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You speak like someone who never played Donkey Kong Country 2. Most obvious clone? Please.Honestly, Dixie is one of the most obvious clones since Brawl, and with the echoes plague it can be a sin if she's not in. I'm not going to say the same things you said here (Chrom, DSamus outside the Ridley trailer...) cuz I think the same.
Just change at least her UPB and maybe her dash because is a Diddy's classic. The rest of the moveset could be the almost the same.
Echo is better than nothing.
It's not a bad idea if it's done appropriately like you mentioned. If Dixie is not in the game then it is probably to late for Sakurai to add her in, but coming DLC he can definitely consider her.If a page was set up, I'd for sure follow it. I just don't want to admin it; I'm not as active as I used to be.
Call it obvious, or demanded maybe, guess I didn't choose my words so well, but I saw the request several times during the years, Dixie as clone or semi. But, well, lot of people say things and lot of people still talk about Wolf or Lucas as clones, that's the way I was talking. If you think about a potential character higly based in another, Dixie is one of the first options.You speak like someone who never played Donkey Kong Country 2. Most obvious clone? Please.
Metroid also had a sore lack of attention in past Smash games and ends up with not only the most requested character of the franchise but also a popular second choice as well through Echo Dark Samus who even levitates rather than just being a complete pallet swap. I can see DK getting similar treatment, since Dixie is very popular and there's an obvious echo option there for her.With how ambitious Echoes are looking now.. I cannot say I would be totally upset with Dixie being one.
Having K.Rool in only increased my need for Dixie to be honest. She's far more obviously missing right now.
Good comparison. Though I would argue that Dixie is far more popular than even Dark Samus. So we might even see her get more love. Wouldn't complain about anything else if she's in. Echo or not. And yes, I also used to think that's blasphemy, but after seeing Chrom am down with it. She might be even more unique than a Echo, cause honestly.. Diddy with safe recovery is a dangerous prospect for balance. It would also give Dixie a clear advantage over using Diddy, and I don't think that's the intention of Sakurai.Metroid also had a sore lack of attention in past Smash games and ends up with not only the not requested character of the franchise but also a popular second choice as well through Echo Dark Samus who even levitates rather than just being a complete pallet swap. I can see DK getting similar treatment, since Dixie is very popular and there's an obvious echo option there for her.
Oh your absolutely right she's far more popular than Dark Samus by far. The only thing is, Chrom was by far the most popular FE choice in Smash 4 and was looked over first due to his moveset potential in favor of Robin and Lucina got thrown in.. now Smash 4 and Ultimate are two different situations but the point is Chrom who is pretty damn popular was slapped with Echo status. Dixie who at this point the most popular 1st party character left I'd say, is more than likely going to be hit with the same treatment. Echo Dixie imo is better than no Dixie.Good comparison. Though I would argue that Dixie is far more popular than even Dark Samus. So we might even see her get more love. Wouldn't complain about anything else if she's in. Echo or not. And yes, I also used to think that's blasphemy, but after seeing Chrom am down with it. She might be even more unique than a Echo, cause honestly.. Diddy with safe recovery is a dangerous prospect for balance. It would also give Dixie a clear advantage over using Diddy, and I don't think that's the intention of Sakurai.
It really is something beautiful. There was some genuine venom being spat back and forth and it was like the Kremlings and Kongs hatred for eachother bleeding into the fandomsIn the pre-Smash 4 days, the Dixie and K. Rool fanbases were at each other's throats. We suspected one would get in, but only one, and things got ugly.
But now, after King K. Rool is confirmed, Dixie fans are congratulating his fans while K. Rool fans are coming over to show support for Dixie. It's a complete 180 and it warms my damn heart.
This thread fascinates me. I've been so used to Ridley and K. Rool dominating speculation that this is such a game changer. I gotta look at some fandoms and see who's prominent before I jump in, but thanks for the link. As for the Twitter page I say go for it; like Seth I can't exactly run it either but hey if you want to get it going and be in charge definitely do it!I just ran across this thread. Not that it would make a difference or anything but yall think we can make enough noise on this thread for Dixie to get the hype going!? https://smashboards.com/threads/who...s-for-the-new-big-three.457134/#post-22269582
WHAT!? Since '2007?!? Damn that's some certified bragging rights right there! My bad for not putting you on the list; matter of fact I'm gonna put you at the top! You don't mind, right Seth?Also how am I not in the official supporter list lol?
I'm an OG support for Dixie Kong lol. I've been saying since early 2007 on this site that once we get Diddy Kong, we gotta push for K. Rool AND Dixie!
Well we got Diddy in Brawl in late 2007 and we got K. Rool 2 years. Hopefully I don't gotta wait another damn 11 years lol.
By then I my hands might have fallen off from playing too many video games!
I feel honored now to be mentioned and to be a part of this support group. Hopefully, we will get Dixie in this game. I wonder if she will be either unique, semi-clone, clone or echo?I've been posting along with y'all but I'm actually a couple pages behind sorting through new members. We've got plenty of ne supporters joining us such as:
DiSQO_BuNNY
CannonStreak
C cybersai
Captain Shades
G GravelerChamp60
Louisacommie
KingZing
Honest Slug
Jimmy42893
Malkior7
OptimisticStrifer
SamDunk
Nimbostratus
Jurae818
TriMaxTime
Thanks for joining; and no worries ~ Valkyrie ~ ! Thank you for welcoming them sooner than I could LOL.
Be careful on that popularity presumption, Smashboards is not reflective of the community at large. Dixie is statistically much more popular here than anywhere else in the community sects. Her overall popularity is only a hair above theirs overall. We just really like her here.Sakurai said Chrom and Dark Samus were "highly requested" in their showcases, he wouldn't somehow include them and not Dixie.
I find it hard to believe since Dixie is more popular than Daisy, Dark Samus, and Chrom combined.
Your right, but in the end the same can be said about Ridley and K. Rool. Both of them are by and large far more popular with us than anyone who plays Smash. Hell some places like Gamefaqs and Reddit were downright hateful towards Ridley, K. Rool, etc. I think we may have more push around here than a lot of us realize.Be careful on that popularity presumption, Smashboards is not reflective of the community at large. Dixie is statistically much more popular here than anywhere else in the community sects. Her overall popularity is only a hair above theirs overall. We just really like her here.
Speaking of which, I don't seem to be on there as well, so I would like that please.I feel honored now to be mentioned and to be a part of this support group. Hopefully, we will get Dixie in this game. I wonder if she will be either unique, semi-clone, clone or echo?
Nah, those two are legitimately insanely popular and have had more push behind them for way longer across the collective smash community. The boards exemplify their magnitude perfectly.Your right, but in the end the same can be said about Ridley and K. Rool. Both of them are by and large far more popular with us than anyone who plays Smash. Hell some places like Gamefaqs and Reddit were downright hateful towards Ridley, K. Rool, etc. I think we may have more push around here than a lot of us realize.
The Smash ballot is influencing most of the newcomers in this game and Dixie had a pretty big presence on it. She showed up on every poll I had seen and ranked amongst the top 10 atleast. I'd say she's pretty popular overall.Nah, those two are legitimately insanely popular and have had more push behind them for way longer across the collective smash community. The boards exemplify their magnitude perfectly.
On a different note, I don't think I was ever added to the support barrel. It should have at least 220 supporters counting me, don't sell us one buddy short.
No worries, you were on the list! While searching for Ultin, I kept an eye out for you as well and here you are:Speaking of which, I don't seem to be on there as well, so I would like that please.
I kept PsychoWolf's name as a reference to where your name is and highlighted yours only for the purpose of this reply.
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Happy to have you aboard! Honestly, how she'll play out is up in the air ATM. I prefer Unique, then Semi, but I can't deny all the options seem possible and valid. I'm just a bit biased on what I think is likely LOL, but hey that's just my take. I'm glad we're at a point where we're confident in Dixie's chances in the 1st place. Huge weight off our backs.I feel honored now to be mentioned and to be a part of this support group. Hopefully, we will get Dixie in this game. I wonder if she will be either unique, semi-clone, clone or echo?
I agree. Dixie may not of been AS popular as K. Rool but she was still there in the running and had a good sized fan base. Correct me if I'm wrong because I definitely could be but I don't think anybody got a mii costume that was an AT in game or in that thing on the WiiU version that wasn't the superior 3DS Smash Run?The Smash ballot is influencing most of the newcomers in this game and Dixie had a pretty big presence on it. She showed up on every poll I had seen and ranked amongst the top 10 atleast. I'd say she's pretty popular overall.
No worries of course, I just wasn't sure if you had edited the list since I started coming on here a few weeks ago, so I didn't know if you had just not gotten to it yet. I expect this thread to begin to expand rapidly because a lot of the kutthroats are migrating, if they hadn't already.Hey...so I had multiple tabs going for this thread and forgot to save the OP with the list of every new supporter's name, but it was still in draft mode so I just saved it. Thanks to the people I've listed before, we've gone from 219 to 235, and now that AreJay25 , John Dylan Smith and Ultinarok have spoken up, we're at 238! Quite the jump I must admit; welcome to each of you; there's so much enthusiasm for Dixie now it's even more exciting to pop in this thread again. As for Ultin, sorry I didn't add you sooner. I could've sworn I did, but I combed through the list and sure enough you weren't there. Fixed it now though!
Also, if anyone wants to contribute with fanart, moveset ideas, music suggestions, potential alt colors, etc feel VERY FREE to do so. I need to reevaluate and revamp the OP in light of yesterday and this is a good time to suggest fan content.
No worries, you were on the list! While searching for Ultin, I kept an eye out for you as well and here you are:
I kept PsychoWolf's name as a reference to where your name is and highlighted yours only for the purpose of this reply.
Happy to have you aboard! Honestly, how she'll play out is up in the air ATM. I prefer Unique, then Semi, but I can't deny all the options seem possible and valid. I'm just a bit biased on what I think is likely LOL, but hey that's just my take. I'm glad we're at a point where we're confident in Dixie's chances in the 1st place. Huge weight off our backs.
Really!? That is really good to know! Thanks for sharing. I had no idea it was like that. Dixie might have more support than we are aware of here.Dixie does seem to have some big influence. During reaction videos to the direct, I saw a lot of people like eSam, MVD, Alpharad and ZeRo all excitedly questioning if they'd show Dixie at different points of the direct. Their viewers in the twitch feed were doing it a lot too. There's no doubt she's popular
What current echo "deserves" a fully-fleshed out moveset? I am very much a fan of some of these characters (Lucina, Dark Samus, somewhat Chrom), yet I would argue echo makes more sense for them. Dark Samus would probably have made the most sense, but Ridley was by far the front-runner for a new Metroid rep and while she could have been unique, she also makes reasonable sense as an echo, much more than Dixie would, imo. She was also probably not considered quite relevant or popular enough to be prioritized for so much, but again I would argue Dixie is.Dixie certainly deserves a unique moveset, but as we've seen thus far.. characters that deserve fully fleshed out movesets have been given echo status... as I think at this point Sakurai is trying to appease some fans with the character's appearance more so than having completely unique characters.. which I think helps Dixie even more since Sakurai may see applying Diddy's moveset to her as viable..
Chrom was the front-runner for Smash 4 speculation, but it was more out of being expected than wanted, especially when the Gematsu leak gained traction. There was a lot of pushback for...well, the reason he ultimately didn't get in, that he was just less interesting than Robin.Oh your absolutely right she's far more popular than Dark Samus by far. The only thing is, Chrom was by far the most popular FE choice in Smash 4 and was looked over first due to his moveset potential in favor of Robin and Lucina got thrown in.. now Smash 4 and Ultimate are two different situations but the point is Chrom who is pretty damn popular was slapped with Echo status. Dixie who at this point the most popular 1st party character left I'd say, is more than likely going to be hit with the same treatment. Echo Dixie imo is better than no Dixie.
And I'm certain if things were still the same today we wouldn't have all these K. Rool supporters coming over to the barrel now. Also I think your sentence got cut off here.It really is something beautiful. There was some genuine venom being spat back and forth and it was like the K
Yea, Dark Samus surprised me because her AT was using these flashy moves so I thought they had a prototype moveset for her and enough data to make one. I didn't consider they had more data to go off on with Samus than a prototype set so while I'm surprised she's an echo I'm not bummed about it.What current echo "deserves" a fully-fleshed out moveset? I am very much a fan of some of these characters (Lucina, Dark Samus, somewhat Chrom), yet I would argue echo makes more sense for them. Dark Samus would probably have made the most sense, but Ridley was by far the front-runner for a new Metroid rep and while she could have been unique, she also makes reasonable sense as an echo, much more than Dixie would, imo. She was also probably not considered quite relevant or popular enough to be prioritized for so much, but again I would argue Dixie is.
But of course, we'll have to wait and see what Sakurai thinks.
Chrom was the front-runner for Smash 4 speculation, but it was more out of being expected than wanted, especially when the Gematsu leak gained traction. There was a lot of pushback for...well, the reason he ultimately didn't get in, that he was just less interesting than Robin.
And I'm certain if things were still the same today we wouldn't have all these K. Rool supporters coming over to the barrel now. Also I think your sentence got cut off here.
What character wouldnt deserve a full moveset? Any character deserves to be unique. Go look around the boards and you can see fan move sets for just about anyone who is currently an Echo. Daisy could be unique, Dark Samus could be unique, Dark Pit is completely different from Pit in his game. There's plenty of Echoes who could be totally unique. I'm not a huge Fire Emblem fan but from what I've heard Lucina fights nothing like Marth in her game and Chrom is apparently different too. I'm just saying Sakurai isn't above making a clone character to appease fans even if the character could be unique which in many cases they could be.What current echo "deserves" a fully-fleshed out moveset? I am very much a fan of some of these characters (Lucina, Dark Samus, somewhat Chrom), yet I would argue echo makes more sense for them. Dark Samus would probably have made the most sense, but Ridley was by far the front-runner for a new Metroid rep and while she could have been unique, she also makes reasonable sense as an echo, much more than Dixie would, imo. She was also probably not considered quite relevant or popular enough to be prioritized for so much, but again I would argue Dixie is.
But of course, we'll have to wait and see what Sakurai thinks.
Chrom was the front-runner for Smash 4 speculation, but it was more out of being expected than wanted, especially when the Gematsu leak gained traction. There was a lot of pushback for...well, the reason he ultimately didn't get in, that he was just less interesting than Robin.
It's a little ironic how that leak that ended up being wrong about Chrom might have actually played a part in getting him into this game.
And I'm certain if things were still the same today we wouldn't have all these K. Rool supporters coming over to the barrel now. Also I think your sentence got cut off here.
I suppose you just see it differently than I do. "Deserve" probably isn't the best word to use, in any case. It's likely that these characters wouldn't have gotten in at all with a unique moveset; they're in as clones because they could be and that's the best they were going to get.What character wouldnt deserve a full moveset? Any character deserves to be unique. Go look around the boards and you can see fan move sets for just about anyone who is currently an Echo. Daisy could be unique, Dark Samus could be unique, Dark Pit is completely different from Pit in his game. There's plenty of Echoes who could be totally unique. I'm not a huge Fire Emblem fan but from what I've heard Lucina fights nothing like Marth in her game and Chrom is apparently different too. I'm just saying Sakurai isn't above making a clone character to appease fans even if the character could be unique which in many cases they could be.
Honestly, every single one of them have potential to have an unique moveset in the next Smash. It is not a matter of deserving an unique moveset or not. They don't have unique movesets because designing video game stuff is hard, takes time, money and other resources, but with the roster being this big now and Nintendo going all out to bring fan favorites this time, what else can they do next time, if there is a next time (and let's be honest, they will release more Smash games eventually)? Either they go back to cutting fighters to add new ones or they focus on improving existing fighters (such as echos). I say the latter is more likely, because people would be SO pissed about fighters being cut.What current echo "deserves" a fully-fleshed out moveset?
She is pretty popular. The thing is platformer fans don't endlessly talk about the games like say, Fire Emblem or Xenoblade Chronicles fans do. The games are lighter on the story aspect, after all. So people coming from RPGs seem more popular (and maybe they are, to some extent) but it is not like Dixie is not popular. She is cute, and lots of people like cute things. Plus, she is probably one of the most fun peeps to play as in a platformer. Who doesn't love playing as Dixie in DKC2/3?I don't think that Dixie is popular just here on Smashboards. I saw a lot of polls and Dixie was, at least, in the top 20. In a recent poll Dixie placed 18th, so she definitely has support.
He didn't say anything people haven't been saying since echoes were announced ._. "Oh, they took away Diddy's tail moves, clearly Dixie is an echo".So, for what it’s worth I did PM loz18 to ask if he had heard anything about Dixie and he said:
“I don't know but I think she will be an Echo of Diddy for two reasons. Diddy's attacks were changed to not include his tail so that may point to a change in pattern to fit Dixie. And the DK series is having an increase in representation so it makes sense. I'm not confirming it but there you go...”
I know he doesn’t know for sure but the fact that he thinks she is in makes me feel even more confident.