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Ultimate's engine is nothing like Melee's, honestly. I don't think you can realistically compare the two. I know 4 had some sort of engine feature that neutered wall infinites in particular, and chaingrabs aren't a concern either because you're immune to regrabs for a second or two after getting thrown.
Big Blue should be legal even with hazards on
I legitimately did enjoy that event for what it's worth.Big Blue should be legal even with hazards on
That's basically my only concern. But with footstools being techable, regrab timer being a thing, and the various other engine differences in Ultimate, I'd still think it needs testing instead of being banned over a fear of possible infinites.
It's an interesting enough proposal. On a functional level, it seems competitively sound. I have some suspicions that at logical extremes the stage morph function will deteriorate into avoiding conflict. One player will want to avoid conflict when the stage is disadvantageous to them and seek it when it is advantageous. Also might have issues with the stock format since a game is rarely ever exactly a certain time length where players will see equal play time on their specific stages selections. I know you try to address the criticisms in your post, but saying it isn't an issue because of interval length doesn't necessarily mean it's not going to be an issue.I wrote an analysis of stage selection methods, including a critical look at current striking methods and a proposed alternative which involves Stage Morphs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/..._striking_and_large_stage_lists_does_it_work/
I would post it directly to this thread, but A) I don't want to drop a giant wall of text and B) I originally wrote this for the markdown format used for reddit, not for bbcode formatting.
Could go Galaxy Brain and question if one player avoiding conflict is always not exciting to watch:
![SSBU-Big_Blue[1].png](https://smashboards.com/data/attachments/178/178305-f34df48bd92e539ae51577af77dfc6b8.jpg "SSBU-Big_Blue[1].png")
After Rainbow Cruise ended up being just the boat, I'm cautiously optimistic.
Same. Idea of a legal F-Zero stage would be great, especially for the music
The nice thing is, even in a worst-case scenario, there's always an F-Zero Battlefield.
If Big Blue functions similarly to Rainbow Cruise in how the stages travel, I could very well see the hazardless stage just being on the Falcon Flyer.
Sounds pretty good to me. Good variety of stages, no redundancy. You can still play other stages outside of tournaments anyway.
So having 1 battlefield as starter and 3 as counterpick is fair?
I would probably replace Yoshi's Story, Fountain of Dreams and Dream Land with some other stages.
We should start with 6 and increase to 7 or 8 if needed, in my opinion.
Oh thank god.
I'd say it's more like we wanted to replace some bad stages (like Smash 4 Lylat) with better stages, not that we necessarily wanted to play on 15+ stages. I never wanted 15+ stages. Even 10 would be double of what Smash 4 had near the end.
i'm sure that's what a lot of people thought but i'm also sure that a significant portion of people want a stagelist that's as big as possible. like a lot of folks in this thread.
my current stagelist concept has the dual plat pokémon stages banned together with stadium 2 as the starter as it has the most medium-sized blast zones (in smash 4, anyways)
Yes, skyloft, brinstar and wuhu have sharkable platforms (brinstar won't be an issue).
i think it deserves testing, i was just curious if it was still semisoft. i am a little biased against it though because it makes me horribly motion sick
Sure, I could see it being close to a 50/50 split even, though in the end, TOs seem to generally prefer a "smaller" (like 9-11) stage list.
yeah that's kinda where i'm at; 11-13 stages is my ideal, i want a manageable number with a good amount of stages. my current list (which i'll most likely be running online tournaments with unless labbing results in changes) has 12 stages (2 of which are singles-only) with 4 alternates and 3 doubles-only stages
I like the second to last option the most
If we're going with a 3-2-1 or 5-2-1 I don't think I'd be totally upset if stages with odder layouts were grouped into one category as well.
Groupings off the top of my head, note that I'll be including all stages with even a chance of legality:
It's tricky to try to trace tendencies like that. The smash community is not a hive-mind that inevitably decides to play on 5 stages every time. It's a bunch of different people with different preferences and a history that spans only four games with particular stage lists. This game not only features basically every stage ever legal, but also makes a plethora of new ones legal via a hazards toggle. This is new ground, I see no reason to extrapolate from previous games to say we'll end up with only 5 stages in Ultimate.
Also, it never seemed to me that we ended up with customs banned because the smash community in general isn't as liberal as smashboards posters. I always thought that the reason customs didn't get traction is because very few people want to have a miserable time grinding for custom moves for dozens of hours when they could be having fun playing smash. And all of that grinding would be only to allow a metagame to develop around custom moves, which could still prove itself to be terribly imbalanced anyway. This is just to say that I don't think that customs having been banned in Smash 4 indicates anything in regards to the stage list in Ultimate.
Amazing Ampharos
Could you please elaborate on this random stage pick element in game 3 and why it is/isn't an issue?
