Ditto Match Madness

[wexs883198215]

My friend recently started playing Marth, and all he does is C-stick. It is super annoying, and when I approach, I almost always get hit by F-Smash. It annoys me so much. Any tips on punishing the C-stick spammer? Especially on approaches

 

[ArcNatural]

Easiest thing in the world. Stay grounded, learn to waveshield. Dash in, shield the Fsmash wavedash in to grab. Wavedashing out of shield is the most effective way of punishing them for Fmashing so much. You can also dash dance or wavedash back trying to bait him into an Fsmash then punish as well. Just remember that the Fsmash and Ftilt for the majority have better priority over all of Marth's aerial attacks. So it's better to stay grounded and try to start combos from grabs more often.

 

[LaserBust]

Agreed ^^. Bait is the name and punish is the game. Just dashdance till he spams Fsmash so much (and you punish him of course) that he never touches that yellow stick again. Wavedash is all you need, since marth's is a bit lenghty and decent speed I'd have to say wavedancing will be yur best friend here. And if it's rly THAT predictble run into him with a counter, lol thats fun. No seriously... do it, just not often, I'd do it probably once or twice a match if tahts serisously all he does.. Yea just wut Arc said, waveshield and wavedancin will own it up.

 

[Mar~]

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[Cactuar]

Since Marth's f-smash has much lag, you can seize or it attack after that your friend has trumped his f-smash it

I just got the biggest headache reading this sentence.


Failure.


(What language are you translating from?)

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I just got the biggest headache reading this sentence.


Failure.


(What language are you translating from?)

Cactaur's sig is so good. XD


I can't see how people just constantly get hit by an attack after getting hit by it once.If you figured out his playing style,isn't it obvious that he's going to do the same thing all over again?

Dash dance Fake out,CC at lower percentages then D-tilt,WD out of Shield,for christ sake you can even run at him WD back then attack him.

Jesus,it's like the people on smash boards are masochistic people that just love to run into obvious attacks. >_>

 

[LaserBust]

Cactaur's sig is so good. XD

Loool, happy you said something I thought it was an advertisement, lol.. shoulda payed more attention..

Jesus,it's like the people on smash boards are masochistic people that just love to run into obvious attacks. >_>

Lol ppl just want the best ways to do something so they post silly questions like this 1 to usualy get a fairly simple response. Lol a good ex. is .. FalcoMaaasta - How do you shorthop better (expectin some secret techinique..) IknowAllDuuuuh- Just pratice..

 

[Miggz]

I wish you record your matches if yah can...that's one of the best ways to correct yourself. Of course in this case, you don’t need to see yahself make this kind of error, but I guess if you have one like this, good chance you have more important things to correct. You just watch your matches, see the both obvious habits and ones that require more perception. I noticed a HUGE improvement in my game when I start watching/analyzing my Marth game. Well my game in general since I also play Fox, Sheik and Jiggz. I mean don't get me wrong, the advice everyone one in this thread gave will indeed help you out and fix that simple error, and future ones, but some errors in this game can be corrected in a better (possibly quicker manner) if you record and watch it again and again, vs playing your friend, improving, but can’t watch anything. I won't wish you luck in this predicament cause you can get over it no time, but I do wish yah luck with training as a whole.

 

[Binx]

Rather than waste space on a real thread I am actually having some problems with marth dittos as well, I really wish I had a recording device so I could get better examples, basically he forward throws me a ton of times and I get forward smashed or I grab the ledge, I've tried DIing away(usually ends in a tipper to my face while DIing towards the death) DIing down which as far as I can tell results in more grabs and DI up which is pretty much the same as DIing away but without the dying, the dying happens a bit later with the edgegaurd. One thing I have notices is if I jump first I get comboed first, so I have stopped doing that, we have dash dance contests now to see who will try and swing first, he's more patient than I am unfortunately so I have started throwing out some random dash attacks every now and again cause he usually expects fairs. Obviously there is a lot more going on, I am just really unsure how to approach another Marth, he usually plays fox and I was winning so he picked Marth so he could have "access to some of the cheap I had" and I have no idea how to play against him where as I main marth and he knows most of my tricks.

 

[Miggz]

I am just really unsure how to approach another Marth, he usually and I have no idea how to play against him where as I main Marth and he knows most of my tricks.

I use to have the same problem, but nowadays I LOVE Marth dittos. I won't lie to you, when it comes to any ditto, it all comes down to who is the better player, even more then when two different characters do battle. The key to be awesome at Marth dittos is to get a grab as early as possible. This doesn't mean approach EVERY battle with a grab as an opening move, but its yah best option. Trust me, when a good Marth grabs another Marth, the grabbed Marth is in for hell. A Marth starting at zero percent a Marth is only suppose to get chain-grabbed twice by another a Marth. You just gota practice your DI. Lucky me for me, I was kinda naturally gifted at it cause I was doing it long before I knew it had a name. Best advice I can give you is if you get knocked in the air one way, hold your joystick away from your opponent, and keep holding it till you hit the ground. Here is another trick. Your falling away (DI) from your opponent and they rushing at you. Use your C stick and knock them back with a fair, very effective. Just keep playing Marth dittoes. I have an idea...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ug1msPEUx4

here...watch my Marth ditto match. It should help you out a bit. If you have questions, let me know.

 

[Mar~]

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[wexs883198215]

Wow such response. I actually don't have anything to record myself with...
I realized I was approaching by the air a little too much, since I main Fox.....

 

[JesiahTEG]

LOL dude, here's what a marth ditto is.

1.Gayness
2.Grabs
3.Edgeguard
4.Gayness

LOL nah but seriously dude, you know what a Dash Dance is? Learn to dash dance, then move into his range real quick and then just dashdance back out and then back in. It will kill him and you won't lose. The way you described him he's worse than a lv 9 comp.

 

[wexs883198215]

Well, as I mentioned, he recently started playing marth. as in like 1 day ago
so yea
and fyi, i was mainly very annoyed, not like getting owned

 

[LaserBust]

and fyi, i was mainly very annoyed, not like getting owned

Yea dont you hate that? Just remember once you hit that "Ok im just sick and freakin tired of you" or that "annoyed point" just try to kool off, slow down the game pace and relax. It happenz to me all the time vs. my friend who does absolutly NOTHING but spam bombs and boomerangs untill I approach.. heck sometimes he spams boomerangs and bombs right infront of my face.. untill I Fsmash em =p.

 

[FrostByte]

Rather than waste space on a real thread I am actually having some problems with marth dittos as well, I really wish I had a recording device so I could get better examples, basically he forward throws me a ton of times and I get forward smashed or I grab the ledge, I've tried DIing away(usually ends in a tipper to my face while DIing towards the death) DIing down which as far as I can tell results in more grabs and DI up which is pretty much the same as DIing away but without the dying, the dying happens a bit later with the edgegaurd. One thing I have notices is if I jump first I get comboed first, so I have stopped doing that, we have dash dance contests now to see who will try and swing first, he's more patient than I am unfortunately so I have started throwing out some random dash attacks every now and again cause he usually expects fairs. Obviously there is a lot more going on, I am just really unsure how to approach another Marth, he usually plays fox and I was winning so he picked Marth so he could have "access to some of the cheap I had" and I have no idea how to play against him where as I main marth and he knows most of my tricks.

You can approach him with a dash - dtilt. I remember having dd contests some months ago before I started abusing the dtilt. Dtilt/any random lowlag attack > grab > ownage. You can get out of the grab by double jumping/retreating aerial after getting hit though.

I won't lie to you, when it comes to any ditto, it all comes down to who is the better player, even more then when two different characters do battle.

No, it all comes down to who is better at playing against that character.

 

[Retroking2000]

frostbyte learned it from me lol anyways since marth has so much range when marth deos a move it is easy to strike him beacuse of the neutral sword animation so be passive aggressive wait to bait him into a move then BANG .................. (^.^)