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Even with 2 weeks to discuss each character, sometimes there just isn't enough time to thoroughly discuss them because people who would otherwise comment don't have enough experience with the match-ups being discussed. In order to keep the main match-up thread going and to avoid slowing things down, these match-ups are still only discussed there for the same amount of time as all the other match-ups. Since these characters still need to be discussed, that's what making separate threads is for.
Basically, discussion is about the same as on the main match-up thread, except since this is a re-discussion, the re-discussion lasts for a month (or longer, if necessary), then whatever we come up with will be posted in the second post in the match-up thread.
Here's what people have said on these match-ups already:
Bowser Jr:
Diddy Kong:
Basically, discussion is about the same as on the main match-up thread, except since this is a re-discussion, the re-discussion lasts for a month (or longer, if necessary), then whatever we come up with will be posted in the second post in the match-up thread.
Here's what people have said on these match-ups already:
Bowser Jr:
Diddy Kong:
Hey Dr. A, my internet has been ridiculously slow so I never got to add some input on TL vs Didddy.
The MU is definitely in Diddys favor since due to 2 reasons. 1. Tink has issues w/ characters who're fast 2. Diddy does well vs floaty characters as he can string his aerials well, and will always have time to pull a banana.
I'd say 55:45 from those I've faced, but it's probably worse.
Aeirals:
In the air we're at a clear disadvantage. Since we can't do much to characters below us besides with a bomb throw, Diddys Uair easily connects and can lead to other strings. Even if Uair is his go-to move it will still kill us relatively early, it still has high knockback when stale, and when it's fresh, Diddy can do Dtilt>SH'd Uair for an easy KO.
Diddy's will likely be fishing for Uairs when you recover onto the stage, since Jumping up from ledges is not safe.
His Dair spikes, and also auto-cancels if they use it right before they land on stage. You probably wont see it being used much as it has a small hitbox but it hits hard.
His Nair sends you upwards and strings with more of his Uair, combined with it's low landing lag you'll see this often.
Diddy's really quick so while you're recovering beware his Bair/Fair as they are very quick and not really punishable, and also kill. Diddy will actually be able to combo any of his Aerials besides Dair if he gets a Dthrow in, so DI up and away, and try to guess which move he's going to use next to know if you need to jump or airdodge. You can expect two Bairs at low %. TL has an easier time escaping his Dthrow>Uair than most IMO.
His Fair trades damage well, so don't approach it directly. Shield grab any grounded approaches against this.
Diddy's tilts:
Dtilt: This moves is great. It can clank with our attacks, and leads to a grab or another Dtilt often. At high percents he can Dtitlt you then Uair, as it sends you upwards. He can Dtilt with a banana in hand, so your best bet will be to shield this or roll backwards(risky).
Ftilt: Good for spacing as it has long range, a bit of ending lag but is quick nonetheless.
Utilt: Similar to our Utilt but there's not much of a hitbox behind him.
Smashes:
All of his smashes kill, so you'll probably want to avoid these or shield them and then punish w/ or grab or whatever. The back hit of Dsmash is stronger than the front hit btw. Fsmash has 3 hits and should be shielded or w/e.
Specials:
Peanut Gun: can be annoying offtsage, it's good for pressure and limiting your movements. Though onstage they'll be destroyed by almost anything, and will rarely be seen as he has better options.
Banana: Always use this against him when you have the chance, you can hold it while spamming rang and arrows, and then plan out how to punish his approaches. If it hits your shield jump up and catch it, possibly insta-toss it back.
Diddy Flip: If a Diddy's being aggressive w/ these they're easy to punish, you can spotdodge them or even shield the kick. If he gets the grab always mash out. You can expect him to Nair after the release, or recover if he's offstage.
Though GOOD Diddy's know how not to get punished. When this moved is short-hopped and Smashed kicked, Diddy will actually get momentum/slide boost when he lands. The way this works is the move ends just as he lands, and then he will close some distance to us so that he can catch us w/ a Dtilt, smash attack or grab (think of JCT slide). You will be seeing this often as Diddys like the SH>Banana throw to mixthings up and keep you guessing, and then hop over projectiles with the Diddy Flip. I might add that the momentum can be crouch canceled if he crawls backwards after, and then followed up w/ a Dtilt instantly.
A lot of this match is going to be spent spamming and harassing him on and offstage to possibly get a gimp in. His recovery can easily go wrong w/ good use of bombs, and the wishful thinking that he wont sweet-spot the ledge. Punish the little things he messes up on like dash attacks, or wild grabs. I haven't played many Diddy's btw. They're not really popular in For Glory. He is one of the 3 characters I play so I know a bit about his moves, not necessarily how to combat them.
