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Doktur Sea's List of my Picks for Brawl of Doom

DokturSea

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Yes, I asked McFox if I could do this and I got a big ol "yes". And hey, if he can pull this off, what's there to say I can't do it just as well? I might be opening up the proverbial can of worms by doing so, but hey, I'm bored, and I'd like to get my opinions out there.

This, my friends, is my top ten list for Brawl Characters. Yeah, I have a small webpage located in my signature where I have this, but this thread will give more thought-out
reasons. I have thoroughly (sp?) thought this entire list through and I have my reasons for them all. You might know some of my opinions, you might not. Either way, you'll more than likely know them once you've read through this post.

So I need to throw something out there. Thsi is my list. MY list. I will gladly except any criticism on it, but no, "OMG Y DID U PUT X CHARAKTUR ON THUR??????? HE SUX SOOOO MUSH!!!!!!" I really don't like immaturity, so I'd like the most mature posts possible. I know, it's a lot to ask and it's a request that more than likely won't be met, but meh.

OK, let's do this thang.

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1. Skull Kid
Ah yes, the Skull Kid. My all time numero uno pick for Brawl. I saw him suggested on some random website a few months ago (before Brawl was announced) and I absolutely LOVED the idea. LOVED it. I adore the creepy factor Skull Kid has and would bring to his gameplay. The lack of visible emotions just gets to me and I think it'd be the coolest thing ever. Plus, he has so much potential for a moveset. He's got two fairys, who could easily be used for something, a blowgun, magical powers, and, a suggestion brought up by McFox, tentacles. And for "all" of you who want Majora *shudders* in the game as its own characters, consider this. The Skull Kid wears Majora on his face. He could have all of Majora's powers and look better pulling them off. A win/win situation, I think.

Skull Kid vs Vaati
Ugh...Vaati. Some of you may know that I DESPISE the idea of Vaati being in the game. Hate. And not just because most Vaati supporters rag on Skullie. I mean, that pisses me off and everything, but it's just the fact that Vaati hasn't really DONE anything. Want reasons?

~Vaati has appeared in three games. Skullie has appeared in one. OK, seems fair, but you're forgetting one thing. Skullie appeared in the sequel to Ocarina of freaking Time, a game that is generally regarded as the best game to ever have been created. Vaati has appeared in some random handheld Zelda games that haven't been all that popular (or so it seems to me). All three seem to be games Nintendo just whipped up to boost sales. Majora's Mask was a very important Zelda game and tons of people played it, therefore making Skull Kid a little more famous.

~Vaati, to me, seems to really have been someone Nintendo just pulled out of their butt as an alternative villan to Ganondorf. He just...appeared one day. In Four Swords, it was just like "Oh no, this guy stole Zelda! He's bad...really..." You knew and still know nothing about him. Skull Kid, on the other hand, has a backstory. You meet him in Ocarina of Time and he's got an INCREDIBLE storyline in Majora Mask. Also, its been reported that he's also appeared in a Twilight Princess trailer, although I've never seen him myself.

~Skull Kid is just all around cooler. I know that sounds very opinionated, but really, look at them...





I'm sorry, but in the coolness department, Skull Kid has Vaati beat. Not really in looks, he just is. :)

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2. Bowser Jr.

There is WAAAAY too much Bowser Jr hate on this forum. Waaay too much. And I honestly can't see where it's stemming from. I think for one, he's adorable, and two, he'd bring a great style of gameplay to Brawl. And no, I'm not for some crappy Shadow Mario transformation. Although that IS one of his defining traits, no thanks. And let me just shoot something in the mouth right now, Bowser Jr would in NO WAY be a clone of Bowser. He has a FREAKING MAGIC PAINT BRUSH. Please, show me which moves Bowser uses that involve a magic paintbrush. And yes, Kyrstal also has a staff and yes, I think she's has priority over Bowser Jr, but it's Bowser's son, and he deserves some credit. With a mixture of staff-based fighting and paint-powers (wow, that was lame...paint powers?), he'd be a totally original and unique character.

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3. Duck Hunt Dog

Yep. Duck Hunt Dog, the dog from Duck Hunt, in case you didn't get that. If I had a "signature" wanter character, DHD is probably it. Also known here as "Laughing Dog", I think DHD would be PERFECT for Brawl. I started the support thread here kind of as a joke, but the more I thought about it, the more it seemed like an awesome idea. I think the worst arugments against him that I've heard are these two...

notftomearth7 said:
I think honestly, that people have forgoten about the duck hunt franchise altogether.
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The Basement Dweller said:
They would have to edit him to much and he would be an awkward charcter. He won't fit in Brawl.
Well, the first one is just stupid. Either you've played Duck Hunt, or you haven't. But no one's forgotten it. It was on the same cartridge as Super Mario Bros for cryin' out loud! It wasone of Nintendo's most popular games! Plus, there was even a Duck Hunt trophey in Melee (which lacked in the DHD department, though)

As for the second one, I didn't know they had "too much editing" when it came to the inclusion in Brawl. Yeah, he'd probably have to be in 3D and they might even make him walk on two legs, but um, hello, Pit, maybe? And the "not fitting" thing is just bull****. I think we can all agree that argument holds absolutly no water.

For more information on Duck Hunt Dog, check out my Duck Hunt Dog Thread.

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4. Toad

Toad is my absolute favorite Mario character, next to Wario. And I'm tired of his exclusion in SSB. He deserves a spot as a fighter, not a B move and a background NPC. He has so much potential for a moveset and is oh so recognizable. I could sit here and argue all the common anti-Toad statements, but I think digifreak642 said it best...

digifreak642 said:
Point: Toad is a generic character.
Counter Point: There is one Toad that is believed to be THE Toad (SMB2, Mario Kart, etc.)
Point: Toad is Peach's B-move.
CP: That can easily be replaced by Toadsworth or Perry, Peach's umbrella.
Point: Toad is a filler character and has no big roles.
CP: Toad was playable in SMB2, had a huge part in Mario Party, and was the main character for Wario's Woods.
Point: Geno is more deserving.
CP: Geno had only one big role in one game, and he may be 3rd party.
Point: But Geno was in SuperStar Saga.
CP: Toad was PLAYABLE in SuperStar Saga.
Point: There are too many Mario characters.
CP: The Mario series is the flagship series for Nintendo. Plus, Wario, DK, and maybe even Yoshi don't count as a Mario character.
Point: Why Toad? Why not Waluigi, Daisy, or Birdo?
CP: Toad was part of the 'big 8' and is the only character from Mario Kart 64 not to be in Smash yet.
Point: Toad isn't a fighter! He is a weakling!
CP: Toad was the strongest character in SMB2 out of Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Toad. In the game, he killed shy guys and other creatures.
Point: Just because he killed shy guys doesn't mean that he is a fighter.
CP: Other characters have not had a fighting backround before Smash either.
Point: Toad wouldn't have an original moveset.
CP: An example B moveset: B natural: Throw star. B left/right: Bazooka. B down: (Peach's move with shyguys and other things.) B up: Suprise from SMB3
Point: Toad is way too small and light.
CP: It's called resizing. And, in Mario Kart 64, Yosh in Toad were in the same weight class. Yoshi is not the heaviest in Smash.
Point: Toad has an annoying voice.
CP: Use it to taunt your enemies.
Point: Why can't he be the tutorial guide?
CP: Toad fans want more than that. Toad deserves better than that..
Point: Toad sux.
CP: If you don't like him, don't play as him.
*applause* Everything the man says is true.

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5. King DeDeDe

So we've reached the almighty King of Dreamland, have we? This penguin kicks ***. And really, he's as good as confirmed. He was meant to be in SSB64, he was the number one choice for Melee, and is now the number one choice for Brawl. In addition, Kirby needs more representation, because Kirby and Metaknight alone aren't cutting it. I still don't get how Metaknight, a minor boss, made it in before DeDeDe, the main character/boss in many of the Kirby games. Plus, he's a penguin. With a hammer.

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6. Ridley

Now, I'm not really a fan of the Metroid series. I don't have anything against the games, I've just never played any of them (well, I played Hunters for the DS for about five minutes...but I didn't know what I was doing, so I quit). But apparenly Ridley has appeared in all of them except for two. I know almost nothing about him except for the fact that he looks AMAZINGLY cool and holds EXTREME potential for a unique moveset. And please, none of this "HEZ WAI 2 BIG!!!!!!!" crap. Do I need to whip out the Boswer-Size argument? Ridely could be simply scaled down and he wouldn't look awkward at all.

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7. Tom Nook

Yes. Tom Nook. Not the Animal Crossing main character. Nook. I think Nook is more of a mascot of the Animal Crossing series than the human player by far. And he could use the things he sells (Shovel, Sligshot, Net, Fishing Rod, Umbrella) as attacks, which would be awesome. Just imagine a walking, talking Racoon whipping out a fishing rod and starting to smack a Pikachu around with it. Yes, pretty bad@$$. I honestly think that most of the hate for Nook out there comes from the fact that people haven't played Animal Crossing. It's a good game that NEEDS good representation. Of course, that's not really the reason I want Nook in. I just want to start smacking people around with a shovel. A freaking SHOVEL.

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8. TwinRova(IC-Type Duo)


Ah yes, my wild card of the top ten. Most people haven't even considered them for Brawl, but in my opinion, they'd be the BEST IC-Type Duo possible. For those who don't know, TwinRova is the final boss (excluding Ganondorf) from Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time. One, obviously, has ice powers and one has fire. I think they just scream moveset. I've also heard people saying they don't "want to play as ugly hags". Um, since when do looks play such a big role in the entry into SSB? Look at Game & Watch. He doesn't even have a face. And is Ganondorf exactly something pleasant to look at?

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9. Munchlax

Whooooo, the Pokemon of my list. I really love Munchlax. Really. I don't understand why there's so much anti-Munchlaxism out there. I think he could bring so much to the game. He has Metronome, Yawn, Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch, Rest, Body Slam, Thick Fat, and so much more. And plus, as an added bonus, he's the pre-evolution of one of the coolest Pokemon around, Snorlax. He's also one of the most popular Pokemon in Japan. He has his own section on the Pokemon jet, I'm pretty sure he has his own ride in the Pokemon theme-park, and he's quickly become the mascot of the 4th generation games, alongside Lucario, who I also want in, just not as much as Munchlax.

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10. Diddy Kong

And so we reach the last, but certainly not least character on my list, Diddy Kong. I know the link in my sig says "Diddy and Dixie tag team", but I need to change it. I'd much rather have Diddy alone. Diddy is pretty much the main charater of the DK series (next to DK, of course), which needs more rep. He's been in almost every game and has even had his own spin-off series, Diddy Kong Racing, which is in fact, a very fun little game. He has so much potential for a moveset, with his peanut popguns, barrel rocket, cartwheel, and guitar. So basically, Diddy FTW.

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Character Ideas that should Die
-Majora *shudders*
-Plusle and Minun
-Waluigi
-Daisy
-Blaziken
-Missingno.
-Master Chief
-Vaati
-E. Gadd
-Any Punch-Out! character other than Little Mac
-Wolf Link



So there you have it, my top ten. I would really appreciate feedback. But please, as I stated WAAAAAAY back when, try to keep all responses as mature as possible. :) Thanks for reading.
 

The Basement Dweller

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McFox you have started an epidemic of bad threads and ideas with your list. Personally I absolutely hate your list all except Ridley I think the scaled down version they showed in the cutscene in Melee will be in.
 

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I like it, but I don't agree with all your choices like Vaati will get in before Skull Kid and Munchlax is my 4th option for a new pokemon so...
 

The Basement Dweller

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Incase zombie doesn't show I'll speak for him and I am 100% sure he'll like the idea of Munchlax he is obscessed with him.
 

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Muchlax and Ridley are the only ones I agree with. Diddy and skull kid are ok. Also Dweller is right McFox's thread will haunt the smash boards with other related lists that should be in the final roster thread. Hey Dweller Munchlax is cool. I dont mind if he is a playable character just as long as he is in it.
 

The Basement Dweller

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Muchlax and Ridley are the only ones I agree with. Diddy and skull kid are ok. Also Dweller is right McFox's thread will haunt the smash boards with other related lists that should be in the final roster thread. Hey Dweller Munchlax is cool. I dont mind if he is a playable character just as long as he is in it.
You keep thinking that.
Diddy I believe has a good shot I personally don't care, but he has a good shot.
Ridley has a good shot because they could use the scaled down model from Melee's cutscene to easily put him in and he is the one of the more popular villains from the metroid series.
Munchlax has no chance sorry zombie life's rough get a helmet.
 

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You certainly have some more interesting choices on your list. Anyway, I definitly agree with you on Diddy, Ridley, and Dedede and somewhat agree with you on Munchlax and Skull Kid (would perfer Majora himself). The others not so much.
 

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Togepi is more well known from the anime so I don't see it happening.
Yes but Munchlax would represent the next generation of Pokemon.

Thanks for the mention Sea. I know. I bet if I could keep it going, I could take McFox's and Zombie's place as the Ultimate Negative Nancy of all time!!!
Well first off Dweller has me beat on this list and Im sure he wont let you take second from him.:laugh:
 

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Oh yeah and Vaati is way more well known than skull kid, Skull Kid was a race in OoT not a character.
O_o Skull Kid was the main villan of Majoras Mask...

Boy howdy am I glad I put Zombie and Dweller on my ignore list...and was, in fact, a specific character in OoT.

@Uncle Kenny: I'm neutral on Geno. I've never played SMRPG so yeah...
 

The Basement Dweller

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Thanks for the mention Sea. I know. I bet if I could keep it going, I could take McFox's and Zombie's place as the Ultimate Negative Nancy of all time!!!
Where am I on the list? I'm sure I'm up there I think I should be before zombie atleast I don't know about McFox.
 

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O_o Skull Kid was the main villan of Majoras Mask......and was, in fact, a specific character in OoT.
Yes, yes he was, but Skull Kids were a race in OoT.

Boy howdy am I glad I put Zombie and Dweller on my ignore list
So am I. I took them off for a while just to give them a second shot because of all the things people where sayng about them on the Diddy Kong thread, but it turns out every where else they where being the fuking *******s they are.

@Uncle Kenny: I'm neutral on Geno. I've never played SMRPG so yeah...
Play it.
 

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O_o Skull Kid was the main villan of Majoras Mask...
the 10x cooler majora was the main villan of majora's mask. skull kid was just some useless puppet for him.

anyway these are MY opinions on this list of "doom"

10: diddy kong- okay

9: muchlax-no.

8:twinrova: no.

7:tom nook: sure

6: ridley: OMFGZ yes.

5: king dedede: OMFGZ yes

4: toad: no.

3: duck hunt dog: -_-........okay, NO.

2: bowser jr: yes

1: skull kid: majora> vaati> skull kid. fact :p
 

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One word: Gardevoir.
And Cloud. I'm falling back on him since I have a strange feeling that Sephiroth is not fair game. (Or was he in KH CoM? I didn't play that game...)
 

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Well, I did. And Gardevoir makes perfect sense as a character. (Speaking of this deal, Gardevoir is actually under consideration as a playable.)
 

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Not true. Did you know that Gardevoir has been called the new Alakazam? (Gardevoir may not be as speedy, but it has about the same amount of power, and it's less frail.) It's doubtful as to just which one is better, but I say Gardevoir.
Oh, and Blaziken's the lame one. Good idea for saying that one doesn't belong.
 

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Being called the new Alakazam does not a Brawl character make.

But wow, I'm totally getting into a pointless argument. I'm done.
 

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Good. At least SOMEONE knows when to pull out when they've lost...
Somebody at school said something about Andross being in there. What was he thinking?
 

The Basement Dweller

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Alakazam is better because it has a higher special attack and special defense with a higher speed that is both of thier main means of attack. I have both both level 100 Alakazam is better. I cheated to do so AR I do have somewhat a life contrary to popular belief and pokemon isn't one of the games I play obcessively like I do with Melee. Also there is an Andross thread here aswell.
 

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Um, wow, that was really mature. Good job. Sure, you've won. Let's go with that. I just don't want to spam up this thread and get it closed.
 

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It's a little thing called Pokémon NetBattle, you ought try it out.
WL once said something about DS being in there. I don't think of that as a bad idea myself.
 

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Wow, I don't beleive you, of all people, don't have Petey on this list, but very good choices, I pretty much agree with all of them except Bowser JR and Munchlax, but I don't have any reasons, I just don't like them. Good list.
 

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Wow, I don't beleive you, of all people, don't have Petey on this list, but very good choices, I pretty much agree with all of them except Bowser JR and Munchlax, but I don't have any reasons, I just don't like them. Good list.
I still like Petey, but I don't neccesarily want him in Brawl anymore. I want Toad in more than him. Even Geno. Thanks for the comments, though.
 

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O_o I've NEVER seen anyone prefer Petey over Toad. You sir, will be quickly burned at the stake for blaspheme. I mean, even I know Toad has priority over Petey.
 

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Geno>Toad>Petey

True fact. I am going to go back and check out this list, I just skimmed over it to see where Geno was. But alas, he isn't there. Oh well, people are entitled to there own opinions.
 

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I agree with every thing on your list except DHD, Tom Nook, and Munchlax.

DHD: I think there are better choices for old school characters such as Little Mac and Takamaru.
Tom Nook: I think we should put in the fighters before we put in characters like this. Like Geno and Diddy and etc. Sakurai said he didn't want only popular characters so you can't use that argument and as for making a moveset for a person for someone who hasn't fought, Captain Falcon is a popular character and Zelda is a popular character. At the time when they were making the first two games these characters were in demand and it is now that they will not be concentrating so much on popularity although is still think they will take the advice of fans and put in the higher ranked characters on the poll. Tom Nook was not all that highly ranked.
Munchlax: I think there are better choices like Lucario and Deoxys but he can be in a poke ball.

Just my two cents and you will probabbly argue your points but I just don't want these characters. Just like you, these are just my opinions and I am not flaming.

Edit: I can't believe I forgot Mach Rider and Balloon Fighter. Yeah them also. Classics ftw.
 
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