D-air Gimps

[Antonykun]

Mii Swordfighter has two forms of edge guarding using their down b 2 or using d-air. In this thread i will try to list all the possible characters you can and can't gimp with d-air.

NOTE: conditionally gimp mean that you can gimp this character it just requires certain conditions when all their jumps are gone

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CAN gimp:

CAN CONDITIONALLY gimp:

CANNOT gimp:

Notable conditions:

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Jr: must already be using up b

Ness: must get hit by PK thunder

Wario: Must have already used bike

Pacman: Must use trampoline when it is yellow

Olimar: must be holding multiple Pikmin

 

[san.]

Any character that just snaps to the ledge, you can dair at the ledge and it will easily hit them. With this, Swordsman can dair every character in the game. They get their double jump back, however, if you dair them during the ledge snap vulnerability. If it doesn't gimp them, it'll put them in a not so great position.

Dair also scales with your own rage and the opponent's %, it all depends.

 

[Antonykun]

Any character that just snaps to the ledge, you can dair at the ledge and it will easily hit them. With this, Swordsman can dair every character in the game. They get their double jump back, however, if you dair them during the ledge snap vulnerability. If it doesn't gimp them, it'll put them in a not so great position.

Dair also scales with your own rage and the opponent's %, it all depends.

I think I might have to move more people to conditionally gimp but i doubt D-air can gimp Kirby after snapping to the ledge.

 

[Unknownkid]

So when does Swordfighter's Dair Meteor Smash take effect? I noticed I never get a meteor smash from Dair.

 

[Antonykun]

So when does Swordfighter's Dair Meteor Smash take effect? I noticed I never get a meteor smash from Dair.

As far as I know its not so much a meteor smash as it is the move pulling the opponent down to make sure each hit lands.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

As far as I know its not so much a meteor smash as it is the move pulling the opponent down to make sure each hit lands.

You can end with a footstool so it does Meteor.

 

[RoboTek]

D-Air is not especially good at gimping, it is about average for down airs.

 

[Antonykun]

D-Air is not especially good at gimping, it is about average for down airs.

En contraire, a Dair is extremely good at gimping. Those multi hitting hitboxes that pull the opponent downwards gimp everyone with a weak vertical recovery. Even if it wasn't "that good" Swordfighter is starved for effective and difficult to punish kill moves.

 

[Ridel]

I did a little bit of research into the D-Air an figured out that it does in fact out last an air-dodge but just barely so the spacing needs to be pristine. IT's actually relatively easy to constantly gimp with the D-Air but it doesn't send characters far enough downward to get them to the blast zone so you have to do ledge-drop B-air again and again until they are to low to recover. Though doing this constantly could be picked up by the opponent and they could change their recovery direction or bait out your D-Air and go for the trade. So it's tedious but it can be used effectively.

 

[Unknownkid]

Have you tried footstooling, my friend?

 

[Ridel]

Have you tried footstooling, my friend?

The D-Air does have superior range and multiple hits though so it can drag people to their death.

 

[Unknownkid]

I still footstool to steal the deal and get the boost back up to the ledge.

 

[Ridel]

I still footstool to steal the deal and get the boost back up to the ledge.

Whatever works for you, ya just got be really precise with it.

 

[Unknownkid]

Agreed. It is not as easy as Kirby's D-Air.

 

[Ridel]

Agreed. It is not as easy as Kirby's D-Air.

Wow you just made me realize how bad the Swordfighters D-Air is compared to Kirby's. I mean think about it, Kirby's is hard to SDI out of, has little to no landing lag, and goes at a much better angle for gimping. The poor Swordfighter is literally just the worst.

 

[Antonykun]

Wow you just made me realize how bad the Swordfighters D-Air is compared to Kirby's. I mean think about it, Kirby's is hard to SDI out of, has little to no landing lag, and goes at a much better angle for gimping. The poor Swordfighter is literally just the worst.

Uh isn't it just a little unfair to compare Kirby's dair to Swordfighter?
I mean when it comes to gimping Kirby's D-air is amazing but surprisingly i think Swordfighter is better at getting people off the stage. Those disjoints plus the movement specs means a lot for actually getting people off the stage.

 

[Ridel]

I should have put a "JK" or a""/s" at the end there, I was referencing how some people wright the Swordfighter off by saying "He is a character with worse versions of other moves" which is completely false statement. Though I think Kirby's D-Air is only slightly better because it traps more effectively.

 

[t!MmY]

Agreed. It is not as easy as Kirby's D-Air.

I find it easier than Kirby's D-air considering the hitbox comes out quicker and it has a nice disjoint. Kirby's D-air actually is a 'dunk' though; Mii Swordfighter's D-air doesn't really have a vertical dunk, though the footstool follow-up is very similar to Kirby's anyway.

 

[Darklink401]

If you just do the Melee Falco, and double dair, you should be able to kill anyone, as they fall with you.