Do well against good players but lose to FG stereotypes?

[ItsASquid]

Is this normal? I can stand toe to toe with good players but if they begin roll spammimg or smashing everywhere as Mac I lose on the spot.

 

[Nathan Richardson]

Yeah I sometimes have problems I wish someone made strategy videos showing what to do about people like that....

 

[|RK|]

It's actually very common in any kind of competitive sport. What usually happens is the tactics you learn to deal with stronger opponents don't work on people that aren't reacting how they should. Example - punishing a rare roll from a skilled player will discourage them from rolling again. But a newbie will just keep rolling.

Some of the best advice I got in fencing was "just hit them." I think it applies to Smash as well. They'll usually overuse something - just keep putting them in the situation that makes them perform a particular action and then hit them over and over again.

 

[Nathan Richardson]

It's actually very common in any kind of competitive sport. What usually happens is the tactics you learn to deal with stronger opponents don't work on people that aren't reacting how they should. Example - punishing a rare roll from a skilled player will discourage them from rolling again. But a newbie will just keep rolling.

Some of the best advice I got in fencing was "just hit them." I think it applies to Smash as well. They'll usually overuse something - just keep putting them in the situation that makes them perform a particular action and then hit them over and over again.

You took up fencing? That's awesome!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You need to change how you react to players and make it a player to player basis. Punishing weaker players needs you to play a certain way, where as stronger players you need to play a different way.

 

[Mega-Spider]

Yeah, I've dealt with that a few times. Every time it happens, I'm always bewildered on how I could lose against someone like that, especially since I've played against far better.

 

[Uffe]

If you play against better players and then are losing against people on FG because they're rolling a lot, it's because you don't deal with that situation often. Or maybe you do. Then it's a matter of adapting to their rolling habits and learning where they're going to roll next. Rolling is very discouraged, but for some reason, it's really good and effective in this game. But it's discouraged because it becomes predictable. Just look at this video of a well-known Smasher who was having a hard time against someone who rolled a lot:

 

[GeflGabe]

I've been in your shoes. Adaption is key. From personal experience, I find that weaker players have much more patterns than more powerful players. Try to examine what their habits & patterns are and how to punish them. Once you get that down, some lower level players tend to panic and use very punishable attacks. Use what they do wrong to your advantage. That's my advice, good luck and stay sharp.

 

[Ælude]

Newer players usually can't adapt to bad situations on the fly so if you understand the game you should know how to deal with their bad habits and usually don't have to deal with the endless mindgames that follow like when you play better players.

I've always said this is a key indicator that your adaptation is nowhere NEAR where it should be if you consider yourself a decent player.

Its time to take a step back and examine yourself. Your likely at the stage where you've been told to follow a certain formula and have also come to expect the same from your opponents. But your playing the imitation game and clearly when your thrown out of your comfort zone you don't know what to do. When you can start thinking and applying things because YOU know and understand them and built the habbit of playing your opponent - not the game - then not only will you start pwning roll spamming noobs as a result but you'll do better than just going toe-toe with what you consider good players.

Smash is a puzzle game - not a beat 'em up.

 

[Nathan Richardson]

Newer players usually can't adapt to bad situations on the fly so if you understand the game you should know how to deal with their bad habits and usually don't have to deal with the endless mindgames that follow like when you play better players.

I've always said this is a key indicator that your adaptation is nowhere NEAR where it should be if you consider yourself a decent player.

Its time to take a step back and examine yourself. Your likely at the stage where you've been told to follow a certain formula and have also come to expect the same from your opponents. But your playing the imitation game and clearly when your thrown out of your comfort zone you don't know what to do. When you can start thinking and applying things because YOU know and understand them and built the habbit of playing your opponent - not the game - then not only will you start pwning roll spamming noobs as a result but you'll do better than just going toe-toe with what you consider good players.

Smash is a puzzle game - not a beat 'em up.

I agree with everything you say except for your last sentence (I'm being picky I know) smash is only a puzzle game if you're trying to outthink your opponent the technical term is 'mascot fighter' a fighting game isn't necessarily a beat them up but it certainly isn't a puzzle game.

 

[Ælude]

The sentence sole purpose was to illustrate a new way of thinking and approach to the game for the OP, not to get hung up on loose technical terms that aren't even a complete consensus.

But since you brought it up and also stated that you agreed with what I said (moral of the story being to outhink your opponent) then by your own definition you just gave the sentence stands technically correct and enforces the point I was trying to make.

If it makes you happy "think of smash more like a puzzle game than a beat 'em up" is more accurately what I was trying to say unless theres some other terms, punctuation, or grammar you would like to pick apart.

 

[Nathan Richardson]

No no like I said last post I was being picky.

 

[HoSmash4]

It's good to remember if scrubby tactics like rolling and buffering wake ups every time works, they will never have a reason to adapt.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Oh my god thank god I'm not the only one. Noob habits sometimes actually make me lose.

 

[Murlough]

What Red Ryu said mostly.

Whenever you play against significantly worse players and find yourself getting hit by absurd moves or losing to idiotic tactics like roll spamming you should use the opportunity to work on your mental game.

Keep in mind that your opponent is worse and will make worse decisions and then punish them for it.

I just went against a Mario IRL who would use their double jump and raw up-b me when I was above them. It even killed me once because I hadn't expected that from a Mario player and was DIing wrong. However, I still won the match because I began keeping his usual habits and attack patterns in mind.

It comes down to your ability to adapt which is arguably the most important skill in high level play.