can check Ram tonight.

Your plan is defo not perfect, but with mine and holders help it would have been.
Who we lynching? I don't have much time left and I spent too much time on mafia this evening.


Also, I wasn't attacked, as far as I know.
Perhaps proof of why Oppo was a bad target for Shis? >.<

 

[Wolfie557]

I don't think it's safe to assume someone with a Day kill would get a suspicious result.
I mean, I know it wasn't exactly that balanced but White's game had Leonne as the Town Vig+Desperado but she always gave a clean result.
We'll have to hunt down the Godfather after the next Mafia goon is killed because I'm pretty sure a 15-person game would have 4 Mafiosos

*+ role-cop

 

[Wolfie557]

so yh. I just didn't see how...

• me checking praline was neccessary, unless she came up suspicous which only re-affirms suspicions just like DJ coming up suspicious did.
• checking praline was a better idea than checking Ram, who NSG himself said was the only missing person the plan doesn't account for.
• Killing oppo over praline was a better idea when

1. killing praline proves shish's role too.
2. oppo dies anyway and praline would have probs been lynched anyway
3. removes any doubts I might have about host stuff, so win=win for me and nsg.

Lets agree to disagree. It's like the me/holder vs uni last day all over again. I say X does not prove Y, you say it does.

So lets move on. Town, who we lynching? It doesn't really matter between uni/praline imho, the end result in the next day is probs gonna be the same.

I'm torn apart between listening to NSG for feeling bad when its not really my fault in my view, and listening to Shish/Holder/Earlier Me because it makes total sense too.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

**** it.

Unvote: Dodge Ram
Vote: praline

 

[Wolfie557]

took a while to find what my vote was cos I forgot if i changed it. apparently I already did, but for emphasis...

Unvote: Uni
Vote: Praline

It's what me and nsg both want and wanted.

now, i'm off. fingers crossed.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Um... you should bold it?

 

[Z25]

**** it.

Unvote: Dodge Ram
Vote: praline

-Dodge Ram Lmao

 

[Z25]

Um... you should bold it?

They already voted that same way is what they pointed out iirc

 

[redfeatherraven]

BOLD IT.

BOLD IT IN A NEW POST LIKE A TRUE you know the drill come on.

 

[redfeatherraven]

Unvote: Uni
Vote: Praline

B-B-B-BOLD IT.