Down B while recovering

[Retroking2000]

I've noticed a couple of players using foxs shine at the right moment as a way of stopping momentum, and then jump out of the shine and phantasm back. I was wondering if this strategy has actually been shown to work, and if so, what's the right time to activate the shine to stop the momentum from a hit/smash etc. by stopping momentum in general? Especially when horizontal movement towards the abyss is not desired..

anyway wanted to know if its used by the fox community and if there is any other uses for it
thankyou

 

[Giggidax]

umm yes this has been proven to work under several occasions. i myself use this move and have tested its use-ability (i dont think thats a real word). ive first witnessed this technique in a bombsoldier video.

this works for fox as well as falco too

 

[SCOTU]

use it after you cc or ground something hard-hitting. so it goes Hit>start flying>shine very quickly>jump>recover

 

[RaynEX]

you can also use this if you CC something off a platform. this technique has saved me from many an fsmash at high %s on small stages like yoshis, especially off platforms.

 

[Imperial Wraith]

As long as your not tumbling i THINK it works. Which means if you wiggled the stick really quickly, self righted and countered you could survive quite a while in theory. But i don't know how quickly you can self right yourself, so in reality I have no idea. I thinks its worth investigating though.

 

[Silent Wolf]

If you have enough time, do an uair or dair immediately after your jump to bring you much closer to the stage. Depends on how low you are for which one to use. Don't do this with bair, uair is 2 hits and is always better for bringing you back further. Just never try this with fair, nair or bair.

 

[RaynEX]

Am I missing something? DJ then do a random aerial? this helps bring you closer to the stage how exactly?

Isn't that a perfect way to suicide?

 

[shinkazenokizzu]

i never used the down b while recovering with fox in melee, i did it in ssb but now i will try to add it to my strats in melee

 

[Silent Wolf]

Am I missing something? DJ then do a random aerial? this helps bring you closer to the stage how exactly?

Isn't that a perfect way to suicide?

If you uair right, you dont even lose any height, you juts gain distance horizontally. with the dair you lose a bit of height, but the horizontal profit is worth it. you have to be fast tho

 

[RaynEX]

so its like extends your DJ reach? Your joking?!

How did i not know this...lol i need to see a vid where some pro compares the differences. It seems ridiculous. I've never seen this in videos...or anywhere tbh.

 

[SCOTU]

As long as your not tumbling i THINK it works. Which means if you wiggled the stick really quickly, self righted and countered you could survive quite a while in theory. But i don't know how quickly you can self right yourself, so in reality I have no idea. I thinks its worth investigating though.

wiggling (aka air teching) doesn't break you out of tumble faster than a shine. in fact, the shine is the fastest way to break tumble (tied w/ DJ). Out of a tumble your options are DJ, B move, air tech.

so its like extends your DJ reach? Your joking?!

1: How did i not know this...lol 2: i need to see a vid where some pro compares the differences. It seems ridiculous. 3: I've never seen this in videos...or anywhere tbh.

1. It's easy to not know something about this game. all you have to do is not be M2K.
2. Just try it yourself. you'll also see stuff like this for sheik's fair, and GAW's Fair and other quick moves elsewhere in other characters, just doesn't get talked about too much w/ fox because it seems suicidal.
3. You've clearly never seen SW's set against Ka-Master he put up a while ago.

 

[RaynEX]

well not the whole thing...

I saw that match where he got 4 stocked though ^^. I'll try that it out then I guess Scotu.

 

[Giggidax]

i never used the down b while recovering with fox in melee, i did it in ssb but now i will try to add it to my strats in melee

why did u use fox's shine while recovering in SSB? u cant jump cancel the shine in SSB.....


also, i did not know about the shine>aerial recovery, Silent Wolf.
i use sheik's fair to recover sometimes, i wasnt sure if it actually helped but it seemed like it did.
ill have to look into it.

 

[RaynEX]

i've tried and tested it. Many times...with Shiek too.

I've found it actually does give you a bit more distance than just D.i.+DJing would. SW thanks for man.

 

[Aeth]

I have testet it too , It works pretty well

 

[Druggedfox]

Wow, I didnt know that either. Possibly cuz im not mew2king, but thats for a different discussion lol. Then again, most people prolly dont do it fast enough anyway. And @ SW, I saw you do shine >> Side-b with fox against luigi, and know it is one of my fave combos in the game. I think I accidentally did it against marth because I was playing against luigi all day lol. And though this has been answered multiple times, yes shine helps you when recovering XD.

Peace

 

[RaynEX]

I love this move. I use it all the time now. <3

 

[_Phloat_]

why did u use fox's shine while recovering in SSB? u cant jump cancel the shine in SSB.....


also, i did not know about the shine>aerial recovery, Silent Wolf.
i use sheik's fair to recover sometimes, i wasnt sure if it actually helped but it seemed like it did.
ill have to look into it.

In ssb the properties are a little different, It seems to put an imaginary platform under you fir a split second, during which horizontal movement causes little to no verticle loss..

The difference is negligible though.

 

[RaynEX]

thats weird. Wish it worked that way in ssbm. ^^

 

[Silent Wolf]

why did u use fox's shine while recovering in SSB? u cant jump cancel the shine in SSB.....


also, i did not know about the shine>aerial recovery, Silent Wolf.
i use sheik's fair to recover sometimes, i wasnt sure if it actually helped but it seemed like it did.
ill have to look into it.

I don't shine before the aerial recovery. I'm not sure if it helps really.
Only shine when you are still moving out there fast.

 

[Druggedfox]

Did u aerial recovery in your new matches against ka master? If you did I was too lazy to notice O.o lol.

Peace

 

[Silent Wolf]

I did it a few times in the last minute of this match vs him:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MzGZ74w8pUw
I shouldn't have used the dair there, but I didn't realize I was so close to the stage.

 

[Druggedfox]

Thanks =). Lol at dair. Awesome shine to side-b once again =).

Peace