Whenever I play my friend and he chooses DK, I seem to have a problem with him even though Marth apparently has the edge according to the matchup thread. I find it hard approaching him as he normally makes a wall of ftilts, the dtilt of Marth doesnt outrange it, and he shield grabs all my fairs. I also have problems getting up from the ledge against him since he normally shield grabs those fairs too or just ftilts me off. Should I just play it more defensively and counter more? I feel like I should grab more too especially if I suspect he is going to shield.
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DK problems
- Thread starter CheeseNip
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Common' man, marth cant lose to DK, hes too big of a target!
get ur *** in there and PARRY! then Fthrow chain him cause DK is heavy. then... i dunno, push him away from the edge with air attacks like Bair of dbl Fair so his crap recovery wont save him.
and it sounds like you just need more practice, cause i think a marth should have no problems outclassing DK
get ur *** in there and PARRY! then Fthrow chain him cause DK is heavy. then... i dunno, push him away from the edge with air attacks like Bair of dbl Fair so his crap recovery wont save him.
and it sounds like you just need more practice, cause i think a marth should have no problems outclassing DK
Hadooken, Marth doesn't outclass DK. It's a pretty even match up because of DK's power and reach. You make one mistake you probably lose a stock.
You have to stay on him. Once you hit him, don't let him get any breathing room. I could expand on this but i'm too tired >_>
You have to stay on him. Once you hit him, don't let him get any breathing room. I could expand on this but i'm too tired >_>
When I was vsing someone who gave me issues as a D.K. he made me realise something.
I was being too defensive.
As in, I would nicely let him charge up his b punch, and set up the zones for himself, while I kind of stepped back and had my 'traps'.
I also didn't realise I could outgrab him, and wasn't really prominant in my up b usage, but whatever.
DK isn't easy... but because of his size he is asking to be shieldbreaker'd.
I was being too defensive.
As in, I would nicely let him charge up his b punch, and set up the zones for himself, while I kind of stepped back and had my 'traps'.
I also didn't realise I could outgrab him, and wasn't really prominant in my up b usage, but whatever.
DK isn't easy... but because of his size he is asking to be shieldbreaker'd.
Yes, I have incorporated more of the shield breaker because of the fact that my opponent often shield grabs. Instead of running and approaching with a SH fair I will sometimes stop and use the shield breaker. I have also found that instead of using fair from the ledge I can just use shield breaker due to its longer range and still be safe from the grab range. If I do that I can safely regrab the ledge if I need to. Is this a bad strategy to employ and just opponent dependent?
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Kind of topic related, what's the best way to beat DK's Bair?
AdmiralComrade
Smash Journeyman
sometimes watch DK if he turns around hes prolly going to Bair xD.. and i guess edge guarding against him is pretty easy imo, becareful of his spikes...hmm and yes i hate how his F-tilt D-tilt and fsmash out ranges u but yeah try to get him into the air
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Thanks. Tbh, this is also a match I have difficulty with, and some top level DKs (including Bum) live in my area, so I'm going to need all the tips I can get.
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Smash Legend
^Ya I hate that, it totally sucks. But DK is fairly easy to gimp if you can knock him down off of the stage. You can also just edge hog...
Nibbity
Smash Journeyman
isn't shieldbreaker after a good offense a good tactic to use a lot? As shaya said, he's a big guy, almost to be treated like D3, except DK doesn't have any long ranged attacks like waddle dee. Nairing might also be a good idea because of the same size thing, and spacing fairs is definitely really important.
io728
Smash Cadet
Mind Games
Use mind games.
Grab more, counter more, cancel dancing blade+ smash, generally keep him guessing so he can't prepare the shield, wait to attack, and/or initiate a grab.
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MARTH IS NOT GAY, JOHNS!!!
Use mind games.
Grab more, counter more, cancel dancing blade+ smash, generally keep him guessing so he can't prepare the shield, wait to attack, and/or initiate a grab.________________
MARTH IS NOT GAY, JOHNS!!!
Hype
Smash Lord
You mentioned he likes to shield grab you Fairs. Sometimes its really obvious when someone is trying to shield grab you. You should just try to space well first off, that is you best option. Other than that There 2 things I love to do to punish a shield grabber.
SH Fair > shield breaker (risky)
SH Fair > Poorly spaced Fair > up B (Very risky, better when they are at high percents)
SH Fair > shield breaker (risky)
SH Fair > Poorly spaced Fair > up B (Very risky, better when they are at high percents)
DarkRunner00
Smash Journeyman
MIND GAMES... every match needs mind games.Use mind games.
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MARTH IS NOT GAY, JOHNS!!!
Steel2nd is right. You want to stay close enough to DK to never let him breath and essentially you want to beat him off the stage via Fair, Fsmash, SB, DB (neutral), DS, and even counter.
When you have him offstage it's easy pickin'... be wary he has 3 spikes... Fair, SideB, Dair...
Everything else seems situational.
For instance if you can get him to Up B (off stage) space yourself to Fsmash tip... if timed correctly you'll tip b4 he gets his invincibility frames from ledge grab. (don't ledge hog, since DK's lasts a helluva long time.
Make sure not to get the position to be grabbed when near the edge. As the others have already discussed--you will be stage spiked...
I'm not sure if Nair > DK'S Bair holds water... but just space and punish is really all...
PRESSURE. Don't play aggressive on big characters... they typically outrange you so you can't go around their attacks. Move first.
Demonstormkill
Smash Apprentice
Dunno if its just the DKs I've played but I've been able to tech the throw spike and follow up with a footstool for the kill. Very funny to watch.