Discussion: The Process of Unlocking Characters and Other Content

Do you like the unlock process in past games?

  • YES! I love spacing out the reveals!

    Votes: 244 54.7%
  • I don't mind it. It's neat once.

    Votes: 111 24.9%
  • I'm not a fan. I try to complete it quickly.

    Votes: 47 10.5%
  • NO! Just lemme play the game!

    Votes: 44 9.9%

  • Total voters
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Yes. It is better, But that's like saying a stone being thrown at your head is better than being shot. I mean, yeah it is better. But it's still not good.
Even through the shop means, I'm still collecting them fairly quickly. I am about to crack 800 songs after just one week of playing.
Do the My Music settings just not apply to online matches in this?
For me, they seem to apply only 60% of the time.
I want to unlock the Norfair theme, but i can’t find it anywhere.
I found that one in the shop. Just keep checking back every so often.
 
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Does anyone actually enjoy unlocking things? It was good in 64, Melee and Brawl when there was no/primitive online, but I think we're now at the point where everything should just be unlocked in Smash; like it actually feels like I'm playing the game now that I have all the characters unlocked, whereas it was like I was demoing it before.
 

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I think the Classic Mode unlock chains should have been themed

Here's how they should have been arranged:

(in no particular order)
Mario: Bowser, Bowser Jr., Daisy, Dr. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Rosalina & Luma, Sonic
Donkey Kong: Diddy Kong, Ken, King K. Rool, Little Mac, Mr. Game & Watch, Pac-Man, Ryu, Snake
Samus: Bayonetta, Dark Samus, Inkling, Isabelle, Lucina, Palutena, Wii Fit Trainer, Zero Suit Samus
Link: Ganondorf, Marth, Pit, Sheik, Simon, Toon Link, Young Link, Zelda
Yoshi: Chrom, Cloud, Corrin, Ike, Richter, Robin, Roy, Wario
Kirby: Dark Pit, Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers, King Dedede, Lucas, Meta Knight, Ness, Villager
Fox: Captain Falcon, Falco, Mega Man, Olimar, R.O.B., Ridley, Shulk, Wolf
Pikachu: Greninja, Incineroar, Jigglypuff, Lucario, Mewtwo, Pichu, Pokémon Trainer

Mario's chain would consist of other characters in his series, and his former rival Sonic

DK would have the other characters in his series and numerous other characters that debuted in the 1980s on a non-NES/Famicom platform

Samus would have all the female characters not in Mario or Zelda

Link would have all the characters in his series, plus 3 "cool" characters that also debuted on the NES in America or Famicom in Japan

Yoshi would have Wario, the one remaining Mario sidearm character, plus characters would would likely see Yoshi as a beast that must be defeated

Kirby has the other characters in his series, plus other cute characters and Dark Pit (who is assigned to Kirby arbitrairily)

Fox has other characters from science fiction games

Pikachu would have all the other characters in his series

This makes more sense than just randomly assigning characters to unlock chains.
 
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TriforceBun

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Speaking only for myself, but I love unlocking characters, Spirits, music, etc. The more the better. In fact, I'm probably in the minority in that I would've preferred getting new characters at a slightly SLOWER pace in Ultimate.
 

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Just unlocked what is presumed to be all music tracks (876) yesterday. All that is left is the challenges and spirit board.
Would you say that the remaining 26 I need will come from a run through World of Light? Building up to that 850 was fairly simple. Music was always showing up in the shop. I haven't seen anything since unlocking all characters through Classic Mode, I believe.
 
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Question on the challenger approaching door:

If I lose to a character, then lose to others, do I have to unlock the first character before the following ones appear? Or do they loop or is it random?

EDIT: Got my answer tonight; they do loop. So now I have everybody except for the one character who I choose to keep behind the door for personal reasons.
 
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Would you say that the remaining 26 I need will come from a run through World of Light? Building up to that 850 was fairly simple. Music was always showing up in the shop. I haven't seen anything since unlocking all characters through Classic Mode, I believe.
There are several music tracks in both the challenges and world of light. Be sure to take your time in world of light as there is a track or two that is easily missed.
 

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I like unlocking things. It makes it feel special, the first time you're playing a Smash game. Honestly I think I would have liked unlocking levels as well, provided there weren't any ludicrously stupid unlock conditions. I cite Mewtwo's unlock method in Melee, or having to play Smash Tour for Pac-Land in Wii U.

That said, I don't like having to unlock game features. There were some extra settings you had to unlock in Melee, and you have to beat World of Light to change the menu music in Ultimate.
 

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I also like unlocking things, but they definitely went overboard with 66; they should've just had the newcomers/new stages be unlockable.
 
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Okay. I am not a fan of the unlock process here. Unlocking characters was quick and fun via World of Light, but everything else.... this is lame. I hate just having to randomly wait for all these spirits and songs to show up in the board and on the shop.

Why can’t the spirit board list the whole collection. Challenge them as many times as you want as often as you want, you just have to wait a cooldown period if you loose to a particular spirit. The way the board is now is designed to keep you captive. Especially due to the fact that you get repeats all the bloody time.

Same with the music. Like, just list the songs out in the sound test and put a gold count next to each. Or even just... not force you to unlock it. They advertised this huge amount of tracks and you’d be able to make playlists and carry it around like an iPod. But the way it is, I found it easier to just, download rips of the songs and listen to them all on my phone. That should not have been the easiest option here. They show themselves in the foot.

And the Fighter Spirits. Why do we just have to wait for them to show up in the store. Why can’t we unlock them by, idk, finishing another mode. Or even finishing classic mode in that costume? Never mind that you cannot even USE the Mii Fighters in classic mode.

This whole system just... it just sucks.
 

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Okay. I am not a fan of the unlock process here. Unlocking characters was quick and fun via World of Light, but everything else.... this is lame.
But everything besides characters is optional and not really important to gameplay.

Like... you don't NEED all the spirits other than to say that you got all the spirits. And it's the unlock process that makes that an accomplishment, so if it were easier then having all the spirits would neither be useful nor an accomplishment. What's the point?
 
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But everything besides characters is optional and not really important to gameplay.

Like... you don't NEED all the spirits other than to say that you got all the spirits. And it's the unlock process that makes that an accomplishment, so if it were easier then having all the spirits would neither be useful nor an accomplishment. What's the point?
I don’t want it to be easy. Just don’t want it to be random. I want to be able to pick the spirits I want and fight them. I don’t want them to then leave and have to wait for them to randomly pop up. And I e em more don’t want to have to wait for songs and Fighter spirits to just randomly pop up in the shop. Regular spirits, sure I get that. But since this is literally the only way to get the Fighter spirits, they could at least all be listed there.
 

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Does anyone actually enjoy unlocking things? It was good in 64, Melee and Brawl when there was no/primitive online, but I think we're now at the point where everything should just be unlocked in Smash; like it actually feels like I'm playing the game now that I have all the characters unlocked, whereas it was like I was demoing it before.
I do not, and only enjoyed it the first time I unlocked the Smash 64 characters. It was novel then, and I was also in elementary school. After the first time it became a chore. Mewtwo's unlock requirement in Melee was especially stupid. 20 hours of Vs Mode? Who's bright idea was that? When I baught this game, the first thing I did was speed-unlock all the characters with my sister (play vs game, beat the challenger, reset the game, repeat). And when my sister bought a switch, we did the exact same thing for her game.

I knew I disliked unlocks, but I didn't really realize exactly how much until I bought Pokken Tournament. When I discovered the full roster was available right from the start, it just felt so....complete. Perfect. I never want to do the stupid grind for unlockable characters again, which is why I was at least relieved by the news that this game's unlock process was so simple and didn't require any stupidly specific criteria (like defeat the first level of adventure mode with a time ending in 2! Or finding some specific hidden doors that are off the beaten path in story mode!)
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They already did something like that
(Aware it’s adventure mode)
That is only one game mode. I'm find with the story mode requiring you to unlock characters before you use them, but all the other modes should have them available from the start.
 

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I actually really enjoy unlocking everything in Melee. It felt super rewarding and like a game within itself.

I mean, Ultimate was obviously a ****ing joke - how many unlockable characters were there? 60-some?

The Luigi criteria in Melee is kinda ridiculous; the characters should come from naturally playing the game and not something super-specific like that.
 

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I like the process of unlock characters in Ultimate. The only process I dont like is the process of unlock the possibility of change the menu music. I dont understand or support the idea that everyone must listen the same menu music as a penality for not want to finish World of Light. This is kind of stupid to me.
 
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I do not really mind unlocking as long as I can get to R.O.B. fast. In fact, I would love to have a Smash Bros. that starts with only R.O.B. and would let me unlock all other characters in a huge story mode. If only Gunpai Yokoi could make a Smash Bros.…
 
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