Donbe, with or without Hikari

[The Basement Dweller]

No. Just no.

 

[parrothead]

That rumor about Sakurai and the SSBB staff replacing Mr. Game & Watch and the Ice Climbers with Ridley, Bowser JR., and today's Young Link is very similar to the minds of people who want more overrated characters and no extremely-obscure characters.

If this forum was about Adult Cartoon All*Stars, then many people would prefer overrated ones (like Family Guy, ATHF, and South Park) over obscure ones (like the Critic and Cartoon Sushi).

And if this forum was about Anime All*Stars, then many people would prefer overrated ones (like DragonBall/Z/GT, Inuyasha, Naruto, and FMA) over obscure ones (like Kinnikuman, Kakuto Ryori Densetsu Bistro Recipe, and Colorful).

Super Smash Bros. is about many Nintendo characters in different sizes, colors, and shapes, not just overrated ones.

 

[SupaSmashBrotha]

Those Cartoon/Anime shows you named deserve to be overrated. And also Wii's whole concept is breaking the line between casual and hardcore gamers. So I don't think they will add a bunch of crappy chars whose games you have to order off the internet and they're still in japanese.

 

[NukeA6]

Those Cartoon/Anime shows you named deserve to be overrated.

Not DBZ. It go so overrated that it started sucking.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Those Cartoon/Anime shows you named deserve to be overrated. And also Wii's whole concept is breaking the line between casual and hardcore gamers. So I don't think they will add a bunch of crappy chars whose games you have to order off the internet and they're still in japanese.

And just who do you think you are to decide whether or not they're crappy characters? Who made you god of games? Anyway, parrothead is right. Most people I've seen here only support the most popular and obvious choices. You're completely ignoring some of the best choices, just because they aren't the most popular character from a huge franchise. If you don't have a legitimate reason why they wouldn't work in Brawl, other than 'they suck' or 'they're from japan' then don't say they won't work.

 

[FlipTroopa]

Look.

Did you know who Ness was?

Did you even remember Samus?

Did have any frigging clue who those "Japanese anime dudes that look like chicks" were?




Sakurai has proven to us TWICE already, with two games, that POPULAR OPINION DOESN'T ****ING MATTER. How is that hard to understand?

 

[SupaSmashBrotha]

Look.

Did you know who Ness was?

Did you even remember Samus?

Did have any frigging clue who those "Japanese anime dudes that look like chicks" were?




Sakurai has proven to us TWICE already, with two games, that POPULAR OPINION DOESN'T ****ING MATTER. How is that hard to understand?

Roy and Marth were just experiments apart of Nintendo's old Japanese formula and Ness was brought in b/c every1 felt that Earthbound was overlooked and way ahead of it's time so they gave him a chance; additionally, Earthbound was also released in the U.S., unlike this game.

P.S. Who doesn't no freakin know Samus.

 

[icymatt]

There will be characters that are obscure. It's just the way of the developers, they delight in surprising us.

 

[FlipTroopa]

Roy and Marth were just experiments apart of Nintendo's old Japanese formula and Ness was brought in b/c every1 felt that Earthbound was overlooked and way ahead of it's time so they gave him a chance; additionally, Earthbound was also released in the U.S., unlike this game.

P.S. Who doesn't no freakin know Samus.

Um, people who first played Super Smash Bros. back in 1999, who had never played Metroid, Metroid II, or Super Metroid. AKA a LOT of people. Samus was an obscure addition in that game. She was only brought back after Melee to super stardom.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Look.

Did you know who Ness was?

Did you even remember Samus?

Did have any frigging clue who those "Japanese anime dudes that look like chicks" were?




Sakurai has proven to us TWICE already, with two games, that POPULAR OPINION DOESN'T ****ING MATTER. How is that hard to understand?

Excellent points. Sakurai has even said himself that he isn't interested in adding only very popular characters.

 

[parrothead]

If it was about P.C. Game All*Stars, then many people would prefer overrated ones (like WoW, Maple Story, and Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion) over obscure ones (like Titanic: Adventure Out of Time, the Trophy Bass franchise, and Outpost 1 and 2).

If it was about Disney All*Stars, then many people would prefer overrated ones (like The Nightmare Before Christmas, Finding Nemo, Monsters Inc., Toy Story, The Lion King, DuckTales, Darkwing Duck, etc.) over obscure ones (like The Brave Little Toaster and the Herbie the Love Bug series). I'm not into Disney at all, but I'm just saying.

And if it was about Fast Food All*Stars, then many people would prefer overrated ones (like Chick-Fil-A, Taco Bell, and Burger King) over obscure ones (like Central Park, Captain D's, and Steak'N'Shake).

 

[HiddenTiger]

Thanks for that, Parrothead, but I think we get it.

 

[GenG]

Even, I don't think all characters should make in. Let's make a franchise list and put them in order of importance to Nintendo in Japan. Surely, Shin oni ga Shima would be right behind many others like Famicom Detective, yet I can't see a single Famicom Detective character in Smash.

Come'on, Smash isn't a contest to put off the most obscure character in Nintendo history. I know Donbe, as well Shin Oni ga Shima, and I can think about dozens and dozens characters that should make it before Donbe. He doesn't amazes me. Takamaru does. Balloon Fighter does. Geno and Little Mac does.

Underrated doesn't mean win. There are exceptions. I hate random threads based on a minor character anyway, but it's not the case.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Listen. I'm not saying put him in because he's obscure. Truth be told, I wouldn't want so see Donbe in over a more deserving character. I'm just trying to voice my opinions and ideas here. I do think he would make a good character, but I also think that Geno, Little Mac and Balloon Fighter would too. It's just an idea.

 

[GenG]

Yeah, talk about deserving spots. But the usual "overlooked characters are better" rambling annoys me.

The more ideas, the better.

 

[FlipTroopa]

See, both of you are one a really good track. And a smart one. Thanks for setting things straight for people who read this topic, or any other for that matter.

It's not that people like parrothead are saying "let's make brawl all about obscure characters," it's that those people, myself included, are saying "yes, we could have a game with ganondorf and waluigi and falco; that'd be cool. but how about THIS guy as well?"

It's just ideas and suggestions. Smash would be really boring if they ditched characters like Ness and Captain Falcon for more Mario and Zelda fighters. Yes, they'll get first dibs in the end, but they need to share their seats with people like Little Mac and Takamaru too. It's ALL of Nintendo, not just the popular bits. But at the same time, it's not the obscure and forgotten ones either. It's a happy medium. And people can't assume that the addition of, for example, Geno is a terrible one, especially if you have no idea who he is or where he's from. Sit back and be patient; you KNOW it's gonna be a **** fine game. You KNOW it.


And on an aside: I don't know so much if someone like Takamaru or Little Mac or whatever would be considered "obscure" so much as just "not well known." Punch-Out is still recognizable, and many gamers know who Mac is. He's not in any newer games, and he's not readily on everyone's mind, but he's not obscure. And then in the case of like Takamaru or Stafy, they're only obscure to US audiences. Elsewhere, they're just as well known as Pikachu. So I'm not slapping wrists here or anything, just trying to point out that we are giving a misnomer to some deserving characters who are in fact NOT obscure, just not in the mainstream anymore or simply Japan-only. If you wanna talk obscure, then you need to look for characters like Sky Skipper, Swamp Thing, etc. etc. Stuff that people really don't recall, or hardly new existed. Because, well, we KNOW Punch-Out exists. And, if we were Japanese, we'd definitely know about Stafy and Takamaru.

 

[HiddenTiger]

It's not that people like parrothead are saying "let's make brawl all about obscure characters," it's that those people, myself included, are saying "yes, we could have a game with ganondorf and waluigi and falco; that'd be cool. but how about THIS guy as well?"

Thank you for explaining that. I couldn't have said it better myself. Now then, how about Donbe as well?

 

[parrothead]

Even, I don't think all characters should make in. Let's make a franchise list and put them in order of importance to Nintendo in Japan. Surely, Shin oni ga Shima would be right behind many others like Famicom Detective, yet I can't see a single Famicom Detective character in Smash.

Come'on, Smash isn't a contest to put off the most obscure character in Nintendo history. I know Donbe, as well Shin Oni ga Shima, and I can think about dozens and dozens characters that should make it before Donbe. He doesn't amazes me. Takamaru does. Balloon Fighter does. Geno and Little Mac does.

Underrated doesn't mean win. There are exceptions. I hate random threads based on a minor character anyway, but it's not the case.

Shall we make the Nintendo franchise list now, GenG? We know the most important franchise is Mario, but the least would perhaps be either Uniracers (Unirally in Europe), Yuu Yuu Kii (which parodizes the DragonBall anime series), or titles about board games and casino games like Vegas Stakes and Othello.

 

[GenG]

Ok, we should. Some franchises do better or worse in Japan compared do the US (ex. Metroid is underrated) so it could be interesting.

 

[SupaSmashBrotha]

I still say no. There's a reason they were a trophy and not characters. B/C they would not be accepted well by the American public. Which Nintendo really needs to get on their side, seeing as other than Japan is the highest consumer market of video games.

 

[parrothead]

Ok, we should. Some franchises do better or worse in Japan compared do the US (ex. Metroid is underrated) so it could be interesting.

Shall we add the most important reasons to each franchise? It'll take time and space to do that.

 

[HiddenTiger]

I still say no. There's a reason they were a trophy and not characters. B/C they would not be accepted well by the American public. Which Nintendo really needs to get on their side, seeing as other than Japan is the highest consumer market of video games.

That has got to be one of the worst arguments I've heard in a while. What makes you think that Nintendo, a Japan-based company would design its game to cater to the likes and dislikes of potential customers in another country? Smash Bros and every Nintendo game, heck most non-Nintendo games are Japanese first. Meaning, guess what? Japan gets first dibs on what goes in its games. Sorry to break it to you.

 

[SupaSmashBrotha]

Is that why they've decided to for a world-wide release date for the Wii. It almost seems as if Nintendo is trying to cater to every1. Sorry to break it to you.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Is that why they've decided to for a world-wide release date for the Wii. It almost seems as if Nintendo is trying to cater to every1. Sorry to break it to you.

You still don't get it, do you? Regardless of where its being released and when, it still is a Japanese game first. Sakurai gets to decide who he wants in his own game. Not the general public from another country.

 

[SupaSmashBrotha]

Like this thread.

 

[HiddenTiger]

What's that even supposed to mean?

 

[SupaSmashBrotha]

You still don't get it, do you? Regardless of where its being released and when, it still is a Japanese game first. Sakurai gets to decide who he wants in his own game. Not the general public from another country.

You just made your own thread void. Second of all, Nintendo is a business and the idea for them to just make games for one country and expect to make a profit is just stupid.

 

[HiddenTiger]

You just made your own thread void. Second of all, Nintendo is a business and the idea for them to just make games for one country and expect to make a profit is just stupid.

I didn't void this thread. I'm not trying to influence Sakurai at all with this thread. Anybody who thinks that they can use this website to affect the final roster of Brawl definately has a suprise coming their way. I was simply trying to open a discussion about Donbe, and how he may work in Smash, not force him into the game. Also, I'm not saying that the game needs to be made for only one country, but there is absolutely no need to completely ignore the biggest gaming community on the planet, wouldn't you agree?

 

[SupaSmashBrotha]

Yes, I agree. I think it was just some misunderstanding. I should have said that if Nintendo wanted more new gamers that there a lot more ppl in America than in Japan that don't own Nintendo consoles anymore. So maybe they could add some characters that are more familiar to ppl in America so that they do get that new audience as to just making it for ppl who already have made up their minds to buy a Wii and other Nintendo products.

P.S. Even though I don't support Donbe, I also wouldn't be mad if I saw him in the game.

 

[HiddenTiger]

Yes, I agree. I think it was just some misunderstanding. I should have said that if Nintendo wanted more new gamers that there a lot more ppl in America than in Japan that don't own Nintendo consoles anymore. So maybe they could add some characters that are more familiar to ppl in America so that they do get that new audience as to just making it for ppl who already have made up their minds to buy a Wii and other Nintendo products.

P.S. Even though I don't support Donbe, I also wouldn't be mad if I saw him in the game.

Alright, then. Glad we got that out of the way. Also, as to what you said about familiar characters, I think that the Donbe and Hikari trophy in Melee may help with that. I mean, anybody who's played Melee to completion would recognize him, and to anybody else he could be another Marth/Roy: a surprise character.

 

[parrothead]

I'm not really saying "Let SSBB have no overrated characters". I'm just saying "Give some characters that are very obscure in America a turn, as well as some Japan-Only ones and ones that came to two countries/continents".

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

I'm not really saying "Let SSBB have no overrated characters". I'm just saying "Give some characters that are very obscure in America a turn, as well as some Japan-Only ones and ones that came to two countries/continents".

Way to forget the PAL regions

Some Japanese characters will make it in, there is a very good chance of that. I hope he adds some characters only from the Western World (John Raimi , Tin Star, and Mike Jones)

Anyway, I'm all for Donbe and/or Hikari

 

[Brawlmatt202]

I think it's be a neat idea, though I'd like to know more about the two charfacters.

 

[parrothead]

Donbe and Hikari made a cameo appearance in Kirby's Dream Land 3:

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Donbe and Hikari made a cameo appearance in Kirby's Dream Land 3:

Whoa, sweet!

...I suppose I should also take the time now to show the Shin Oni Ga Shima Wikipedia article I created. It's been edited by Parrothead a little.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Oni_Ga_Shima

 

[parrothead]

*bump*

No matter how hard I support lesser-known (but unique and interesting) Nintendo characters, most people would still firmly stick to the most successful and most popular ones.

Here is a video of the Super Famicom version of Shin Oni Ga Shima:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCgRcSn5foI

 

[Brawlmatt202]

*bump*

No matter how hard I support lesser-known (but unique and interesting) Nintendo characters, most people would still firmly stick to the most successful and most popular ones.

Here is a video of the Super Famicom version of Shin Oni Ga Shima:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCgRcSn5foI

Didn't Sakurai say he wanted lesser-known characters in Brawl, because only popular characters would be "boring"?

In any case, I agree.

Alos, nice find!

 

[parrothead]

Didn't Sakurai say he wanted lesser-known characters in Brawl, because only popular characters would be "boring"?

In any case, I agree.

Alos, nice find!

Well, he's probably going to pick the least-overlooked ones before the most-overlooked ones.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Well, he's probably going to pick the least-overlooked ones before the most-overlooked ones.

Huh?

Uhh, like who?

 

[parrothead]

Huh?

Uhh, like who?

Examples of...

LEAST OVERLOOKED: Ness, Marth, Ice Climbers, Stafy, etc.

MOST OVERLOOKED: Tin Star, Mike Jones (StarTropics), Alice (Balloon Kid), DeMille, etc.