Could Little Mac be top tier in SSBU?

[Tedlett]

We can see how strong mac is in ssb4 on stage, yet he sucks because of his garbage recovery. It is shown in the individual trailers on the smash website (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBM09wj8xwE) that mac can use his up b out of his jolt haymaker. With this plus directional air dodging, his recovery is definitely going to be a lot better, and should maybe boost him up the tiers. Thoughts?

 

[Gallerian]

I loves the buffs given to Mac, especially since I maimed him in WiiU. However, I highly doubt these buffs will make him a top tier character. It'll definitely boost him up some, but overall, not top tier.

As a whole though, I think it's too early to be talking about tier placements. Though that's just me.

 

[Zodiacx10]

i just hope he's mid tier

 

[Gimpyfish62]

well this is some sensationalism lol

 

[Ulk]

As much as I love Little Mac, I think that would be just terrifying.

Of course we don't know all the details yet, but if we only go by what we know and only consider that his recovery has potentially improved, I don't think that would be enough to make up for his basically inexistent air game. If they also worked on moderately improving his air game though, then that would be pretty frightening.

 

[Banjodorf]

He still has a terrible matchup against characters like ZSS and Shiek and Bayo. I don't imagine him doing a whole lot better against Bayo even if she got nerfed, given she dominates at the thing he's utterly terrible at.

 

[ZeonStar]

Banjodorf, I was able to beat several really good Bayos at tournaments, and even then I was only gimped off the side because of my ****ty recovery or stupid low percent ladder combos. I also think the matchup against Sheik is fairly even in Smash 4, given the Mac knows what he's doing. It could actually be slightly in Sheiks favor but not by too much. Check out my Little Mac buff thread I just posted for some new information.

 

[Lézard_Tekno]

We can see how strong mac is in ssb4 on stage, yet he sucks because of his garbage recovery. It is shown in the individual trailers on the smash website (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBM09wj8xwE) that mac can use his up b out of his jolt haymaker. With this plus directional air dodging, his recovery is definitely going to be a lot better, and should maybe boost him up the tiers. Thoughts?

else he can use his side-b before his up and it would be good if up-b would be more maniable like charizard

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

LOL! Little Mac has many issues beyond his recovery holding him back a decent tier placement.

But I will still play him.

 

[Solreth]

How in the world do people still think mac has ever had a bad match-up with sheik? o. o

Mac's changes here look exciting by the way, I've had multiple top end sources vouch for a potential high-tier placement. I personally would be satisfied with mid.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

How in the world do people still think mac has ever had a bad match-up with sheik? o. o

Mac's changes here look exciting by the way, I've had multiple top end sources vouch for a potential high-tier placement. I personally would be satisfied with mid.

What of his air game? I WANNA BELIEVE.

 

[Zodiacx10]

Mac's changes here look exciting by the way, I've had multiple top end sources vouch for a potential high-tier placement. I personally would be satisfied with mid.

i would be perfectly happy with mid too tbh

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Top tier could be pushing it for a fighter whose air game is very poor. I'm no competitive expert, but Little Mac would be fortunate if he managed to make it to the mid-tier level.

 

[Zodiacx10]

Top tier could be pushing it for a fighter whose air game is very poor. I'm no competitive expert, but Little Mac would be fortunate if he managed to make it to the mid-tier level.

i agree even if mac is better in smash ultimate with his recovery and ground movement and whatnot...what is stopping people from just platform camping him as usual though? i think that will hold him back unfortunately.

 

[Iridium]

How in the world do people still think mac has ever had a bad match-up with sheik? o. o

Mac's changes here look exciting by the way, I've had multiple top end sources vouch for a potential high-tier placement. I personally would be satisfied with mid.

Hi Sol! Are you going to be more active in SSBU? I don't want to hate this time, but I might hate / more, and (& ).

 

[MrGameguycolor]

Someone made a video of the current E3 changes:

I could see him being upper-mid, maybe even high tier.

 

[MERPIS]

Great.
They removed the one weakness he had aside from his aerials, and he actually has a somewhat competent recovery now.
welp time to main mac

 

[vathekid]

Regerdless of small disputes, As anb old revised statement of melee for ultimate, A skilled Mac can beat any Bayo. As for sure Sol showing that greatness. Even if mac currently loses his perfect pivot, as do the whole roster, the extreme amount of puffs help his favor up! Straight lunge can be reveresed or sheild cancelled for mind games and mixups, as well as heavy arrmor to recover if up high. Jolthaymaker may have lost grounded range, but having it be usable much more as a landing mixup for his recovery helps greatly for sure! Even the great statements of mac's jumps and rising uppercut given more height just gives mac alot more to help him, especially for aerial mixups given less landinglag overall as well as the new parry tech for a much more solid punish. Overall, just as this applies to really any character, Mac does have a shot at top tier placement, but it all tends on who pushes mac into the ring to show other characters who the boxing champ is! So hopes to us Mac mains to show what we got!

 

[Gimpyfish62]

mac has absolutely no shot at TOP tier placement, he might be better, but without a throw combo (or even reliable setup) or an even sort of reasonably threatening air attack, he's going to still have serious shortcomings against a lot of the cast.

I'm excited about this character also, can't wait to try him out :O

 

[MERPIS]

mac has absolutely no shot at TOP tier placement, he might be better, but without a throw combo (or even reliable setup) or an even sort of reasonably threatening air attack, he's going to still have serious shortcomings against a lot of the cast.

I'm excited about this character also, can't wait to try him out :O

Cloud

 

[TurboLink]

LOL! Little Mac has many issues beyond his recovery holding him back a decent tier placement.

But I will still play him.

Do you mean his aerials?

 

[Gimpyfish62]

Cloud

Uh what?

 

[MERPIS]

Uh what?

terrible grab game

 

[Gimpyfish62]

Cloud also has an incredible most other things game including air pressure strong ground game great hitconfirms pressure and kill options outside of the limit mechanic
That's a ridiculous comparison for a character like little mac lol

https://youtu.be/9eRtJLCwU4U

Anyway here's a video for everyone to get them too excited about Mac's potential

 

[MERPIS]

Cloud also has an incredible most other things game including air pressure strong ground game great hitconfirms pressure and kill options outside of the limit mechanic
That's a ridiculous comparison for a character like little mac lol

https://youtu.be/9eRtJLCwU4U

Anyway here's a video for everyone to get them too excited about Mac's potential

apparently you have no clue how good little mac could be now

 

[OhMyBanana54]

mac has absolutely no shot at TOP tier placement, he might be better, but without a throw combo (or even reliable setup) or an even sort of reasonably threatening air attack, he's going to still have serious shortcomings against a lot of the cast.

I'm excited about this character also, can't wait to try him out :O

I actually disagree with you about grab combos being integral. With virtually no characters having guaranteed throw follow-ups and air dodges being severely nerfed, mix ups and frame traps are what most of the roster will need to have a strong offensive game, and Mac is probably just fine there.

I also think no shot is hyperbole and that if the current top tiers see some nerfs and Mac dominates the neutral, we can see a top tier mac.

 

[circuspig]

I'm very excited to play him in this version, I think he'll be pretty scary

 

[Lézard_Tekno]

it would be nice if his K.O. Punch acnnot be lose it would buff him

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

Little Mac biggest nerf by far is the new air-dodging mechanics.

 

[meleebrawler]

Little Mac biggest nerf by far is the new air-dodging mechanics.

You know he can cancel and turn around Straight Lunge to armour through stuff on landing now, right?

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

You know he can cancel and turn around Straight Lunge to armour through stuff on landing now, right?

I'm talking about off-stage

 

[MrGameguycolor]

Little Mac biggest nerf by far is the new air-dodging mechanics.

I disagree, it's got it's strong points due to the return of directional air-dodging and weak points thanks to the increased air-dodge lag.

So more of a neutral change in my opinion.

 

[shinhed-echi]

So I was thinking. Could Straight Lunge be more applicable for landing this time around?
I know you can shieldcancel it. But can you air-dodge cancel it?

 

[Gimpyfish62]

The armor on lunge sucked and got beat out by stuff constantly

But another option is another option

 

[Will]

I'm talking about off-stage

If you got a wall next to you you can always air-dodge in that direction, wall jump, and then recover.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

I disagree, it's got it's strong points due to the return of directional air-dodging and weak points thanks to the increased air-dodge lag.

So more of a neutral change in my opinion.

You do know that if you Directional Air-dodge you cannot act out of it for like 2 seconds. This is only useful for mac when he's literally close to the ledge. Using It anywhere else is going to cause Little Mac to SD.

 

[Octavium]

Little Mac dash dancing and his new impressive recovery makes him look like a monster.
https://youtu.be/9eRtJLCwU4U

 

[MrGameguycolor]

You do know that if you Directional Air-dodge you cannot act out of it for like 2 seconds. This is only useful for mac when he's literally close to the ledge. Using It anywhere else is going to cause Little Mac to SD.

Yes I know.
I just don't think it's his biggest nerf.

 

[R.Y.N.O.]

I think on paper mac looks low end of mid teir, his strengths are all exemplified but his weaknesses are largely the same, now that he might not automatically die when put offstage, hes jumped up from the position “not having to edgeguard” to “easiest character in the game to edgeguard” Regardless he looks like one of the sickest characters to play and watch period

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

He will still be fun at least. I had tons of fun and decent success with him during the Smash 4 era, and his new tools makes me excited to use him again. Neutral B is no longer going to be completely useless, as you can now cover the opponent's landing options more reliably on an Omega stage.