ddd has a Huuuuge advantage over ike to the point that it's not even funny! ikes' ko moves have mad lag on them so he has to use mindgames to hit with the lot of them, his main damage bulider is his A combo so ddds' forward tilt is key to spacing him. ddd can chain grab him off the stage after any mistake and add 20+ damage on him at the same time plus run off the stage to fair him to a good point so he can't recover. ike's fastest and safest way to move about the stage is to wiff a forward B, because if wiffed he has no lag and can do anything after it. his recovery is simple,if coming from below just stay by the edge and counter as see fit,if coming from the side run out in front of him and do and fair or somthing to your liking (ikes' forward air stops when it his something so if u do get hit he can't recover and you'll be back on the stage).
ddd can go in to this match no worrys! i play ikes all the time and have yet to see any thing in ikes move set to be worried about. i'll put some matches of me fighting ike on youtube when i get a chance.
lol i hate to talk **** but, im gonna assume those ikes were pretty bad.
I would hardly consider dedede to be an ike counter. I consider ike my secondary and i have a feeling if i could fight my dedede with my ike, my ike would win.
Ike is actually pretty hard to gimp, everyone is now actually, but ike is one of the harder ones. If the ike knows how to sweetspot his sword when it spins and time it perfectly you'll rarely be getting any cheapkills on him off the edge. That plus his invincibility frames.
Then you have his insane fuking reach. IDK if azen uses fairs, but i do and i think they ****. Long range, good knockback, damage and if spaced right he can jab right after it. Bairs are dangerous and of course his smashes are too, although hella slow.
Anyways what i would do is NEVER approach from above. Ike has too many moves that hit about 180 degrees around his as$. Def. space with ftilts and waddle dees, not sure if you can CG him, if you can abuse that to the fullest, and just be careful when approaching. I doubt you can be aggressive on a
good ike, he simply has too much range and too many attacks that make you say "WHY THE *** DID THAT HIT?". For the most part i think this match needs to be played with more mindgames then anything. Just punish him on dumb**** he does or on his laggy moves, which alot of them are. Patience is what your looking for. But really it just depends on how he plays, if he rushes you non stop obviously your gonna have to do something else, likewise if he he camps you out you gotta play differently as well.
Don't forget to gimp his sideB though, either throw something, attack him or just jump in front of him. This might be the only way to truly cheapkill ike, just get him off the stage but keep him relatively high at about stage level and do not let him go underneath cuz then he cant do his bull**** upb OR side b cuz he'll die..
