Do Pokémon fans hate change?

[Quillion]

I don't mean to be rude but...

Through my own perception, it seems that many Pokémon fans REALLY hate change, particularly if it's beyond Gen II.

They get pissy over EVERYTHING that's been introduced, even when the core gameplay barely changes at all. They've reacted this way to every new Pokémon introduced, Abilities, the Physical-Special split, Mega Evolutions, new types, pretty much everything.

There really isn't a lot of room to improve the core gameplay, and the developers know it, but any minor change, and fans get really up in arms about it.

So am I correct? Do YOU personally hate changes no matter how minor? Is it because Pokémon makes changes, but not in the right ways?

 

[UltiMario]

The kind of people you're referring to don't even play the games anymore, why does their opinion on the new games matter?

 

[Gatlin]

Change is necessary imo to keep games interesting and refreshing, so I don't mind it at all. There has never been a Pokemon game where I was like "wow this is stupid, I can't play this anymore" and quit. Change of any kind in any game or situation is always going to leave some people unsatisfied or upset. It's just how it is the majority of the time. It's just up to those people if they want to accept it or not.

 

[LarsINTJ]

Some (many) people take Pokemon battles way too seriously if you ask me, the game was clearly not designed to be competitive with all those luck-based elements + horrid imbalance.

Also, the hate newer generations of Pokemon receive from certain parties is just typical purist fanboyism, not exclusive to this franchise. It's the kind of hostile denial you would expect from an elderly person who has lost touch with social trends and becomes intimidated by the evolving world around them because much of their specialized knowledge has become outdated or irrelevant.

 

[Deleted member]

No, I don't hate change at all. In fact, as newer games are released and changes occur, the games get better IMO. My favorite generation of pokemon is gen 3, but that's just because I like how the region looks compared to the other five.

 

[finalark]

They get pissy over EVERYTHING that's been introduced, even when the core gameplay barely changes at all. They've reacted this way to every new Pokémon introduced, Abilities, the Physical-Special split, Mega Evolutions, new types, pretty much everything.

The kinds of people who complain about the changes made to Pokemon over the years aren't really fans of Pokemon. Well, they might be, but in that case they're single entry fans, such as people who only like Final Fantasy VII, Resident Evil 4 or Ocarina of Time and really aren't interested in the rest of the series. People who are fans of the entire pokemon series, however, embrace many of the changes and additions that come with each new installment. So no, Pokemon fans don't hate change.

There was a scene in a VN I read a while back where two characters are playing chess. After the game is over, the heroine remarks that her opponent doesn't actually like the game of chess, just the memories she associates with it. Replace the word chess with Pokemon and I think the mindset of people who cling to the first game in the series becomes obvious.

 

[DodgeDusk]

Being a fan of the series for about 14 years I can safely say that the changes they've implemented throughout the years doesn't bother me in the slightest. People are entitled to whatever opinion they have about the changes. But I think Game Freak has to spice things up each generation in order to not make the Pokémon games stale

 

[Spak]

The only thing I don't like about Gen 6 is mega evolutions. My reasoning for not liking mega evolutions is not every final evolution has one yet, so it limits the possibilities of team building and widens the unbalanced gap. Whenever they have a mega for every final evolution, I'd be fine with that. Also, sometimes the game lags in-battle while 3D is on.

 

[Hitzel]

I think that Pokemon fans are welcome to change and are generally the most universally accepting of sequels I've ever seen in a franchise.

There's a group of grumpy people who think that everything after the first 150 shouldn't exist, but like someone already said, they never played any of the new games anyway so why should we care about them? How can their opinions matter?

 

[ArchMageDiablo]

I started complaining at gen3 that it was too much, but accept it now, nowadays what I hate is that they introduce new things, then make a new game and exclude them. With ORAS I'm bummed that there is no trainer customization. And their forever changing whether or not you can acquire berries and how that is done.

 

[Quillion]

I think if anything, Pokemon needs to change MORE.

They put in all these changes, but they're so minor and the games end up being simply updated versions of each other anyway. Same with Zelda.

Contrast with Mario, which has run the gamut of heavily branching 2D platformer (SMW), explorational 3D platformer (SM64, SMS), gravity heavy linear platformer (SMG duo), and linear 3D with 2D mechanics (SM3DL and 3DW).

 

[MajinBuu272]

I don't mean to be rude but...

Through my own perception, it seems that many Pokémon fans REALLY hate change, particularly if it's beyond Gen II.

They get pissy over EVERYTHING that's been introduced, even when the core gameplay barely changes at all. They've reacted this way to every new Pokémon introduced, Abilities, the Physical-Special split, Mega Evolutions, new types, pretty much everything.

There really isn't a lot of room to improve the core gameplay, and the developers know it, but any minor change, and fans get really up in arms about it.

So am I correct? Do YOU personally hate changes no matter how minor? Is it because Pokémon makes changes, but not in the right ways?

You are reffering to genwoners... (probably spelled wrong) I have nothing against the new pokemon games, I love all pokemon games, although my least favorite gen is definitely gen 5... but i love all the rest

 

[LarsINTJ]

You are reffering to genwoners... (probably spelled wrong) I have nothing against the new pokemon games, I love all pokemon games, although my least favorite gen is definitely gen 5... but i love all the rest

Gen 5 gave us Ferrothorn and ChandelureGranted it had the least appealing starters overall.

 

[MajinBuu272]

i just didn't like gen 5.... didn't like the Pokemon (with a few exceptions), the people, or the region... its easily my least favorite generation.... but i like gens 1, 2, 3, 4, & 6

 

[finalark]

Gen 5 had some of the best game play the series had seen up until that point. Then gen 6 came out and blew it out of the water.

I do think gen 5 had some of the least appealing mons in the entire series, but it also gave us Carracosta and Chandelure, who are ascetically two of my favorites.

 

[MajinBuu272]

i admit that it did introduce the "choose a room" elite 4 format, triple battles, and rotation battles... which are all great i love that stuff... i dont have a problem with most of the pokemon... just gen 5 didnt really appeal to me... i dont know why.... my favorite game on the other hand is either Y or Heart Gold... almost 600hrs. in Y and about 300hrs. in HG

 

[finalark]

Pokemon 5 isn't really notable for what it introduced, but for what it refined. Battles are lightning fast, the ability to trade and battle anywhere, abilities triggering immediately, weather not slowing down battles, great stuff.

And the story was pretty cool too.

 

[Shog]

I don't know if this counts...but Gen 6 alongside the first 3 are my fav gens simply because they introduced important parts for me. Gen VI made finally, FINALLY Models for the Pokemon like I wished since fricking Pokemon Stadium. They made training your pokemon less tedious, for games like...Pokemon Stadium...okay we really need a Pok-Mon-Wii-U Stadium or something.

AND THE BATTLE ANIMATIONS ARE GOOD in Gen VI (seriously, why are people complaining?)

I also like the new form of Hoopa, it looks pretty horrifying unlike the -imo-worst gen 4 "dark" Pokemon Giratina (Gen II Smootchum is more frighetning).

 

[Quillion]

Pokemon 5 isn't really notable for what it introduced, but for what it refined. Battles are lightning fast, the ability to trade and battle anywhere, abilities triggering immediately, weather not slowing down battles, great stuff.

And the story was pretty cool too.

So you just like playing the same game with minor improvements over and over?

 

[MajinBuu272]

So you just like playing the same game with minor improvements over and over?

Pokemon is SO much more than that... you over simplified.... its all about the adventure, the battles, the people you meet, and the Pokemon you bond with

 

[Firus]

My one issue with Gen V was how they changed the experience formula and made grinding super annoying. I remember spending an exorbitant amount of time grinding on Audinos on the route before Victory Road my first time through. I can't find anything on the experience formula changing between V and VI, though, which is weird because I remember it feeling like they'd gone back to the original formula. Maybe it was just all of the help through Lucky Egg and all that made it feel that way.

Overall, though, I'm a fan of all the Pokemon games. I've gotten over my Gen IV hate (which I think was born in my 2008 Brawl-fueled "Nintendo can't do anything right" phase anyway) and have actually been enjoying my replay of it a lot. Gen V is the one I got into the least in practice, though in theory I love the enhanced storyline, 90% of the mons (I could do without the Vanilluxe and Garbodor lines, but Volcarona is my all-time favorite Pokemon, so), and the whole region. I'm hoping my upcoming replay of it will win me over.

Honestly, I think I have the most issues with the first two gens. The nostalgia there is fantastic, but outdated mechanics make them rough to replay nowadays. Though I must admit, it was hilarious defeating my rival's level 40 Venusaur with a level 13, untrained Bellsprout because he wouldn't stop using Poison Powder.

 

[Quillion]

Pokemon is SO much more than that... you over simplified.... its all about the adventure, the battles, the people you meet, and the Pokemon you bond with

Yeah, but it's the same adventure, battles, people you meet. The Pokemon you bond with are always new, but again, that's minor.

 

[MajinBuu272]

My one issue with Gen V was how they changed the experience formula and made grinding super annoying. I remember spending an exorbitant amount of time grinding on Audinos on the route before Victory Road my first time through. I can't find anything on the experience formula changing between V and VI, though, which is weird because I remember it feeling like they'd gone back to the original formula. Maybe it was just all of the help through Lucky Egg and all that made it feel that way.

Overall, though, I'm a fan of all the Pokemon games. I've gotten over my Gen IV hate (which I think was born in my 2008 Brawl-fueled "Nintendo can't do anything right" phase anyway) and have actually been enjoying my replay of it a lot. Gen V is the one I got into the least in practice, though in theory I love the enhanced storyline, 90% of the mons (I could do without the Vanilluxe and Garbodor lines, but Volcarona is my all-time favorite Pokemon, so), and the whole region. I'm hoping my upcoming replay of it will win me over.

Honestly, I think I have the most issues with the first two gens. The nostalgia there is fantastic, but outdated mechanics make them rough to replay nowadays. Though I must admit, it was hilarious defeating my rival's level 40 Venusaur with a level 13, untrained Bellsprout because he wouldn't stop using Poison Powder.

The difference of exp. gain gen VI has is that the exp share and luck egg makes it really easy to over power your pokemon making the game too easy... Gen V was difficult to me, i lost to the elite 4 at least 5 times before finally beating it...

 

[finalark]

So you just like playing the same game with minor improvements over and over?

I wouldn't say that. I feel that each game in the series brings enough new things to the table to keep the experience fresh. The only reason why I praise Pokemon 5 for how much it refined things is because I had a number of technical issues that kept me from really enjoying gen 4 to the fullest.

 

[MajinBuu272]

This is a little out of place but...
I'm actually re-playing through Pokemon Heart Gold... but with my Action replay! I'm only using a couple of cheats though... i have 200x EXP multiplier, can catch trainer's pokemon, never fail catches, maximum money, and the best of all a RANDOMIZER CODE! i have already gotten 5 legendaries and im only in golden rod city about to dominate Whitney with a mew! (that'll teach her to use roll out infinitely!)

 

[Iblistech]

Here's something else that people are complaining about now:

"It has been announced that a special Dual Pack is coming to North America. Exclusive to Best Buy and Amazon, this pack contains both Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire and comes with a special serial code, two codes for 100 Potions each, mirroring a release coming in Japan. It's marketed at $79.98 and will be released on November 21st."

- Serebii

Honestly... *Facedesks*

*Bold denotes complaint

 

[energonkid]

Change can be good ( fairies I'm looking at you) and sometimes it is too problematic ( the rise and fall of blaziken). Dual Packs are also a good change.

 

[Iblistech]

Change can be good ( fairies I'm looking at you) and sometimes it is too problematic ( the rise and fall of blaziken). Dual Packs are also a good change.

My point exactly, yet the focus is mainly on the bonus contained in the ORAS Dual Pack (the 200 Potions)

 

[ErenJager]

I love my original 151, nothing will ever be better than Kanto.
However it would be really stale and boring if Pokemon never changed from that.

I secretly wish for a 3D Kanto Remake, with Mega Evolution and a Mr. Fuji side story to go with it.
I would also like to see the Kanto Dex updated to reflect the new evolution families of the original 151.
Also, I'd hope only the original 151 and their evolutionary families would be obtainable in the game.

I'd like to see Bill play a role in a special feature unique to the 3D Kanto remake, by which he would allow you to fully edit your pokemons EV's, IV's, and Nature. In a clear, concise and quick manner at a cost. (I feel Nintendo should just make this happen since everyone just uses hacks to make the stats they want any way. Any one who says they don't at a competitive level is lying, and if they don't use editors or 'hacks' they have zero life to breed a full team to have ideal stats.)

Since the game would be restricted to Kanto pokemon and their evo families it would be reasonable to program those pokemon to be able to follow you. Also for various pokemon to actually appear when you use them to surf or fly.

Even as a Genwunner I don't really hate change, but i'd like to see it in a certain way, minus to sevi islands, hate them.

 

[MajinBuu272]

I love my original 151, nothing will ever be better than Kanto.
However it would be really stale and boring if Pokemon never changed from that.

I secretly wish for a 3D Kanto Remake, with Mega Evolution and a Mr. Fuji side story to go with it.
I would also like to see the Kanto Dex updated to reflect the new evolution families of the original 151.
Also, I'd hope only the original 151 and their evolutionary families would be obtainable in the game.

I'd like to see Bill play a role in a special feature unique to the 3D Kanto remake, by which he would allow you to fully edit your pokemons EV's, IV's, and Nature. In a clear, concise and quick manner at a cost. (I feel Nintendo should just make this happen since everyone just uses hacks to make the stats they want any way. Any one who says they don't at a competitive level is lying, and if they don't use editors or 'hacks' they have zero life to breed a full team to have ideal stats.)

Since the game would be restricted to Kanto pokemon and their evo families it would be reasonable to program those pokemon to be able to follow you. Also for various pokemon to actually appear when you use them to surf or fly.

Even as a Genwunner I don't really hate change, but i'd like to see it in a certain way, minus to sevi islands, hate them.

NINTENDO TAKE NOTICE!! GREAT IDEA INCOMING!!

 

[UltiMario]

I love my original 151, nothing will ever be better than Kanto.

 

[MajinBuu272]

well... to be fair gold and silver had Kanto in them too.....

 

[Maven89]

As far as I'm concerned, Red was the only valid Pokemon game. Blue was nerfed noob easyroll crap. Everything afterwards is even worse. /s

 

[finalark]

Excuse my ignorance, but isn't Blue the same exact game as Red with only a few different mons available?

RBY are games I really wish I could love with the childhood zeal I had for them in my younger days but unfortunately they hold up about as well as a cardboard box in a hurricane. Thankfully, we have FireRed and LeafGreen to remedy that.

 

[Quillion]

Excuse my ignorance, but isn't Blue the same exact game as Red with only a few different mons available?

RBY are games I really wish I could love with the childhood zeal I had for them in my younger days but unfortunately they hold up about as well as a cardboard box in a hurricane. Thankfully, we have FireRed and LeafGreen to remedy that.

I'm pretty sure the "/s" meant sarcasm.

 

[JingleJangleJamil]

So true. I once got into an argument in a YouTube comment section when I complained about the lack of previously added features being gone and two guys started telling me to "die in a hole",because they said they think anybody who likes the new stuff is an idiot and that they don't want features implemented after gen 3 to be in ORAS. They literally wanted to pay for less after we got so much more in the past and was removed.

 

[Quillion]

I love my original 151, nothing will ever be better than Kanto.
However it would be really stale and boring if Pokemon never changed from that.

I secretly wish for a 3D Kanto Remake, with Mega Evolution and a Mr. Fuji side story to go with it.
I would also like to see the Kanto Dex updated to reflect the new evolution families of the original 151.
Also, I'd hope only the original 151 and their evolutionary families would be obtainable in the game.

I'd like to see Bill play a role in a special feature unique to the 3D Kanto remake, by which he would allow you to fully edit your pokemons EV's, IV's, and Nature. In a clear, concise and quick manner at a cost. (I feel Nintendo should just make this happen since everyone just uses hacks to make the stats they want any way. Any one who says they don't at a competitive level is lying, and if they don't use editors or 'hacks' they have zero life to breed a full team to have ideal stats.)

Since the game would be restricted to Kanto pokemon and their evo families it would be reasonable to program those pokemon to be able to follow you. Also for various pokemon to actually appear when you use them to surf or fly.

Even as a Genwunner I don't really hate change, but i'd like to see it in a certain way, minus to sevi islands, hate them.

I want those, too. They've already remade the same generation where Kanto was remade; it's the perfect opportunity to re-remake Kanto.

 

[MajinBuu272]

So true. I once got into an argument in a YouTube comment section when I complained about the lack of previously added features being gone and two guys started telling me to "die in a hole",because they said they think anybody who likes the new stuff is an idiot and that they don't want features implemented after gen 3 to be in ORAS. They literally wanted to pay for less after we got so much more in the past and was removed.

Your only reply to everything they said should have been "genwunners", then you drop the mic and walk off....

 

[JingleJangleJamil]

Your only reply to everything they said should have been "genwunners", then you drop the mic and walk off....

No they hated anything after gen 3 not anything after gen 1.

 

[MajinBuu272]

sooo... gethreeers???? lol