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DPP = Brawl?

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[00:48] SCOTU42: how do you feel about an ability that makes physical attacks hit 1.5x power but at 80% ac
[00:48] SCOTU42: the purpose is AWESOME
[00:48] MycatgoesMow: ES togekiss
[00:48] MycatgoesMow: CB
[00:48] MycatgoesMow: have fun
[00:48] SCOTU42: ?
[00:48] MycatgoesMow: it's called Hustle
[00:48] SCOTU42: yeah
[00:48] MycatgoesMow: choice banded togekiss uses it well
[00:48] SCOTU42: hm, thought they made that one up
[00:49] MycatgoesMow: makes for very strong extremespeed usage
[00:49] MycatgoesMow: double stab, effectively
[00:49] SCOTU42: well, in this game, it's on the ***** that's ankoku's current avatar
[00:49] SCOTU42: was wondering if you thought that abilty was ****
[00:49] MycatgoesMow: not particularly
[00:50] MycatgoesMow: my favorit ability is either Pure Power or Intimidate
[00:50] SCOTU42: what's pure power again?
[00:50] MycatgoesMow: Trace gets honorably mention
[00:50] MycatgoesMow: Pure Power and Huge Power both double the Attack stat
[00:50] MycatgoesMow: but Pure Power sounds cooler
[00:50] MycatgoesMow: so I like it more
[00:51] SCOTU42: is there a drawback to that?
[00:51] MycatgoesMow: not in any way
[00:51] MycatgoesMow: well
[00:51] SCOTU42: hm
[00:51] MycatgoesMow: Huge Power has 1 drawback
[00:51] MycatgoesMow: the Pokemon that gets it is Azumarill
[00:51] SCOTU42: LOL
[00:51] MycatgoesMow: because it was introduced in the new game
[00:52] MycatgoesMow: it can't get both Huge Power and Belly Drum
[00:52] MycatgoesMow: which is too bad because it CAN get Aqua Jet
[00:52] MycatgoesMow: and if that combo were legal it would easily be the most threatening pokemon in the game no question
[00:52] MycatgoesMow: which would have been awesome
[00:53] SCOTU42: which combo?
[00:53] MycatgoesMow: but alas nintendo didn't fully hate its consumers by april 2007
[00:53] MycatgoesMow: huge power and belly drum is illegal
[00:53] MycatgoesMow: you need the older games to get belly drum but then it can't get huge power as an ability
[00:53] MycatgoesMow: only 1 or the other
[00:53] SCOTU42: dam
[00:54] SCOTU42: doesn't belly drum like, max attack or something?
[00:54] MycatgoesMow: somewhere between april 2007 and march 2008, nintendo decided it hated everyone
[00:54] MycatgoesMow: as is evident with Brawl
[00:54] MycatgoesMow: yes
[00:54] MycatgoesMow: and I can prove that nintendo hates its consumers now because they gave Scizor Bullet Punch
[00:54] MycatgoesMow: which is effectively the same thing but not nearly as cool
[00:55] SCOTU42: i'm not following that logic
[00:55] SCOTU42: namely cause i looked into competitive pokemon for like a day
[00:55] MycatgoesMow: if the combo for azumarill were legal, it would ruin the game
[00:55] MycatgoesMow: so they didn't do it
[00:55] MycatgoesMow: if they gave scizor bullet punch, it would ruin the game
[00:56] MycatgoesMow: and they did
[00:56] MycatgoesMow: so somwhere in there, nintendo decided that they hated everyone
[00:56] SCOTU42: how does scizor's bullet punch ruin the game?
[00:57] MycatgoesMow: 394 attack + life orb modifier (x 1.3) = 591 Attack, Bullet Punch = 40 base power * Technician bonus = 60 base power * STAB = 90 base power
[00:57] MycatgoesMow: 591 attack into a 90 power move that always goes first
[00:57] MycatgoesMow: scizor has 1 weakness
[00:57] MycatgoesMow: fire
[00:57] MycatgoesMow: which is easily avoidable
[00:57] MycatgoesMow: and an instant recover move, roost, to remove accumulating recoil damage
[00:58] MycatgoesMow: it can also swords dance against almost any non-fire move, or make it's attack stat 591 * 2 and then proceed to OHKO every pokemon after that, attacking before they can
[00:59] MycatgoesMow: it is literally the perfect sweeper
[00:59] SCOTU42: damm
[00:59] SCOTU42: so what does competitive pokemon do about that?
[01:00] MycatgoesMow: abuse it
[01:00] MycatgoesMow: every team has it
[01:00] MycatgoesMow: it's the most used pokemon by a LARGE margin
[01:00] MycatgoesMow: it ruined the game
[01:00] MycatgoesMow: which is why I'm citing it as evidence as to why nintendo hates it consumers
[01:00] SCOTU42: how do you counter that?
[01:02] MycatgoesMow: heh
[01:02] MycatgoesMow: ok
[01:02] MycatgoesMow: scizor has 1 counter
[01:02] MycatgoesMow: heatran
[01:02] MycatgoesMow: it 4x resists bullet punch, outspeeds it, and OHKOs scizor
[01:02] MycatgoesMow: it was basically designed to destroy it
[01:02] MycatgoesMow: so people use both
[01:03] MycatgoesMow: where they bait a fire attack
[01:03] MycatgoesMow: because you need fire to beat it
[01:03] MycatgoesMow: NEED
[01:03] MycatgoesMow: then on that turn, switch to heatran
[01:03] MycatgoesMow: heatran, when hit by fire, is immune to it, but instead gains a boost to it fire attacks
[01:03] MycatgoesMow: the combo is incredibly ****
[01:03] MycatgoesMow: now you say
[01:04] MycatgoesMow: "what do people do to beat this?" but I've already made clear that nintendo hates it consu yes?
[01:04] SCOTU42: LOL
[01:04] SCOTU42: hahaha
[01:05] MycatgoesMow: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1654436&postcount=2
[01:05] MycatgoesMow: check the first list
[01:05] MycatgoesMow: standard usage for the ranked ladder
[01:05] MycatgoesMow: tell me what you observe about the rankings
[01:05] SCOTU42: i see
[01:05] SCOTU42: ****/counterrape
[01:06] MycatgoesMow: nintendo hates its consumers
[01:06] SCOTU42: only salamence comes close to that usage
[01:06] MycatgoesMow: ahh
[01:06] MycatgoesMow: and that's only because the new game breaks salamence as well
[01:07] MycatgoesMow: same thing with scizor, except replace swords dance technician bullet punch with dragon dance outrage
[01:07] MycatgoesMow: and note that his typing resists fire, so he doesn't lose to heatran immediately
[01:07] MycatgoesMow: it's almost like a circle jerk
[01:07] SCOTU42: wow
[01:07] SCOTU42: rps much?
[01:08] MycatgoesMow: the game was very balanced when released in april 2007
[01:08] MycatgoesMow: but nintendo got a demon full of razor blades up its *** sometime since then
[01:08] MycatgoesMow: even I find ****ting on smash and pokemon in the same year to be a daunting task
[01:08] MycatgoesMow: but they did it
[01:09] SCOTU42: is there anything that's fire, but ***** heatran?
[01:09] SCOTU42: like, bait the heatran switch
[01:09] MycatgoesMow: yes
[01:09] SCOTU42: ****
[01:10] MycatgoesMow: and you'll love the answer
[01:10] MycatgoesMow: heatran itself
[01:10] SCOTU42: HA
[01:10] SCOTU42: gehy
[01:10] MycatgoesMow: because it has boosted fire attacks and immunity to fire
[01:10] MycatgoesMow: people switch heatran into heatran
[01:10] MycatgoesMow: to take the boosted fire attacks
[01:10] MycatgoesMow: then it has a move that OHKOs itself that isn't fire
[01:11] MycatgoesMow: so its best counter is actually itself
[01:11] MycatgoesMow: good job nintendo
[01:11] SCOTU42: its like... metaknight...
[01:11] MycatgoesMow: MK can't OHKO himself
[01:11] MycatgoesMow: to be fair
[01:12] SCOTU42: fair enough
[01:12] MycatgoesMow: it's like
[01:12] MycatgoesMow: heatran = MK
[01:12] MycatgoesMow: and scizor = snake
[01:12] MycatgoesMow: if no heatran, scizor wins
[01:12] MycatgoesMow: if heatran, counter with heatran
[01:12] MycatgoesMow: applied directly to smash, it still works with MK and snake
[01:12] MycatgoesMow: it's almost like it was done by the same people....
[01:13] SCOTU42: yeah...
[01:13] MycatgoesMow: salamence is DDD
[01:13] MycatgoesMow: he does the same **** over and over but it's so good that it beats almost the entire rest of the cast anyway
[01:14] SCOTU42: lolwow
[01:14] SCOTU42: that's too parallel
[01:15] MycatgoesMow: the people at nintendo are so deep
 
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haha the similarities are hilarious
*goes to put heatran on my team with my scizor*

but i actually used scizor b4 he could learn bullet punch!
(translation: but i mained mk b4 everyone though he was the best and i like him in the kirby games!)
 
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I lol'd the whole way through.
Way to go, Nintendo.
Now I'm going to load my team with heatrans, scizors, and skymins. Who needs strategy anymore?:laugh:
 
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As a grouchy-but-loyal Nintendo fanboy, in the company's defense, Nintendo had nothing to do with any of that; Game Freak did.

And how is Brawl's MK any different than Melee's Mar-- Wait wait, no Melee vs. Brawl arguements. lol

Really, I'm telling you guys, this is just a storm of bad games right now (Discounting a select few, like Glaxy and Brawl [at least, IMO]). After Nintendo rakes in all the proceeds from their exploitation, they're going to make the best game the world's ever scene. I'm telling you.

THE BEGINNING IS UPON US.
 
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Zook said:
As a grouchy-but-loyal Nintendo fanboy, in the company's defense, Nintendo had nothing to do with any of that; Game Freak did.

And how is Brawl's MK any different than Melee's Mar-- Wait wait, no Melee vs. Brawl arguements. lol

Really, I'm telling you guys, this is just a storm of bad games right now (Discounting a select few, like Glaxy and Brawl [at least, IMO]). After Nintendo rakes in all the proceeds from their exploitation, they're going to make the best game the world's ever scene. I'm telling you.

THE BEGINNING IS UPON US.
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You know what's better than waiting around hoping Nintendo stops sucking? If they just stopped sucking without the wait.
 
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I used Scizor before it was cool!

Technician, Life Orb

-Quick Attack
-Sword Dance
-X scissor
-brick break

But yeah, Platnum broke a few pokemon. Hopefully we'll shift them into Ubers soon so we can move on with our lives and use awesome pokes like Azumarill!

I'm really not that offended by Salamenace though, just because he's destroyed by everything with ice shard or ice in general.
 
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Azumarill can get Huge Power Belly Drum. It can't get Aqua Jet + Belly Drum, though, which is very disappointing. But then again I <3 Azu, so I'd be defensive about him, if no one else.

Linoone would still be more powerful, but being walled by steels is ********. You could patch it up by giving it a Chople Berry and using Natural Gift. 2 uses: helps it get off a Belly Drum and gets rid of steels trying to wall him.

....This obviously isn't the place to theorymon lol

amazing thread, I just wanted to point out that little detail
 
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@ Umbreon: I do hope you know that Meta Knight and Snake aren't completely dominating Brawl tourneys anymore. MK is still ahead of everyone else by a huge margin, but Snake has dropped considerably. In fact, Falco has more wins last month than Snake.
 
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