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Do you want Japanese to be optionally included in the Englidh version?

kashikomarimashita

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Im just curious about this. Is this something fans here put high up as something to be desired in the game? And what do you think is the likelihood of this happening?

To give you my impressions, I really liked having the Japanese available in Melee. It gave the game a unique feel playing it with a second set of vocals for some of the characters, most notably Jigglypuff and Falco. It also showed gamers the differences between what the Japanese creators originally intended, and its final overseas localization.

As for Brawl I have already compared the differences that exist by cross referencing the English and Japanese postings on the Dojo site. While the gist is the same, some of the dialogue is not. For example, there are the transmissions between Snake and his support team from the Shadow Moses stage. In the first one Snake talks with Otocan about Yoshi. In the English Version Otocon ends the conversation by saying "uhhh...Snake." in response to Snakes suggestion that they capture and eat Yoshi. Whereas in the Japanese version Otocon says, "No, no..give up on that idea, I am asking it of you." Not exactly a direct translation.

In these transmissions the voices are not at all alike either. The English voice actor for Snake, David Hayter, has a much more husky voice, while Japanese Snake sounds more authoritative. I might add too that the Coronel sounds like an old fart in the Japanese version.

I guess this is not such a big deal if you dont understand the Japanese. But I still think it makes the game more interesting were it to be included as an extra.

As for that likelyhood, this game has so much dialogue (much more than Melee) that it would require a lot of disk space. Even some of the songs like the Wario Ware stage theme have Japanese lyrics. That means they would have to put two versions on the CD and songs require more memory than simple dialogue. With all the other features already added a Japanese option may not fit in to the final game. How does everyone feel about this?

In my case Im stuck with the Japanese version seeing how Im in Japan with my Japanese Wii. Ill just have to make due with what Japanese I know. On the upside though I do get the game 17 days earlier. But even Jan 24th seems so far away now.

Update* Yeah, I guess everyone wants the Japanese in the game. Why not? It would be optionally anyways. But it takes up space. So lets say that would prevent the inclusion of a previous character, someone like Pichu or Game & Watch? Would you still want the Japanese then?

Update* Im wondering how many of the characters will have spoken lines in the game. From the Mario games, the characters never say much, just little phrases that are in English even in their Japanese versions like in Mario Galaxy. But guys like Snake come from games with heavy voice work. And what about Ike? Surely he will have lines when taunting or winning a match., the same as Roy and Marth from Melee.
And the assist trophies, there are loads of characters there, some of them have got to talk. This may be the first time they are given a voice. Guys like Little Mac, or Goro. I think this game will have rich and varied spoken dialogue, which undoubtedly will engage the player more than any previous Smash game. To offer that in Japanese too would be another fascinating aspect of an already superb game.
 

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As an aside, I vastly prefer Snake's Japanese voice actor.

Back on topic, I like hearing Japanese voices. Maybe it's because all voice acting is bad, and I prefer to not know it ;) But I think not, as I liked RE4's English voice acting :p

I wish that I could have English menus and subtitles with all of the American localization team's humor, but hear Japanese voices.
 

kashikomarimashita

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Yeah, RE4 had superb voice acting. I was let down with Umbrella Chronicles in that regard. Only Wesker sounded cool. On another note all resident Evil games are in English in Japan with no Japanese options, only subtitles.

As for Metal Gear, I always thought it had some of the best voice acting for a video game series. That also goes for the Japanese version. In general Japanese do a better job at voice acting, i guess cus they take anime so seriousle. The only problem is, too many voice actors sound alike, and you dont have as many dialects and shades of speaking compared to English. That adds variety. Believe me its kind of wierd hearing a tough black character from an anime speak like a Japanese gangster.
 

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I'd even wholeheartedly agree if it weren't for Sonic's cheesy English voice actor. =D

I just love Japanese, it would be really cool to have it available... such a pity that they didn't include it in the European version. The only thing that ever changes in these languages is Jigglypuff's voice actor and announcer, which can be rated on a scale from bad to really horrible.

But as long as I'm not stuck completely with German voice actors ( it could happen, and I'm going to have nightmares about it tonight ), I'll be fine.

EDIT: Ah, glad I see someone agree with my theory that Japanese voice actors are better because they take their job so seriously. Aren't children in anime actually voiced by children in Japan? They do a better job at something as universal as screaming than a grown-up German voice actor.
 

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Yeah, Sonics English voice acting is a crime. I think he was originally given that voice for his old lame Saturday morning cartoon show and it stuck. In any event Japanese Sonic sounds way better, though his theme remains just as cheesified.
 

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Heh, I bet. You know Snake's Japanese voice? It sounds so much like Gendo Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion... I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same person...

*Looks him up on imdb*

Whoa, he's not Snake, but he's Nightmare in Soul Calibur III and Kratos in Tales of Symphonia, crazy...


Anyway, Snake's voice in Japanese sounds so much more admirable than his English voice. It's easier to believe he's a good guy.
 

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I think most kids characters are voiced by women, unless its for a big production like a Ghibli Film. At least Im sure its that way for boy characters like Shinchan and Conan.
 

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Everyone knows that David Hayter>Akio Ohtsuka
even Akio probably knows this.
As for the rest of the voice acting in Metal Gear I'm pretty impartial.

I did like the japanese option in Melee, I really liked that it actually changed a few things besides text/voice.

Although I wish I could mishmash the two choices.
I would like to hear "Purrin!" when I choose the puffball pokemon and "Bowser!" when I choose the king of koopas.
 

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I'm just saying if the creator of the character prefers the english it means something.


Anyway, Snake's voice in Japanese sounds so much more admirable than his English voice. It's easier to believe he's a good guy.
Snake isn't a good guy, he'd tell you that himself if he could.
 

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Yeah, I definitely want to see it in Japanese again. I can actualy read, write, and type nearly all kana and hirigana, so that won't be a problem for me. I could import it, but I don't want to have to mod my Wii or anything :ohwell:
 

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Snake isn't a good guy, he'd tell you that himself if he could.
Oh? Shows you how ignorant I am of MGS :p Anyway, is he supposed to sound creepy? Cuz this Hayter guy sounds creepy :p And I assumed Snake was a "good guy", since you play as him and all. Plus, isn't rebellion against a corrupt force "good"? Isn't that what Snake does?
 

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How can Snake not be considered a good guy? He has saved humanity on numerous occasions, and he takes no credit, but rather mulls over that which circumstance has made him, a killing machine driven by the need to face death and conquer all odds. Thus he has sacrificed his own humanity for the greater good. That makes him a total hero, and I think his internal struggle really shows that he has some heart.

As for the voice acting Hayter and Otsuka definitely give Snake a different persona, and their dialogue is slightly tweaked to strengthen that difference. For example Hayter's Snake sounds sleazy and sarcastic, while Otsuka's Snake sounds more assertive and is prone to raising his voice. Ive played through MGS 3 in both languages and that was my impression.

Im really glad Snake is in Brawl, and I hope the North American localization includes Otsukas voice work. It would be a real treat for fans of the MGS series.
 

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How can Snake not be considered a good guy? He has saved humanity on numerous occasions, and he takes no credit, but rather mulls over that which circumstance has made him, a killing machine driven by the need to face death and conquer all odds. Thus he has sacrificed his own humanity for the greater good. That makes him a total hero, and I think his internal struggle really shows that he has some heart.

As for the voice acting Hayter and Otsuka definitely give Snake a different persona, and their dialogue is slightly tweaked to strengthen that difference. For example Hayter's Snake sounds sleazy and sarcastic, while Otsuka's Snake sounds more assertive and is prone to raising his voice. Ive played through MGS 3 in both languages and that was my impression.

Im really glad Snake is in Brawl, and I hope the North American localization includes Otsukas voice work. It would be a real treat for fans of the MGS series.
Not a good guy da**** just a guy hired to do some wet work.
 

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Sure, if it was like melee.
But I don't think it's important enough that Game and Watch could be given up for it. Of course, if it was included and Game and Watch isn't I'd have no idea why that was the case, but since you're asking "Game and Watch or Japanese?" I'll go with content that makes playing the game more fun every time.
The only times when the Japanese is neccesary is like Sonic for the Wii, where the english voice acting was so bad it made you want to kill yourself.
 

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Well, the only time I switched to Japanese in Melee was for a couple cool glitches and, like the thread character said, listen to the new voices.

Most video games are able to do without having another language that nobody playing it knows. I'm guessing that the North American version of Brawl will only have English.

I won't miss Japanese too much. In fact, very little.
 

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Yes I would like a Japanese language option. I'll go a step further. I think there should be an option of what gets the Japanese. I hate having to switch to English when I want to read anything like player stats or trophy profiles and then switch back to Japanese when I have my matches. However, if it meant that G&W couldn't return, then no.

PS: It'd be hard to imagine that it'd be difficult not to have both G&W and a Japanese option.
 

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I highly doubt that space will be an issue. A lot of people always list space problems as a potential problem in games, but these games can hold a lot more data than we think!

Especially with such a simple game as Smash. I mean it's two-dimensional side scrolling, stages and graphics and characters hardly take any space compared to immense worlds like Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, or Splinter Cell.
 

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I highly doubt that space will be an issue. A lot of people always list space problems as a potential problem in games, but these games can hold a lot more data than we think!

Especially with such a simple game as Smash. I mean it's two-dimensional side scrolling, stages and graphics and characters hardly take any space compared to immense worlds like Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, or Splinter Cell.

This does make sense. Fighting games use much less memory with their two dimensional worlds. I guess thats why games in the Mortal Combat Series can have 60 usable characters (a lot of clones though). It would be sweet if Smash Brawl was on par with that. But when you think of all the added features there has to be a limit somewhere, at least in terms of the development time. The team does not have all the time in the world to incorporate everything they want. But man, Sakurai really has outdone himself so far. In Melee the Japanese option was probably just a last minute after thought put in the North American Localization, much like the inclusion of Roy and Marth. However I feel Sakurai will put it in this one too just to be consisitent. It wouldnt be too difficult anyhow, considering that the Japanese version is being released beforehand.

Now Im wondering if they will do the reverse with the Japanese game. It would be great if they had the English voices as well. As for other language versions, it seems there are not any. The Spanish, German, French and Italian posts on Dojo all have Pics and Videos from the English version. If anything only the text will be localized.
 

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Well, quite a few games these days allow you to use Japanese voices. While most games do it by codes, Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin simply had the player hold L before picking a game mode. I hope it's just an option in Brawl you can turn on and off.
 

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wait do the copies that go out in japan have an english option? if only they did getting brawl earlier would be nice.
While Id really like it to, I doubt the Japanese version will have English. For one Japanese Melee does not have English. Moreover, Japanese Brawl is coming out before any English version. And it is probably the ongoing localization that delayed the North American release. And even if it did have English it would only play on a Japanese or Modified Wii.

Now that I think about it HAL could have delayed the game to ready their online network. There seems to be a lot of features above competitive play. It looks complicated and the system will have to handle the sudden surge in online gamers with the release. So maybe that’s why they opted for Japan first. Less people to worry about. Well, whatever the reason I see it as a good decision. Sakurai himself said it is about delivering the best game possible. We wouldn’t want HAL to rush the game for the holiday season if it ends up being costly in terms of quality and performance.
 

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I liked the option in Melee. I liked Purin over Jigglypuff, and I liked Fox, Falco, and Mewtwo's quotes in Japanese.
 

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The Wii Disk has a LOT of room, so I'm sure we'll get the Japanese option for this game and then some. ♥ I liked it when Mewtwo talked in his victory poses in Japanese. It was so WICKED!
 

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Hell no Japanese voice acting suck big time they either sound to whiny to Deep or sound almost the same

and the Japanese Pokemon name’s suck too

I hope they remove it and use the disk space for more music
 

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I actually spent a lot of time playing Smash Bros. in Japanese, and it was a lot of fun. I'd love to see it return for Brawl.
 

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Hell no Japanese voice acting suck big time they either sound to whiny to Deep or sound almost the same

and the Japanese Pokemon name’s suck too

I hope they remove it and use the disk space for more music



I really hope they include the Japanese option. I also hope they include full japanese, including the announcer. I'm pretty sure that the announcer didn't speak english in the japanese version of Melee.
 
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