Correcting old habits

[DerfMidWest]

Ok so its been brought to my attention that my wavedashes are choppy.
I've spent a good while trying to fix this problem, but have made no progress.

Wavedashes were litterally the first thing I learned to do. I couldn't even shorthop by the time I was wavedashing consistently.
That was almost three years ago.
Its been muscle memory for a long time.
I can't even do them not choppy when I'm conciously trying to do so.

How in the world do I go about fixing this?
My movement looks super duper ****ty right now.

 

[-ACE-]

Really just practice. Who is your main?

 

[DerfMidWest]

Right now its the ICs. Its not so much a problem with them.
It really comes out with my fox and pichu, who I still use a LOT.

Practicing isn't making much progress...
Like... I put in 4-8 hours a day..

 

[-ACE-]

I mean practicing specifically wd'ing... if you don't already do that.

Fox and IC wavedash timing are sooooo similar... very fast (I'm sure fox's is like a frame faster). Not familiar with pichu lol.

I wavedash with X and R and honestly, although it's obviously not true, I feel like I'm basically hitting them at the same time when I wd with fox/falcon/IC's.

You get occasional fluid wavedashes right? As long as you do I'd say just keep working on your muscle memory... if almost all of them are choppy, you've developed a bad habit and I'd probably recommend taking a break or practicing with a character with different wd timing.

 

[DerfMidWest]

Its definitely a bad habit lol.
Its not like i'm missing the WD, its just not perfect.

 

[-ACE-]

well it's all about hitting R/L sooner then, as long as you're getting your desired wavedash length consistently (practicing max length wd's is the hardest and most beneficial imo).

 

[DerfMidWest]

I mean I know why I have the problem, fixing it is just the hard part.
WDing is just like breathing...
But I got like Asthma or something...

 

[oukd]

I'll assume you have trouble with pichu/fox because they have fast jumps and you can't time them fast enough.

If your muscle memory is ingrained to the point where you can't even get yourself to press the r/l a frame or two earlier...try practicing wd'ing with ganon/bowser for a while to break your muscle memory a little and go back to your trouble characters.

Or, try working backwards...start off by doing the wd motion so that the time between you press jump and the time you press r/l is too fast for the wd to come out...and slowly distance the two inputs until you get it.

 

[-ACE-]

I'll assume you have trouble with pichu/fox because they have fast jumps and you can't time them fast enough.

If your muscle memory is ingrained to the point where you can't even get yourself to press the r/l a frame or two earlier...try practicing wd'ing with ganon/bowser for a while to break your muscle memory a little and go back to your trouble characters.

Or, try working backwards...start off by doing the wd motion so that the time between you press jump and the time you press r/l is too fast for the wd to come out...and slowly distance the two inputs until you get it.

^^ good advice. You seem to be stuck and this is potentially a quicker way of getting rid of the habit than just taking a break.

 

[Zodiac]

I would suggest re-learning wavedashing by the method demonstrated in Waks "advanced how to play" videos, whenever I feel my wavedashes slipping I practice that method for a little while and it helps a great deal.

 

[Bones0]

Fox, Pichu, and ICs all have 3-frame jumps. Press L/R on frame 4. There are no tips or anything necessary. Just practice doing it faster until you can.

 

[It's me Q]

How do you define a 'choppy' wavedash? I learned shffling first and still trying to integrate wavedashing/landing so want to nip anything in the bud now before it's hardwired.

 

[DerfMidWest]

By choppy I just mean they aren't perfect.
Like you can see it... Its not smooth.

 

[Rollz]

I like to think of each character as a unique song with different tempos and dynamics. Since performing techs differ with characters, I try to make a connection with each character rhythmically. It's like I'm drum covering songs.

 

[Geenareeno]

By choppy I just mean they aren't perfect.
Like you can see it... Its not smooth.

By this I'm assuming there could be two problems with your wavedashes (as there can be with any wavedash). Either you're leaving the ground a tiny bit, or you're not going as far as you could. There are remedied by tighter timing, and proper angling of the control stick (respectively). I'm pretty sure you knew all of that though.

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

I have the exact same issue and I'm trying to learn Fox. I learned to wd in 45 degree angle many years ago and it takes suprisingly lot practice to learn to wd perfectly.

But that's all it takes anyway

 

[Sacredtwin11]

How much further would a perfect wavedash go rather than a 45 degree one?

 

[-ACE-]

roughly 1.5 times as far.... or close to that