Critique Please

[MiniTroika]

JON T vs. Minitroika
(Snake vs Olimar)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO0tsl_rmtg

I realize I used my second jump at the end too early *facepalm*

 

[DtJ Hilt]

it's too shaky to tell what's going on...

>.>

if it was recorded using a tripod, it'd be different

 

[MiniTroika]

My friend has some shaky hands... >_<
I'm sorry. Please try to make out what's going on.

 

[asob4]

you did a good job, but jon's too smart ;D
i'm like 2-2 with him in total matches (MM and tourney)

you were getting predictable near the end, and he was able to avoid all of your killing moves with ease
too much dsmash, it's good but don't spam it
he knew it was coming near the end and just stayed in the air

 

[DanGR]

I couldn't make out what y'all were doing for the most part. Good job nearly beating him though.

Only thing I could see clearly was that dthrow->upb dealt very little damage and it doesn't give you any followup options. Dthrow-> upsmash works nicely against Snake. It puts him into the air and sets up a lot of baiting traps and such. Try different stuff.

And it was sad you couldn't get that last kill. :/ You probably should have used some very spaced upbs and maybe land the killing hit when he landed on a platform.

Good game though.

 

[asob4]

up b kills are my favorite
like 40% of my kills are up b

 

[DanGR]

up b kills are my favorite
like 40% of my kills are up b

99% of my kills are upsmash kills... so boring, but so easy to set up!

edit: on topic: you've got a solid Olimar from what I could tell. It'd be much easier to critique if you had a better camera.

 

[MiniTroika]

I'm going to upload some more videos later ( the camera is steady)

 

[MiniTroika]

Alrighty, here's a video of me playing somebody on the ladder of All is Brawl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t1icShljMU

Point out anything please.

 

[upwndbykaiibi]

Wow. MiniTroika you're good. I've been looking for some good players, so if u want we can brawl anytime u like.^^

 

[DtJ Hilt]

main thing i noticed was the lack of pivot grabs. You played extremely agressive, and not is that always a bad thing, but you have to know when to camp. That DK didnt seem too good though. Or maybe he just didnt know the matchup... or maybe it was just wifi

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

You need to grab more in general, your Olimar is very good though. Pay more attention to your line to make every move count, you also have use the whistle armor more to better increase your chances of survival, with these ideas two in mind you'll do just fine.

Lol, change your line and you'll be fine, I just rhymed :D

Also, you might wanna consider getting a Dazzle so that your vids won't be so shaky, with the Dazzle you can also make combo vids

 

[MiniTroika]

You need to grab more in general, your Olimar is very good though. Pay more attention to your line to make every move count, you also have use the whistle armor more to better increase your chances of survival, with these ideas two in mind you'll do just fine.

Lol, change your line and you'll be fine, I just rhymed :D

Also, you might wanna consider getting a Dazzle so that your vids won't be so shaky, with the Dazzle you can also make combo vids

Dazzle? Where do I get that? Is it software or hardware, because I don't know if I can afford it.. Yes, I've been trying to make myself more aware of the pikmin in my line.

I have a question, is the white pikmin the only one that spikes every time you use it? You have to sweetspot with yellow correct?

upwndbykaiibi - If you ever wanna play just pm me

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

Dazzle? Where do I get that? Is it software or hardware, because I don't know if I can afford it.. Yes, I've been trying to make myself more aware of the pikmin in my line.

I have a question, is the white pikmin the only one that spikes every time you use it? You have to sweetspot with yellow correct?

Dazzle is a type of hardware that's a video capture device, you can get it from Best Buy. For more info about it, talk to my sister LadyKirbess via VM/PM.

No, white pikmin aren't the ones that always spike, mind the fact none of the pikmin spike every time you use it.

You have to sweetspot with all the pikmin to get the full effectiveness of their attacks. For instance, the smashes will only sweetspot depending on how close your opponent is to you.

EDIT: If my information is incorrect, please correct me anyone...

 

[asob4]

i noticed you used grounded upB's..... don't use grounded upB's!!!
pay attention to your line
grab moar
pivot grab period
camp moar
yadda yadda yadda
use SH upB's to kill when they're far off the stage
it's very unexpected and is a quick killer with tons of range. don't have yellow in front when you do it >.>

 

[DerpDaBerp]

I have a question, is the white pikmin the only one that spikes every time you use it? You have to sweetspot with yellow correct?

sweetspotting applies to all the pikmin, as far as the yellow...... wouldn't it be easiest to spike w/ yellow cuz it's the largest pikmin hitbox?

but neway, at 0:47, a Fair would've killed it you weren't swinging with a white, so imo it's not so much "pay attention to your line" but rather "know where your whites are"

pretty sick combo at 1:04 but you should've used Uair after the first jump then follow up with another jump Uair (I'm pretty sure that would work..............). It was probably due to tap jump being on.

lol, walking right into that charging Fsmash... u could've jumped and gotten in an easy Dair

and it's a basic lesson for all oli's but aiming ur latches better will make pressuring more effective

(these are pertaining ur 2nd vid btw)

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

sweetspotting applies to all the pikmin, as far as the yellow...... wouldn't it be easier to spike w/ yellow because it has the largest hitbox of all of the pikmin?

Yes it would, but that alone won't determine much of anything. Everything depends on your timing and how close your opponent is to you, these two factors help determine how effective your moves are when they hit/connect.

but neway, at 0:47, a Fair would've killed it you weren't swinging with a white, so imo it's not so much "pay attention to your line" but rather "know where your whites are"

Both of those statements have the same meaning or rather...one leads to the other, paying attention to your line helps you know as well as determine where every pikmin are located in your line and when they will be next and/or used.

 

[Dyyne]

I think people need to realize that often when you hit with a white, that's a better option than running away to throw it, especially if they're at a high percent. If the white hits are done excessively and at any percent, that's when there's a problem. All oli critique videos usually involve someone saying "you hit with a white, watch your line". If they aren't out of hand with attacking with whites, that is horrible advice.

Anyway, play more defensively, especially against a character like dk. His size and speed make for easy camping. Also, many of dk's good moves (ftilt, dtilt, bair, etc) outrange oli's moves, which is just more reason to play defensive, since good grabs/pivot grabs will beat those.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

Both of those statements have the same meaning or rather...one leads to the other, paying attention to your line helps you know as well as determine where every pikmin are located in your line and when they will be next and/or used.

Well, what I'm implying I guess is that the latter is easier than the former (knowing where one is as opposed to knowing the whole order)

Anyway, play more defensively, especially against a character like dk. His size and speed make for easy camping.

Wouldn't his weight and (if a may rephrase), slowness make an offensive style with Dthrow strings and stuff more effective than camping?

 

[Dyyne]

A major reason behind camping is to bait people in order to punish them, most often done by grabbing. You're mistaking camping with running away and tossing the whole time. That's not what his camp game is about. It's about making them approach through the use of tosses in order to create openings that can be exploited. So yes, of course oli's combo game shines against dk, but you shouldn't be charging in to start the combo, you should make them charge in, which is dk's only option. Once they're in and they use some move, you punish with a grab or something and start comboing.

 

[MiniTroika]

A major reason behind camping is to bait people in order to punish them, most often done by grabbing. You're mistaking camping with running away and tossing the whole time. That's not what his camp game is about. It's about making them approach through the use of tosses in order to create openings that can be exploited. So yes, of course oli's combo game shines against dk, but you shouldn't be charging in to start the combo, you should make them charge in, which is dk's only option. Once they're in and they use some move, you punish with a grab or something and start comboing.

I usually play defensively. I guess that day I made the video, I was feeling aggressive which was a mistake against better players I guess.

I'm good against Snake `cause I play JonT every week (and beat him) but Bardull's Marth is giving me a headache. I can never follow up my Dthrows with fair because he DIs out of my range. I also can't ever hit him with an USmash after the Dthrow. Should I follow it up with:

1) A FSmash
2) Jump>latch (cause he expects the FAir and dodges)> Fair (upon landing)

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

Well, what I'm implying I guess is that the latter is easier than the former (knowing where one is as opposed to knowing the whole order)

Knowing where one specific type of pikmin is located is much easier, but knowing where all of them are is better and yields greater results(knowing them all helps you combo with throws more effectively or when to use certain moves i.e. yellow uair after red/yellow upthrow or yellow/purple upsmash after red/yellow/white dthrow and many others).

 

[Dyyne]

It's situational to say the least, imo, that you need to know where reds, yellows, and blues are. You need to know blues for bthrow at high percent, but until then they work just as well as red and yellow. Whites and purples do need to be kept track of. Your examples are...bad. Yellow uair? Red and blue work just as well. Red/yellow uthrow? Firstly, dthrow is almost always the better option, secondly, what does it matter if it's red or yellow as opposed to, say, blue? And any usmash is good after a dthrow of any color at low percents. At high percents, you can't follow up a dthrow with an usmash, so it doesn't matter what color comes next anyway.

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

Your examples are...bad. Yellow uair? Red and blue work just as well. Red/yellow uthrow? Firstly, dthrow is almost always the better option, secondly, what does it matter if it's red or yellow as opposed to, say, blue? And any usmash is good after a dthrow of any color at low percents. At high percents, you can't follow up a dthrow with an usmash, so it doesn't matter what color comes next anyway.

I was merely giving out examples of the many options one would choose from, no need to get so hostile.

Yellow uair is a good followup due to their large hit box, I never said that red and blue weren't bad choices(let alone any of the other pikmin).

The red/yellow uthrow was suggested by Hilt, I don't use it much unless my opponent is at high percentages(with purples of course).

Yes, I know how better dthrow is but once again I never said that blue wasn't a good choice. At low percents, all upsmashes are good after a dthrow EXCEPT for the whites(are you paying attention to what you're typing?), again I never said that no other pikmin could do so in my earlier post. At high percents, you would want to use any pikmin's upsmash but the whites(seriously, are you paying attention to what you're typing?).

 

[RichBrown]

**** JonT outcamped you like a mother****er in that match haha. It was hard to see what was going on, but Dthrow-Usmash>dthrow-upB. That's all I could really notice, sooo shaky.

 

[Dyyne]

I was merely giving out examples of the many options one would choose from, no need to get so hostile.

Yellow uair is a good followup due to their large hit box, I never said that red and blue weren't bad choices(let alone any of the other pikmin).

The red/yellow uthrow was suggested by Hilt, I don't use it much unless my opponent is at high percentages(with purples of course).

Yes, I know how better dthrow is but once again I never said that blue wasn't a good choice. At low percents, all upsmashes are good after a dthrow EXCEPT for the whites(are you paying attention to what you're typing?), again I never said that no other pikmin could do so in my earlier post. At high percents, you would want to use any pikmin's upsmash but the whites(seriously, are you paying attention to what you're typing?).

You're not comprehending what I'm typing at all. The point is that in your situations, there's no need to specify things like "yellow uair" to justify your idea of knowing your entire line. You do not need to pay a great deal of attention to whether a yellow or a red pikmin is coming next because they serve the same purpose. The whole reason I made that post is to agree with the pieman, knowing your entire line will not yield greater results than paying attention to where the purples and whites are.

Of course I'm paying attention to what I'm typing, it's you who aren't paying attention to the meaning of what I'm typing. There are two reasons why I didn't say "except whites". One is that it becomes repetitive to say it after every sentence as any knowledgeable oli player would realize the characteristics of white pikmin. The other is that there are situations where it is completely acceptable to attack with a white, as I clarified in a previous posts. If you dthrow a snake who is at a lowish percent, if he DIs in a way that you would follow up with an usmash, then that should be the option that you choose, even if a white is next. It isn't even bad if you hit with a white, it has less knockback, therefore it will be easier to follow the usmash up with something. There's no reason to just stop a combo string due to a white being next, that is just throwing away an opportunity. Of course if he DIs to where you would follow up with, say fair, it would be more beneficial to throw the white first rather than fair first.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to tell you, there's no hostility involved with any of these posts, but I'm not going to attempt to explain my posts again.

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

You do not need to pay a great deal of attention to whether a yellow or a red pikmin is coming next because they serve the same purpose. The whole reason I made that post is to agree with the pieman, knowing your entire line will not yield greater results than paying attention to where the purples and whites are.

Now that's where you're wrong my friend, every pikmin can be used for the same thing but its more preferred to use them a certain more effective way. Knowing your line is one of the most important things to have in mind as Olimar, just paying attention to the purples and whites isn't going to get you far.

The other is that there are situations where it is completely acceptable to attack with a white, as I clarified in a previous posts. If you dthrow a snake who is at a lowish percent, if he DIs in a way that you would follow up with an usmash, then that should be the option that you choose, even if a white is next. It isn't even bad if you hit with a white, it has less knockback, therefore it will be easier to follow the usmash up with something. There's no reason to just stop a combo string due to a white being next, that is just throwing away an opportunity. Of course if he DIs to where you would follow up with, say fair, it would be more beneficial to throw the white first rather than fair first.

I never said that it was bad to upsmash(or generally anything) with a white pikmin(nor did I say that you had to stop a combo string because of a white being next, there is another option...), its just not preferred as they should mainly be used for throws/grabs/pivot grabs. I'll accept the last part of the last sentence that you typed though, its more logical than most of the things you've stated about white pikmin :O

 

[Dyyne]

Rofl I'm done, you're barely comprehending anything I'm typing and lack the logic you claim I'm not using.

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

Rofl I'm done, you're barely comprehending anything I'm typing and lack the logic you claim I'm not using.

O RLY?

Meh, its no real point of arguing because we both have different play styles and morals, so in a way we're both right/wrong lol

EDIT: I comprehend the things you're saying, but if you want me to understand things from your point of view you should try to add a few extra notes to your posts. With that maybe I could understand you better, wouldn't you agree?