Could Brawl become as big as Halo? OMG

[OATH]

smash will never be as big as halo because some people refer to it as a kitty game, and halo has to big of a fan base D:

 

[Rang Flash]

The day after Halo 3 came out, everyone especially guys were extremely tired in class. It was obvious why. Even some of the teachers knew why. "Oh it was that xbox game huh?"

 

[Flatfeet]

I don't care if Halo 3 outsells Brawl or vice versa, or that people know Halo better than Smash Bros. The people who don't/won't know Smash Bros will just have to miss out on the joy that it gives.

 

[Ryudragon29]

From Wikipedia:

" Halo 3 also holds the record for the biggest opening day in entertainment history, making $170 million dollars in its first 24 hours.[7]"

If Halo 3 just broke the record, it's HIGHLY unlikely that Brawl will beat Halo 3. Don't get me wrong: I would love NOTHING more than for Brawl to own Halo 3, but it isn't going to happen. But what does that change? I'm still in love with the Smash series. I consider my skill to be unique because there are 40 quadrillion people that love Halo.

Here's to SSBB! It's gonna be good.

IT's from Wiki... Anyone can write this and even if it's true, Halo 3 will simply be more popular at launch because of all the hype Bungie put into it. Brawl will probably catch Halo in the run.

 

[PKFire199]

IT's from Wiki... Anyone can write this and even if it's true, Halo 3 will simply be more popular at launch because of all the hype Bungie put into it. Brawl will probably catch Halo in the run.

"Even if it's true" ... Sure, it's a wiki, but it's also WIKIPEDIA, and they maintain a pretty high standard of accuracy for information that is clearly available (sales data, e.g.). And I don't think Brawl will catch up. I just think fanboyism is disillusioning people here.

Oh, and by the way, I'm a Nintendo fanboy myself... But I'm also realistic.

 

[Shin Oni]

Excellent question, but it still looks like a tie in some cases. What may help Brawl is the addition of suprisingly unpredictable characters

 

[Doggalina]

IT's from Wiki... Anyone can write this

See that lock in the top right corner of the Halo 3 article? Hover over it; it says "This page has been semi-protected from editing."

 

[Sensai]

How many topics like this are created daily? I swear, everytime I get on the boards someone or another is going on and on about Brawl in comparison to Halo.

No, it won't be as big. For a few reasons:

1) It doesn't have the frat boy let's get wasted demographic down.
2) It doesn't have an online mode worth a **** (c'mon, you know it's true. You can barely communicate with friends, and by barely I mean 'Hi, how are you?' and hope to god he's got the response 'Good, you?').
3) There's not nearly as much hype around Brawl, nor will there be. Nintendo just doesn't hype the games as much as Microsoft does. EVERYONE knows what Halo 3 is and EVERYONE knew when it was coming out. How many people know when Brawl is coming?

 

[Pyroloserkid]

To me, this is how it is:
Brawl Hype < Halo Hype
Brawl > Halo.

 

[PKFire199]

To me, this is how it is:
Brawl Hype < Halo Hype
Brawl > Halo.

Well said. That should be the end of this discussion. :D

 

[Mari0sPooPoo]

Well said. That should be the end of this discussion. :D

It should... But it won't...

 

[Pyroloserkid]

Well said. That should be the end of this discussion. :D

Has anyone ever told you "You own" ? =D

 

[PKFire199]

Has anyone ever told you "You own" ? =D

Ha ha. No, but I frequently say, "I owned you" while playing Smash!

 

[Eternalfire]

In a word: No. Halo 3 is, without a doubt, the biggest game on the face of the earth. Seriously, I've sold copy after copy of the game at my store. Another sad part is that when I try to hype up SSBB, people don't even know about SSB or SSBM. This game needs the hardcore gamers support to prevent the Wii from becoming a mini-game video game system.

The online features on Brawl are not as robust as they should be. Halo blows it out of the water with all the stuff you can do and how easy you can do it.

And I agree that Nintendo isn't very good at marketing for the hardcore crowd. How about a playable demo already, Big N?

 

[Puffs]

I agree with pretty much all you said except this point.

Do the Mario.

 

[VanillaMummy]

No, it won't be, as said dozens of times here.

I still don't get the hype behind the Halo franchise. Halo 2 was worse then Halo 1 IMO and Halo 3 looks to be the same as 2 except with better graphics and a few more tweaks.

BOO ON THAT

 

[battousai555]

Ah...no. Brawl is a more refined game than Halo, and doesn't appeal to as many people.

Think of it like this: Halo=Beer and Brawl=Wine

This post says it all. I present you with 1.5 internets. Good day to you, sir.

 

[BlublacMH]

More like Halo=Beer and Brawl=Strong mixed drink

(biased post with generalizations) Most of the douchebags that play halo, think they have to give up some kind of "manhood" to play a game like smash.

"I don't like cartoony games"/"Wii is for little kids" is what i hear all too often.

Have you ever been to a Halo2 tournament? It's like all these gangsta thugs thinkin' they're tough because they play a game with guns. They also bring along their skank-ass hos who's faces you can't even make out through 20 lbs of makeup.

I remember at EGL Chicago tourney, they had both tourneys in the same hall, and these guys were mocking our game, lol. I've used to play Halo a lot, and the skill difference between games is laughable. I told them if they wanna play a real FPS stop playing on a console. I think they grunted and pounded thier clubs on the ground a lot.

Unfortunately the majority of the population is consisted of these players and therefore, i see no possibility of Smash ever being as big as Halo.

[EDIT] I don't see the relevance of the Wii Vs XBox360 sales records to smash or halo. The Wii franchise is targeted to a larger and more general audience. Microsoft doesn't care about "everyone playing Xbox"

I agree with everything this guy said. The many, many wannabe mature guys will play Halo because they think its cool, but the true gamers not swayed by every single little fad game will all know what is the better game.

 

[Red Exodus]

Blu, that's kind of ironic since Wii is one giant fad [motion sensing]. The fact that so many different people like Halo doesn't take away from the fact that it's a good game [it has it's flaws though].

 

[Igneous42]

It's very unlikely... Halo 3 already has a head start so it can amass an even bigger number of fans by the time Brawl comes out, and you have to consider that shooters are now the most popular genre of video games, with a lot of them getting huge amounts of hype and advertising... especially if you're Microsoft!
Brawl's fighting genre doesn't really appeal to the super-casual gamer like a shooter does, and I doubt it will be advertised as heavily either.

So yeah... very unlikely!

pretty much hit the nail on the head. The advantage a good FPS has is that it appeals a lot of a hardcore and casual gamer. Halo is pretty much to FPS what Zelda is to adventure.

And Halo has it's hype behind it. Don't get me wrong I have halo 3 (got it opening night weee) but it's not selling that good because it's a great amazing game. Sure it is a great game but so is smash. It's sales are there because Microsoft did something right that Nintendo has been doing meh at and getting worse. Advertising/Hype Microsoft/Bungie did an amazing job of hyping Halo 3 and it paid off. Nintendo doesn't hype things very well. They never go beyond basic advertising like commercials and magazine ads. Halo 3 had a pop made after it.

Brawl does have an advantage over other fighting games though, it appeals to both casual and hardcore gamers. If Nintendo advertised and hyped brawl as much as Microsoft did Halo, i honestly think it could sell amazing.

 

[Arteen]

I still don't get the hype behind the Halo franchise. Halo 2 was worse then Halo 1 IMO and Halo 3 looks to be the same as 2 except with better graphics and a few more tweaks.

Yeah, Halo 2 was pretty bad compared to Halo 1. I could write a long essay on everything Bungie did wrong in Halo 2, and I've certainly been tempted (don't get me started or I'll never stop). Still, Halo 2 was a good game, and Halo 3 from what I can tell (haven't had a chance to play it yet ), Bungie is trying to take everything that made Halo 1 so fun and put it back in Halo 3, along with adding a bunch of new content that doesn't wreck the gameplay. They've acknowledged that they did a bad job in some areas of Halo 2, but this time they made sure to have a much better development cycle, so it will be much better. Hopefully.

 

[Steeler]

The problem is that Brawl appeals more to the "hardcore" crowd than the crowd they are really targeting with the Wii. Sure, 360/Wii sales are very very close at the moment, but I'd bet that most EVERY 360 owner is interested in Halo 3. I'm not sure I could say the same for the Wii and Brawl.

Regardless, Brawl will be a tremendous game and will most likely be the Wii's best selling game.

The optimist in me says that both games will sell similarly well...Brawl will be a huge hit during the holiday season though. Not to mention that Wiis are STILL in short supply in a lot of places. So there are those new potential Brawl customers.

It's really difficult to say for sure, but Halo 3 will most likely sell more.

 

[DraginHikari]

Comparing Apples to Oranges topic eh?

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

which is something Microsoft fanboys cant seem to understand...

Which is something that Nintendo fanboys seem to establish as a greater justice for a games sales.

To me, this is how it is:
Brawl Hype < Halo Hype
Brawl > Halo.

Halo is more than hype.

And Halo 3 has a great battle system. I can actually vouche for Brawl being better than Halo 3, it rocks.

 

[xxLinkGodxx]

It doesn't need to be as big. If the game is better that is all that matters.

 

[Wiseguy]

Halo is going to be the best selling console game this year, but Brawl is going to be much bigger in the long run. Why?

1) Brawl has the benefit of being released on a console that is popular in all the key markets: North America, Japan and Europe. Halo does not sell in Japan because only a few 360s were sold there.

2) Brawl has a greater potential than Halo to appeal to both hardcore gamers AND the casual gamers. Unlike most fighting games, you don't have to have a ton of gaming experience to enjoy Smash. The controls are incredibly simple to understand - now even more so since you can use the Wii controller. It's not much of a leap from prurchasing Mario Party 8 to buying a copy of Brawl.

3) Brawl is going to have longer legs than Halo 3. I feel confident in that staement becuase this year alone Halo is facing competition from excellent 360 shooters like Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2. Halo will still sell like crazy, but it won't be the best multiplayer game on 360 for the next 6 years. Wheras On the Wii, Brawl is going to be THE multiplyer game for the console's lifecycle.

So there you have it. Halo wins the battle (this holiday season) but Brawl wins the war. Keep in mind: Melee outsold Halo 1 and nearly surpassed Halo 2 when the Xbox was beating the Gamecube. Now, the Wii is leading the 360.

 

[volbound1700]

I live in Southeastern United States and went to Walmart to get groceries and there where still plenty of Halo3 games on their shelves. Apparently it is not doing as well as you think (at least where I am at).

 

[volbound1700]

I hate to say it but probably no. >_> You see in this world of pop culture and fads, people tend to see FPS as the better games. Why? Simply because it has what they think is cool. These are namely violence, guns, blood and well shooting. Not only that they think FPS are more mature and naturally more suited for their age group. They look at the SSB series as kiddy for the use of Nintendo characters and the fact that the characters are slashed to bits and bleed. Not only that, they see Pikachu and think "LMAO THIS GAME IS SO GHEY AND KIDDY." This is a generalization but all the people that I know who tend to follow the crowd are bigger fans of Halo than SSB. Either that or they think Halo is statistically funner than SSB.

Agreed on the Pokemon characters. When I play with friends we mostly make fun of the Pokemon characters and consider them childish. However, I think they add humor to brawl.

 

[mkmelee]

Halo 3 is a beast. Not a flawless beast, but it is a monstrous one.

While it doesn't really matter whether or not Brawl does defeat Halo 3 in sales (except to the warring fanboys), Brawl will have a difficult time keeping up.

Even when you do consider the long term benefits of the Wii nearly dominating all markets, that doesn't say everything about the future.

I believe this brings into question whether or not Wii can hold up its lead.

You can deny it over and over again, but it's true: the Wii is built upon a huge fad. Casual gamers are fascinated by the motion features and are willing to go and buy a console for it.

That's not to say that the Wii has no good games or potential. However, the release of quality titles has been too infrequent, and honestly, few third parties have contributed to this short list of games.

IMO, the entire future of the Wii depends on 3rd parties. Gamecube didn't have much of it, Ps2 and Xbox did. 360 has already proven itself in this area, but the Wii still lags behind.

Any intelligent gamer can tell you that the 360 has a foundation which is much sturdier than the Wii at this point in time. Will the Wii catch up?

Hopefully.

 

[volbound1700]

Halo 3 is a beast. Not a flawless beast, but it is a monstrous one.

While it doesn't really matter whether or not Brawl does defeat Halo 3 in sales (except to the warring fanboys), Brawl will have a difficult time keeping up.

Even when you do consider the long term benefits of the Wii nearly dominating all markets, that doesn't say everything about the future.

I believe this brings into question whether or not Wii can hold up its lead.

You can deny it over and over again, but it's true: the Wii is built upon a huge fad. Casual gamers are fascinated by the motion features and are willing to go and buy a console for it.

That's not to say that the Wii has no good games or potential. However, the release of quality titles has been too infrequent, and honestly, few third parties have contributed to this short list of games.

IMO, the entire future of the Wii depends on 3rd parties. Gamecube didn't have much of it, Ps2 and Xbox did. 360 has already proven itself in this area, but the Wii still lags behind.

Any intelligent gamer can tell you that the 360 has a foundation which is much sturdier than the Wii at this point in time. Will the Wii catch up?

Hopefully.

Yeah, but do you not think that Super Mario Galaxy (biggest mario game since Mario 64), Brawl, and Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games might bring some new people. Getting Madden with the Wii controllers is going to be huge a well.

 

[Kentalish]

Online sucks. So no.

U havent even played the fing game

so u suck i think brawl will be big for a while... just halo is different. halo is a fps lots of people like that.

and Smash bros has a audiance view like your watching the fight from a distance gbut u are still playing.

So if everyone on this forum preordered Smash maybe they would put it on tv like they did halo

 

[Arteen]

Does it really matter if Brawl isn't as big as Halo?

I live in Southeastern United States and went to Walmart to get groceries and there where still plenty of Halo3 games on their shelves. Apparently it is not doing as well as you think (at least where I am at).

That logic doesn't really work. I'm certain that big stores like Walmart order a lot of copies. If they ordered less copies, Halo 3 would be sold out, but if they ordered more copies it would seem like no one is buying it at all.

Regardless, it was the biggest entertainment launch in US history and Australian history, so it's certainly doing well.

 

[Shepp]

Ah...no. Brawl is a more refined game than Halo, and doesn't appeal to as many people.

Think of it like this: Halo=Beer and Brawl=Wine

i like that analogy

 

[Spellman]

I know a lot of people who bought 360's who have lost interest in buying games in general, 3 of which have pawned off or sold their Xbox's at EB Games. While that does still put Xbox's back in circulation, it's just a sign that not everyone who owns or owned an Xbox will have bought Halo 3.

I'm pretty sure mostly everyone who pre-ordered a Wii or got it on launch day was a hardcore gamer (edit: or Nintendo "fanboy". ), that is the nature of a hardcore gamer to want it first.

We don't even KNOW who's buying Wii's for what purpose. All we have is a bunch of statistics recited from Reggie's speeches at E3. We just assume that because most of the games thus far have targeted "casual gamers" that everyone bought it for that reason. Just because someone says it, no matter how credible the source may be, doesn't make it true. Personally I bought a Wii because I was kinda getting bored of playing games the same way as I have been for the last 16 years, and I wanted a new experience, and thus far, I've been mighty impressed. Oh and I wanted to get my hands on some of the old games that I'd lost over the years, or missed out on at the time. I definitely don't think any kind of majority of people who bought the Wii are Touch Generation people.

It seems like no matter how successful the Wii is, there's always people trying to cut it down, saying that they just weaseled their way to the top or that "they're not even on the same level as the other two consoles". I don't think the Wii can be passed off as a "fad" the same way as a hairstyle or a pair of jeans. Wii's are a cheap source of endless entertainment. I mean look at iPod's, they're a simple device that millions continue to buy even though it seems to be nothing more than an overpriced MP3 player or an undersized MPEG player. If people will overlook the design or concept flaws of the iPod (for example, short battery life), then people will overlook any design flaws the Wii has, and continue to buy it.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[raphtmarqui]

Could Brawl be as big as Halo.

No, i doubt it.

 

[BentoBox]

U havent even played the fing game

so u suck i think brawl will be big for a while... just halo is different. halo is a fps lots of people like that.

and Smash bros has a audiance view like your watching the fight from a distance gbut u are still playing.

So if everyone on this forum preordered Smash maybe they would put it on tv like they did halo

I don't need to play the game to know that it won't be as big as Halo. And we all know that Nintendo will keep SSBB's online setup as simple as possible, and so far I have yet to get proved wrong. I said the online sucked, if you disagree, I don't give a ****. SSBM's fanbase isn't nearly as big as Halo's. You're delusional.

Halo is going to be the best selling console game this year, but Brawl is going to be much bigger in the long run. Why?

1) Brawl has the benefit of being released on a console that is popular in all the key markets: North America, Japan and Europe. Halo does not sell in Japan because only a few 360s were sold there.

2) Brawl has a greater potential than Halo to appeal to both hardcore gamers AND the casual gamers. Unlike most fighting games, you don't have to have a ton of gaming experience to enjoy Smash. The controls are incredibly simple to understand - now even more so since you can use the Wii controller. It's not much of a leap from prurchasing Mario Party 8 to buying a copy of Brawl.

3) Brawl is going to have longer legs than Halo 3. I feel confident in that staement becuase this year alone Halo is facing competition from excellent 360 shooters like Call of Duty 4 and Team Fortress 2. Halo will still sell like crazy, but it won't be the best multiplayer game on 360 for the next 6 years. Wheras On the Wii, Brawl is going to be THE multiplyer game for the console's lifecycle.

So there you have it. Halo wins the battle (this holiday season) but Brawl wins the war. Keep in mind: Melee outsold Halo 1 and nearly surpassed Halo 2 when the Xbox was beating the Gamecube. Now, the Wii is leading the 360.

1) The xbox sells better in america, the wii sells better in japan. Microsoft targets the same kind of people with their console (generalization) while a big chunk of the ppl who just recently hoped on the Wii-owner bandwagon might have done so because they found WiiSports, warioware and mini-game based games of the sort to be very appealing, refreshing and fun. To actually say if SSBB could become as big as Halo, you'd first have to approximate the fraction of these wii-owners who will actually find much interest in SSBB since that is not the kind of game that actually got them tangled up in Nintendo's net in the first place. 75% of the 360 owners might buy halo3 (throwing random numbers here), I'd say around 55% for SSBB.

2) Halo controls are easy to grasp o,o. And yeah, its not a big leap from mario party to SSBB, but that's not the point. Will they find much interest in it, will they seek for more knowledge about the game, will they find us, will our community be able to grow to halo's proportions? Online play is one of the various factors that got the Halo community together. We had to work around that, but is that really how things should be?

3) So the 360 sets a new standard with H3, and yet, it still faces great competition. And that says alot about the Wii as a whole, the quality of games you can expect from it, their replay value and the lack of great franchises/3rd party support (yes, a new Mario is coming out, now who didn't see that coming? >_>). The hardcore gamer will ask himself what the console has to offer before blindly wasting his money. As I've said many times, the Wii really doesn't have much to offer. And remember that Nintendo still has a bad image to get rid of.

 

[2007]

I easily think that on a worldwide scale, Brawl will smash Halo.
on a US scale (which pretty much is half the world) Halo will most likely crush Brawl.

 

[0rion]

I easily think that on a worldwide scale, Brawl will smash Halo.
on a US scale (which pretty much is half the world) Halo will most likely crush Brawl.

And why do u think this cause da way I see it right now.....

Halo 3 came out this week and has like, what, 15,000 users online right now. And they have headsets, online competitive play, u know who you're playing for goodness sakes!

And Brawl.....heh! Has yet to even come out. And it's online stuff is gonna be as simple as possible, until da peoples at Nintendo realize that Brawl is make it or break it for Wii.

 

[Sage07]

From my point of view, that is the only reason for getting a Wii. Is Brawl, I have seen very little exceptional games released for the Wii.

 

[0rion]

From my point of view, that is the only reason for getting a Wii. Is Brawl, I have seen very little exceptional games released for the Wii.

Yup!! Same goes with me. If Brawl didn't exist, then there would really be no reason to get one. I mean, games like Mario Kart r.....ok, but they lack that "emph" that Brawl is gonna have.