Am I missing something with fonti? I know that she’s part of the xkcd folk, I’m wondering if I’m reading her as town for something that you guys (looking at Bessie, laser, maybe sabrar but I can’t exactly recall, I vaguely remember one other person sussing her) might read as AI or even scummy with her meta considered.
Quick summary because we shouldn’t all assume everyone knows everyone’s history.
xkcd – bessie, LaserGuy, Sabrar, somitomi, Wam
Dgames – FrozenFlame, Gorf, Maven, Swiss, Eido (newbie)
MTGS – fontisian
I don’t think that anyone is necessarily missing anything. It’s still relatively early in the game and we’re in our information gathering stage. +0
It was a joke about what level we're playing the game at, meant to be a little bit self-deprecating.
Yeah I can be dense when it comes to jokes; no one gets mine, and others often go over my head. Perhaps the dashes would have made it clearer. +0
We've talked about this before. I don't like fleshing out my reads in the thread early on Day 1, especially regarding stronger players. But one of my townreads was apparently scumreading me for a "lack of content" and other people were talking about it, which meant in order to meet my responsibilities I needed to share more thoughts.
We probably did discuss this before and I forgot about it; my encyclopedic memory for old mafia games seems to have been something distinctive to xkcd and has not carried over as well to this site. Restoring a point. +1
Nuance is not the same thing as waffling. And I don't have an issue with waffling specifically, from Laser or anyone else. I dislike that Laser's Eido townread as gotten stronger as mine has gotten weaker. I do not scumread Laser at this time, I'm still mulling it over.
Noted. +0
I responded to your #200 post in #201.
Ok.
Eido
, can you react to
#201 and confirm that those are your thoughts?
I understand your style, yes. I think it is flawed, not wolfy, because you miss the forest for the trees. I think you arrived in the high negatives for Eido because you were more critical and nitpicky of his posts than you were of similar issues from other people.
In my daily catchup posts, I am looking at the trees, as I have explained multiple times. On weekdays I don’t have time to appreciate the beauty of the forest. And if it looks like I am being more nitpicky with Eido, it is because I have found more to nitpick from Eido. -1
I think it is important that none of us lose sight that this is why we are here. +0
That would be lovely, thank you. More recent games are preferable if possible.
Original request for reference #210:
Laser townreads her for her interest in the game, and if I tilt my head and squint I can maybe see it. I'll need to look at more games to compare. His townread felt a bit like a wolf bolstering a buddy, but he could be correct on her, even if he is scum. Probably not wrong on her if he's town, but it's early, so his read may yet change.
Refer to
this post (from the most recent game on this forum) where LaserGuy is referring to my opening, you can read through the thread a bit I think LaserGuy explains this later.
I could find some more examples from this forum (as town and as scum) but the games are long and the search feature not very good. Also, as stated before, I don’t seem to have the same recall I used to have.
There are some not too old games in the xkcd game archive, see
this post for a link to some old games I reconstructed from google cache. I would recommend Brooklyn 99 Mafia, please refer to Zenii’s reply on the bottom of Page 5 to my OP. It is also the easiest in format to read (it’s the only game I had in screenshots). If you want an amusing read, I would recommend Newbie New Year for the interaction between BoomFrog and Hari Seldon. It’s also a good example the classic bessie/LaserGuy conflict.
Side note, you have no idea how deeply it pains me not to be able to give you some more recent examples from xkcd, but the
most recent mostly archived game in the Wayback Machine is from 2017. It is a favorite of mine if you want to skim it, I am town.
Bruh, if Eido is town he obviously knows I'm not his partner. The -1 on this should be because it's just kind of weird? Like, it's a statement, but it doesn't dig into my mindset at all, and it isn't paranoid that I'm trying to pocket him, which he has been very worried about previously.
I don’t know that Eido is town, why would you expect me to have this point of view? +0
Overall good content post. +1
#237 Valid response by fonti to LaserGuy. +1
1.The idea that I would possibly treat a scummate like I've treated Wam this game is actually kind of insulting.
If there’s one thing I find more suspicious than LAMIST posts, it’s “would I do that as scum” posts. -1
fontisian
Yeh, the point you raised about the questions is why I took timeout to reread the game. When you’re faced with lots of questions, it becomes difficult to split your time doing more useful things. If I answer them all, I need extra time to scum hunt, and sometimes that extra time just isn’t available. So managing everyone’s expectations is proving to be really hard. I hope to get better at this though. Anyway, moving on. Gonna put out some thoughts
It just feels more like you’re trying to manage everyone’s perceptions, not expectations. -1
I would say his play here looks like it’s becoming similar to the Werewolves game. This is in terms of the amount he’s posting and how he’s going about chatting to people, mainly from the last 2 pages.
Eido if time management is an issue, why are you bothering with old games? Quit trying to figure people out by comparing them to past performance, looking for magic meta tells. I sometimes use meta in my reads, but it’s with people I know and have been playing with for a while (and I can link to a post that is clear in my memory without hours of searching). And even then I feel meta reads are very unreliable especially with experienced players. And I never use a scum or town tell as a
basis for a read because I find magic tells are more often wrong then right (reference Newbie New Year Mafia). -1
I’ve only known three players that possess the magic gift, and none of them are in this game. Though I kinda wonder about fonti.
https://smashboards.com/threads/decisive-games-newd3-mafia-day-1-starts-4-14-12-am-mdt-deadline-4-20-12-am-mdt.513025/post-24360725
I liked this on reread. He keeps himself uninfluenced by Swiss, reminding himself of my play in Werewolves. It looks like he wants to believe in it and see it through.
https://smashboards.com/threads/decisive-games-newd3-mafia-day-1-starts-4-14-12-am-mdt-deadline-4-20-12-am-mdt.513025/post-24361008
Here I feel Scum could take an opportunity to rise above their opposition, or become more sensitive to it. But Gorf is like, ‘Oh I see, but’. It reads relaxed whilst still being maintaining his position. Also, this is the clearest he's explained his read.
I'm mindful that I don't have a good profile on Gorf to confidently say he's Town, but I'm leaning here right now. Kinda wish there was another recent scum game to draw from because the last one was back in 2014.
I kinda liked this post at first, but what ruined it was Eido using the excuse that he didn’t have a recent Gorf scum game to compare and using that as a hedge for a wrong read. +1-1
So I think Scum would still use Gorf's push as an opportunity. I wouldn’t necessarily expect it to be as obvious with a vote. More like eyeing up the option so it’s available to them either now or in the future. Maven & Bessie fall in to this specific category.
Hahaha I don’t need to use any of Gorf’s observations as a basis for making a read. All my content is based on my own independent thoughts and I have been transparent about my methods. -1
Why didn't you vote here? I look extremely bad to you. You had positive points assigned for Gorf & Swiss who were on the wagon. What stopped you?
I’ve explained this. I’m in my information gathering stage. I do not have time on weekdays to make comprehensive analysis of the thread content as a whole. And I’ve also explained how my point system is skewed and why. What makes you think you look
extremely bad to me and why? You’re projecting a thought you think I have, and it is telling. -1
Just because Gorf and Swiss are thinking something, why would that influence me from making a objective read? +0
I don’t vote “early and often”. This is very well documented (I won’t pull out any of a dozen references because it is a dead end for you to read a dozen old games just to confirm this), but this is easily confirmable by many other players in this game, and it is NAI. +0
LaserGuy
Sabrar
Wam
somitomi
fontisian
Can at least two of you confirm this (two being the minimum number needed so that at least one of them is not a possible partner of scum!me)?
Can you talk to me about Wam? The points system is becoming skewed against myself, and now Fonti. But your Wam read, which started as a negative, hasn't developed much. Why has there been no movement/focus here? I'm referring to your recent list:
You’re again hmm forgetting what I have previously explained about my point system, refer to
#195 and
#231 . +0
In my daily readthrough, I haven’t found much in Wam’s content that I have noted. Why should I be forcing reads? -1
Maven's content on reread feels tonally different than what I remember. I had to look him up in Apex to get a refresher.
Really I think you should concentrate on content in this game. +0
Eido I challenge you to give 5 reads, town/townlean or scum/scumlean, that aren’t Gorf based strictly on vibes from this game and with no meta at all. Maybe a sentence of explanation per player. If you’re town you’re MUCH too focused on the micro, and less so on the macro. I’ll give you a couple of examples:
I agree with this. +1
#252 This is a much better post from Eido than what he has been doing. +1
Also I don't even know where to start responding to Bessie's onslaught, but most of her questions feel like repeats.
What you can do about it is you can answer them. And I haven’t asked you very many. Can you answer just the questions in
#102 and I withdraw any questions in #195. And please answer the questions in this post. +0
Also, meta reads are fine, don't discourage them (Gorf).
Not from a new player, with little meta info on the other players, that has to read games he didn’t play to get meta information. -1
Meta reads aren’t fine when you’re stifled because of them
Agree completely. +1
Nah, it's ok. It's only a pain when I have to respond to a bunch of small points via multiple quotes, as it's more work and the overall meaning can feel kind of diluted.
A more detailed summary of your thoughts (the ones you think are most important) at the end might help with readability and get your points across more clearly?
As I went in to a little already in this post, the daily catchup is a bunch of small points and I haven’t really been forming overall comprehensive analysis in my mind yet. But I think that this is a good suggestion, and I’ll work on maybe doing a separate summary of points. I’ve just been a bit overwhelmed this week. I also tried to trim the quotes a bit more in this post. +0
Eido -14-4 => -18
Fontisian -8+0 => -8
Gorf +3+2 => +5
LaserGuy +1+0 => +1
Maven89 +1+0 => +1
Sabrar +4+0 => +4
Somitomi 0+0 => 0
Swiss +2+0 => +2
Wam -2+0 => -2
