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most mario maker forms have permanent walkoffs, caves of life, and/or lava (a perpetually present stage hazard), if the layout is still random it's definitely not going to be legal
Speculating for lack of video evidence to the contrary, but it's possible hazardless Mario Maker somehow restricts the stage elements it gets to work with. (Unlikely, I know, but the possibility exists for now.)
help(this is hazards off, btw) #SSBU pic.twitter.com/yYDm7VqY8A
— Connie 🏳️⚧️ 🔜 ROA2 (@ConnieCastsFGS) November 26, 2018
Kalos is on that list (leftmost stage on the middle row of the counterpicks). I don't get why they excluded Wuhu, though; in the poll they put up, people were for it 52-48. I guess they thought it, YI, and Halberd would be too many static monoplats, and it was the most contentious of the three. I'd imagine they excluded Dracula's for similar reasons.
Missed it, thanks. And yeah, I forgot Dracula's Castle. Prism Tower and New Donk are also high on my personal list of "stages to seriously consider."
Yup I am ok with this. Hopefully some of the tentative stages make it in. Also hopefully PS or FoD are considered neutral enough that we won't get Smashville game 1 all the time.
personally, I would hope that we consider both Dracula's castle and rainbow cruise, concerning being forced to jump.
Oh yeah, I should probably sign up for that.
Agreed. Especially if we're going with a "let's test things out" mentality, there's really no reason to start with such a small list right off the bat. I feel that sort of defeats the purpose of, you know, testing.
Lots of people think T&C is banworthy because one of the platform layouts which can lead to around 30 seconds of camping every time it comes up. We don't know yet how had it'll be, but it might end up banned for that reason.
More focused testing rather than testing stages that'll eventually go away. Plenty of stages (like Castle Siege, or Frigate Orpheon, or WarioWare) will be tested in that list anyway, and other tournaments will test other stages.
I do appreciate it having castle siege and Frigate there. I also looked at it and thought "too conservative." Then, I looked again and thought "it's still awesome, though!" We really have a lot of good stuff to work with!
No. If you only test a narrow range of stages that fit a preconceived notion of what constitutes a good stage, then you're just paying lip service to the idea of testing in the first place. You have to test more than just what you think will work. You have to test what you're not sure at all about and what you don't think will work. The unknown and negative cases. Not necessarily at regular tournament events, mind you, I'll concede that, but I feel like I need to trot out the old chestnut about assuming.
Oh, I'm fine with people testing many stages the first week or so on their own, I might do that as well. Still, tournament testing takes more effort and having some focus is probably valuable.
People are saying it's more of a Kirby-thing than a Lylat thing, and from what I've heard Lylat is better than in Smash 4, so it probably shouldn't get banned, at least not early. It seems better than most other stages people want to try, anyway.
FoD drops frames when doing specific actions like hitting the water. This may not be a problem on release but if there isn't a patch to fix it then FoD is ded.
— Kurogane Hammer (@KuroganeHammer) November 27, 2018
It apparently doesn't happen on the BF version of it though from what I hear. pic.twitter.com/4ZCLQzaW8t
Apparently the video is in 40 fps and it's more noticeable in 60 fps.
That same dataminer said that Warioware's horizontal blastzones are 180 in either direction, which is both the same as Smash 4 and ~3/4 the size of the average legal stage in Smash 4. The vertical blastzone is significantly higher than it used to be, though the exact number is misleading; Warioware's main stage is higher up relative to the center than most other stages.
People discuss stages to depth and make logical and sound arguments why the stages are flawed and should be banned, your response: Indirectly calling them "bad whiny players".'
Isn't it mostly that we need to have either 5 or 9 starters exactly, so those outside of that number end up as counter-picks? Anyway, WarioWare will likely end up legal for a while at least, so we probably don't really need to discuss it right now.
Yes, mathematically speaking you need 4n + 1 stages for a traditional striking system to be fair to both players. So 13, 17, 21, etc. would also work but that rapidly approaches "excessively time consuming" territory without a new process.
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here, are there any other stages that you actually have faith in? Because at this point, I'm really having difficulty relating with this perspective.
Here's what I think: At this point in time, given what we know, those 7 stages seem like the most likely stages to end up legal in a year or so. Other stages will be tested early on, some will be dismissed fairly early (like Brinstar, Skyloft, Prism Tower, Halberd etc) while others might be legal for a while before they're eventually banned (like Castle Siege, Frigate Orpheon, and WarioWare). Unova Pokémon Stadium looks good but it's probably too similar to Pokémon Stadium 2.Being completely honest, this kind of attitude makes me question what even is considered a "good" competitive stage anymore. Like the only ones I feel comfortable in recognizing are Battlefield, Final Destination, Smashville, and hazardless PS2. Past that, I honestly have no clue. I would think Yoshi's Island Brawl, Kalos, and Lylat Cruise would be easy shoe-ins as well, but apparently not? Seriously, I'm at a loss for what's even considered a good stage anymore. Asking someone like
Overall yea I think ppl will want to ban stages because they're too similar, unless there's a way to prevent that with sets or rotations. It would be sort of a shame because we could have a wider music selection. But not the end of the world, especially for Pokemon.
Omega and Battlefield variants exist, they could provide plenty of music variety. Let's encourage top players on stream to pick Omega/Battlefield variants!
Many people are saying Yoshi's Brawl is similar to Smashville, so we'll see. It's worth testing, at least.
Battlefield is clearly better than FoD for flavor reasons, remember that you now can use Battlefield forms of any stage (including FoD).
As hilarious as it would be for Battlefield to be a banned stage, I agree with this. If only one triplat is going to be allowed, it's the clear winner.
