Content-wise: What I want to see done in Brawl.

[LavisFiend]

Now, I am not going to bore you with who I want to see in Brawl. Quite frankly, I could care less, as I know Sakurai will not drop the ball and that they already have good intentions of who they had put in the game. No, I am just going to list a few things I would like to see done in the game content-wise. If you want to list what you would like to see, then by all means, go right ahead.

-Every Character should have their own level.
There should be no reason why it shouldn't be this way. Mario, Donkey Kong, and Kirby levels dominated this build. they alone made up half of the level selections. Bowser is going to be on Brawl, why not battle in Bowser's castle? How about a rumble in luigi's mansion? Ganon's Castle anyone? Just add some variety is all I am saying. If every character had their own level in melee, the count would not have been faltered, as the character count and level count are the same or just about. Just some variety would be nice.

-Characters following the same moveset should get their own unique moveset
I am looking at YOU Fox/Falco Ganon/C.Falcon Pichu/Pikachu, etc...
It settled well for melee, truthfully, it was not really a big deal, as the game was rushed as it is, and for the most part? it worked. but just a tad more work on the movesets.

-Fix Character Balance
Kirby,kirby,kirby. One of my favorite characters, but not one of my favorite characters from melee. He is just way too underpowered. Deny it all you want kirby users, cause I don't give a flip, but it is true. He is just too weak, his attacks have little knockback, and he is just way too weak. It's as simple as that. Make Ganon faster as well, or lower the lag of the majority of his smashes. Simple things.

-Double=Love
This is my own personal preference. I want double everything; double the event count, double the trophy count, double the level count, the character roster, everything. but mainly double the event count. I loved those things.

-More Colors
Again, I understood that melee was rushed, but I just don't find it fair how some characters have 5 color choices as opposed to the characters with four. and why should their only be 3 team colors?
Basically, every character should have at LEAST; red, blue, green, yellow, white, black. Feel free to add any other colors, but at LEAST those.

-Better Death Flares
The death flares are the pyrotechnics that erupt when you die. I want a much more flashier explosion than the white smoke and stars.

annnd thats about it, if I think up any more, I will add it later, but thats about it. Also, if you don't like anything on the list that I listed, I don't really care. It is after all, my opinion. If you have your own, please feel free to post it up. but seriously, don't just post to flame my ideas. If you don't like them, you can let me know like a normal person by stating it, not throwing a fit.

That is all.

 

[spjd]

I agree with most of your points up there.
But I don't think every character needs his/her own stage. 'Cause if they have to make one for every character, then they will possibly be spending time making a weird Toad-level (just an example) instead of spending the time making 3 bad-*** mario-themed levels.

And I believe the death flares already does look prettier in the trailers. Could be wrong though.

 

[Fawriel]

Ganondorf does NOT need more speed.
The rest is fine. I like the prospect of having a stage for every character. Most of your points are pretty minor, but all the major ones have been discussed to death already, so why not.

What I want to see is:

-Better AI. If you are already forced to beat Single-Player a thousand times to unlock stuff, they should at least not make it boring and frustrating at the same time. The AI is so horrible I'm at a lack of words. It's PERFECT. The computer can utilize moves so precisely that Bowser's grab will seem like Marth's. The computer knows perfectly when it can attack with what how when why where whatever and powershields EVERYTHING. And yet, it's so incredibly DUMB that you can just stand there and smash whenever the CPU gets near! Once you figure out how to beat them if you don't want to get the Statue bonus, they will roll three times, then use the jab, roll, jab, jab, roll, jab. Which is especially nice for a n00b against a jerkass like Captain Falcon who incorporates a high-knockback move in his jab.
Make the thing less perfect and more SMART, for the love of god.

-Less items. "Oh my god, I'm so close to winning All-Star Mode on Very Hard without dying!" *bob-omb*
Fighting Zelda in Temple: "GET THE **** BACK HERE AND STOP COLLECTING ITEMS AT THE END OF THE WORLD!"
3 Nesses + lots of Mister Saturn = ADHD
etc.

-More balance. This is an obvious one. Marth has one weakness. Bowser has one strength. Hmmm.

-Personal entries again like back in SSB64.

-A beginner's stage like Final Destination so the most BASIC arena isn't the hardest thing to unlock. Just make it look lame or something so unlocking the real FD is still awesome.

That should be it for now.

 

[robyextreme]

edit: removed

 

[WR3K]

nice, the only thing that might be impossible is the double....


maybe a x1.5 ATLEAST

 

[Keige]

-Personal entries again like back in SSB64..

Wait? What? I haven't played 64 in a while.

 

[Kerocola]

Personal Entries. Good idea. Fox comes in on his Arwing, Yoshi hatches out of an egg, things like that. As the countdown goes down, the characters enter the battle instead of just appearing.
Balance would be good, but even if they tried, there's gonna be that one character that is the best, and the one that isn't so great. A little more would be nice, I'm sick of seeing everyone being the statistically good high tiers, and everyone else who uses another character gets laughed at. "Clones", loose term, I know, should be changed, not taken out. Colors, I don't really think it matters. 4 was fine. I don't want trophies in the next one, so I don't even want that doubled. They should come up with something new.

 

[Keige]

Ah, that's what you meant. I love those entries! I think characters should have different costumes instead, if it doesn't change them too much. Give Link the Zora and Magic Armor from Twilight Princess, or give Samus the Dark and Light Suits from Prime 2, for example. But colors are still useful.

 

[Finigin]

Having the intros again would be awesome. I thought that Melee was a little lacking without them. o.o

I do think that Ganondorf's attack should have less lag. I mean his attacks were pretty fast in WW and TP, but they were sooooo slow in Melee and that bugged me. D: I don't think he should be faster, though. He is supposed to be a slow guy that packs a punch.

I love the idea for each character having their own stages. :D It would be awesome if Wario's stage would be like Wario's Woods or WarioWare. :D I'm also loving the team color additions. Every alt costume will have a team color. :D

 

[HideousBeing]

Mmmm.... One thing I want to see in Brawl, is transparent percentages and stock. Everyone here has probably experienced being blinded by the percentages and stock at the bottom of the screen (like on BF, or KD64). Sakurai should fix it up, so that if the percentages interfere with the players' visuals of the characters, they should go transparent. Even that wouldn't be enough, but it would at least be an improvement.

 

[LavisFiend]

I don't see why you're telling this to us lol, we aren't designing the game.

The only thing I want in brawl is more colors *______*

Lol, well would you rather a healthy discussion, or me to fall back on repetive "sakurai said' topics? I just found this a fun way to express our opinions.

 

[LavisFiend]

Personal Entries. Good idea. Fox comes in on his Arwing, Yoshi hatches out of an egg, things like that. As the countdown goes down, the characters enter the battle instead of just appearing.
Balance would be good, but even if they tried, there's gonna be that one character that is the best, and the one that isn't so great. A little more would be nice, I'm sick of seeing everyone being the statistically good high tiers, and everyone else who uses another character gets laughed at. "Clones", loose term, I know, should be changed, not taken out. Colors, I don't really think it matters. 4 was fine. I don't want trophies in the next one, so I don't even want that doubled. They should come up with something new.

How by the power of zeus did I FORGET PERSONAL ENTRIES?!
yea, I miss those bad, but can anyone remember ness' entry?

That may true about the one that is always better and one that always suck, but there will be alot more characters in this build, so you can avoid it if you choose the right person.

 

[Finigin]

Mmmm.... One thing I want to see in Brawl, is transparent percentages and stock. Everyone here has probably experienced being blinded by the percentages and stock at the bottom of the screen (like on BF, or KD64). Sakurai should fix it up, so that if the percentages interfere with the players' visuals of the characters, they should go transparent. Even that wouldn't be enough, but it would at least be an improvement.

That would be great! I have had that problem before, too. It is annoying. <.<

All the things that I think should be in the game are already listed here, so... lol Great ideas, everyone! :D

 

[LavisFiend]

Mmmm.... One thing I want to see in Brawl, is transparent percentages and stock. Everyone here has probably experienced being blinded by the percentages and stock at the bottom of the screen (like on BF, or KD64). Sakurai should fix it up, so that if the percentages interfere with the players' visuals of the characters, they should go transparent. Even that wouldn't be enough, but it would at least be an improvement.

That's an outstanding idea! I can't tell you how many times I went into the boing room at the temple only to have one of my friends run away all the way to the far right of the level, stretching the screen and letting the percentages block our view. >.<

 

[Keige]

Mmmm.... One thing I want to see in Brawl, is transparent percentages and stock. Everyone here has probably experienced being blinded by the percentages and stock at the bottom of the screen (like on BF, or KD64). Sakurai should fix it up, so that if the percentages interfere with the players' visuals of the characters, they should go transparent. Even that wouldn't be enough, but it would at least be an improvement.

I've been thinking of how to fix this for a while. Why didn't I think of that? It's so obvious.

 

[WR3K]

your text is kinda harder on the eyes then the default

 

[Fawriel]

How by the power of zeus did I FORGET PERSONAL ENTRIES?!
yea, I miss those bad, but can anyone remember ness' entry?

Ness arrived in an explosion that turned him black, covered in soot with a smiling white face. Then he shakes it off and goes into position.
That makes sense because, in Earthbound, he gains a spell that lets him teleport, but in order to use it, he has to run at really high speed for a certain distance to get the necessary start-up. If he runs into something during that phase, the power of the spell explodes into his face.

Best. Entry. Ever.

I think most characters shouldn't really *enter* the arena, though, but rather just... do something to show they are ready for battle. "I just happen to have arrived, let's repeatedly kick each other in the face" doesn't quite make sense.

 

[Metaknightvision]

Aye some pretty good ideas in this thread. But yeah i really want the personal entries back (Ness' entry was him using PK Explosion or something and sorta exploding in his starting position, was great seeing that first time unlocking him!). On top of them, yeah a stage per character would be nice.. but just presuming theres 40 characters, i can't really imagine 40 stages being accessible, but then who knows! :D Two seperate adventure modes i'd find awesome too, one for the hero/heroine characters and one for the villain-type characters. Each one differing, such as if you're a hero type character, you go trhough all the villains levels and go through platformer type stages based on their games, and vice versa if you're a villain heh.

I'd also like some other online functuality to it. Sure online brawling would/will be amazing, but i dont know. You know how like... if you had a Pikmin saved game on your memory card it unlocked something? just nice tidbits like that which keep it fresh yet not essential

EDIT: Also, i barely post, and i thought i'd post this here anyway hah. If i had to pick a perfect character roster it'd have to be:
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Wario, Waluigi, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Yoshi,Kamek(or maybe even Boshi?), Captain Falcon, Ganondorf (revised though), Link, Windwaker Link, Zelda (TP look, however still with Sheik tranformation), Fox, Falco(revised), Wolf, Ness, Kirby, Metaknight, Samus/Zamus, Ridley, Dark Samus, Marth, Roy(revised), Ike, Black Knight, Pikachu, Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Lucario, Pit - i'd love to see them minimally, but meh, not a perfect world

 

[WR3K]

Ness arrived in an explosion that turned him black, covered in soot with a smiling white face. Then he shakes it off and goes into position.
That makes sense because, in Earthbound, he gains a spell that lets him teleport, but in order to use it, he has to run at really high speed for a certain distance to get the necessary start-up. If he runs into something during that phase, the power of the spell explodes into his face.

Best. Entry. Ever.

I think most characters shouldn't really *enter* the arena, though, but rather just... do something to show they are ready for battle. "I just happen to have arrived, let's repeatedly kick each other in the face" doesn't quite make sense.

since when do we need sense in ssb?


think of it as their "date with destiny"

they scheduled an appointment

 

[Mr.GAW]

Ganondorf does NOT need more speed.
The rest is fine. I like the prospect of having a stage for every character. Most of your points are pretty minor, but all the major ones have been discussed to death already, so why not.

What I want to see is:

-Better AI. If you are already forced to beat Single-Player a thousand times to unlock stuff, they should at least not make it boring and frustrating at the same time. The AI is so horrible I'm at a lack of words. It's PERFECT. The computer can utilize moves so precisely that Bowser's grab will seem like Marth's. The computer knows perfectly when it can attack with what how when why where whatever and powershields EVERYTHING. And yet, it's so incredibly DUMB that you can just stand there and smash whenever the CPU gets near! Once you figure out how to beat them if you don't want to get the Statue bonus, they will roll three times, then use the jab, roll, jab, jab, roll, jab. Which is especially nice for a n00b against a jerkass like Captain Falcon who incorporates a high-knockback move in his jab.
Make the thing less perfect and more SMART, for the love of god.

-Less items. "Oh my god, I'm so close to winning All-Star Mode on Very Hard without dying!" *bob-omb*
Fighting Zelda in Temple: "GET THE **** BACK HERE AND STOP COLLECTING ITEMS AT THE END OF THE WORLD!"
3 Nesses + lots of Mister Saturn = ADHD
etc.

-More balance. This is an obvious one. Marth has one weakness. Bowser has one strength. Hmmm.

-Personal entries again like back in SSB64.

-A beginner's stage like Final Destination so the most BASIC arena isn't the hardest thing to unlock. Just make it look lame or something so unlocking the real FD is still awesome.

That should be it for now.

I agree with everything you said.

As for the TC, I mainly agree, but a lot of those things aren't important to me. Colors? Couldn't care less.

And event matches? Personally, I thought they were a little stupid. For the most part they were easy because of stupid AI, but sometimes, like Fawrial said, they are too perfect and it makes it frustrating. I don't really care about Single Player that much, I just unlock all the crap and get to multiplayer and online.

I want:

-32-40 characters
-At least 8 good tournament stages
-An EXCELLENT online system
-Balance.

I don't care about much else, even though lots of unlockables are fun.

 

[Evil E.]

Well Bottom Line is Entrances Rock!!!!! and i would love to see the back in SSBB

 

[Fawriel]

That would've been a couple thousands of "dates with destiny" for me already...
I don't know, it just doesn't appeal to me as much. Like, the Pokemon appearing out of Pokeballs... that means they aren't individuals. And stuff..

 

[LavisFiend]

Ness arrived in an explosion that turned him black, covered in soot with a smiling white face. Then he shakes it off and goes into position.
That makes sense because, in Earthbound, he gains a spell that lets him teleport, but in order to use it, he has to run at really high speed for a certain distance to get the necessary start-up. If he runs into something during that phase, the power of the spell explodes into his face.

Best. Entry. Ever.

I think most characters shouldn't really *enter* the arena, though, but rather just... do something to show they are ready for battle. "I just happen to have arrived, let's repeatedly kick each other in the face" doesn't quite make sense.

Oh yea! Ironically I just got the power on my rom of earthbound (I am going through it again, I love that game to death) I kick myself for forgetting that.

Lol, but yea, I agree. It is almost like all the characters were locked in a cage, then let out to do battle, sort of like gladiators.

 

[Mysteryfox1]

I want:

-personal entrances
-good online mode
-stage for every character (good idea)
-better computers
-more characters(duh)
-not a long single player mode it is and stays a multiplayer game you can belance it with the online mode for enough game time
-3d gen pokemon out of pokeballs

 

[petre]

definitely improved AI. one thing i was thinking, was make them dash every once in awhile. i was just thinking, whens the last time i remember a cpu dashing? i know they run to get away from enviornment hazards, but other than that...
also, they could use aerial attack every once in awhile, when youre on the ground. as in, jump for the sole purpose of attacking, and not to get on a platform or something. they need more randomness.

 

[StarshipGroove]

All I want is:

-Better AI, even a SSB style AI would be good
-Many characters
-NESS
-Better character balance
-Character variety, Luigify or change the clones without removing their main ability
-All old chars except Pichu (eh well)
-At least 2 stages for each franchise
-One adventure course for each franchise
-A huge amount of music, songs, and remixes from SSB and SSBM music (why no SSB remixes in SSBM? come on)
-Lots of New items
-Unprecedented customizability (1 or 10 point for kill, char sizes, game speed, gravity, damage multiplier, stamina, items on/off rapid switch, names, handicaps, KOs you start with, damage you start with, etc.)
-More techs for the professional player and more techs for the intermediate player
-A slushie
-Ending movies and in game cutscenes
-An actual PERSONALITY for each character
-Customizable online
-Arenas with different art styles

 

[spjd]

All I want is:

-Better AI, even a SSB style AI would be good
-Many characters
-NESS
-Better character balance
-Character variety, Luigify or change the clones without removing their main ability
-All old chars except Pichu (eh well)
-At least 2 stages for each franchise
-One adventure course for each franchise
-A huge amount of music, songs, and remixes from SSB and SSBM music (why no SSB remixes in SSBM? come on)
-Lots of New items
-Unprecedented customizability (1 or 10 point for kill, char sizes, game speed, gravity, damage multiplier, stamina, items on/off rapid switch, names, handicaps, KOs you start with, damage you start with, etc.)
-More techs for the professional player and more techs for the intermediate player
-A slushie
-Ending movies and in game cutscenes
-An actual PERSONALITY for each character
-Customizable online
-Arenas with different art styles

I agree with all your points (btw; as I recall it, there were SSB-remixes in SSBM), but how do you think they should be able to make personalities for the characters?.. It's a fighting game.

 

[h2ownage]

i want heaps of characters (50+) and new movestes. thats it really, keep the basics of melee its god-like.

and personalized entrances again, there not hard to implement.
btw ness' was that he kind of exploded/teleported onto the level, covered in black dust which he shook off.

 

[Fawriel]

I agree with all your points (btw; as I recall it, there were SSB-remixes in SSBM), but how do you think they should be able to make personalities for the characters?.. It's a fighting game.

That point confused me, too. One thing that makes SSB so great is that the characters already *had* a personality before the game, and it usually shows in their movesets, too.
How much personality a character has depends on how much they originally did. So Luigi will always be awesome and Captain Falcon will always be that fruity guy in spandex.


EDIT:
Oh, another point to add to my list.
-Hitboxes that make SENSE.
I won't even get into Marth's grab. Here's some other examples:
I roll behind a Sheik using her repeated A thingy. Standing right behind her, I repeat, RIGHT behind her. My grab misses.
I stand next to Sheik in another situation and use the down-a at her feet. Misses.
I stand behind her, she's doing the AAAAA thing again, I use YLink's ftilt, it clanks. With an attack on the OTHER side of my target?

This game makes me want to destroy things sometimes.

 

[HiddenTiger]

yea, I miss those bad, but can anyone remember ness' entry?

For his entrance, Ness used PK Teleport to appear on the stage.

While I agree with most of the things you mentioned here, the only thing I really care about seeing in Brawl is balance. I'm not saying every character has to be exactly even, I just hope they made the game so that any character that isn't insanely broken on the level of Marth or Fox is considered "mediocre" or "below average."

 

[Icetrash]

Yeh I agree with practically everyone has aid especially that each character should have ATLEAST 1 stage.

 

[Caael]

Ah, that's what you meant. I love those entries! I think characters should have different costumes instead, if it doesn't change them too much. Give Link the Zora and Magic Armor from Twilight Princess, or give Samus the Dark and Light Suits from Prime 2, for example. But colors are still useful.

Dont forget the gravity suit, and her Fusion suit.

 

[Red Shirt KRT]

I agree with having every character have at least one map, before making some have 2 or 3 maps.

I also agree with doubling everything and giving each character their own moveset

 

[elegyempty]

This has probably been said, but I'd very much like to see actual COSTUMES rather than color variations. Like, Dark Link, Fierce Deity Link, Raichu as a costume for Pikachu, Dr. Mario as a costume, etc.

More "transformation" characters like Zelda/Shiek. Make it so Young Link can transform into his various mask forms from Majora's Mask forms. (So he's not a ****** Link clone.) Make Zero Suit Samus a Samus transformation. You get the idea.

AI. Seriously. You should be able to set AI qualities at least. Like, you could set the AI to "defensive" to be a pain to kill but not aggressive, or "Beast" to go after you relentlessly with no concern for personal safety or something. That would be nice.

No friend codes, please...I don't like having to deal with friend codes. Honestly. Just stop it.

 

[Mr.GAW]

You will be able to play random matches with no friend codes. Friend Codes is for playing unranked matches with people you know or like. The only difference between this and XBL is that if you play someone good, you can't immediatly end them to your friends roster, you have to find them online, and get their FC.

I know that sounds kinda bad, but the people you already have on your Wii Friends list you can just send a message to.

 

[Johnknight1]

Mmmm.... One thing I want to see in Brawl, is transparent percentages and stock. Everyone here has probably experienced being blinded by the percentages and stock at the bottom of the screen (like on BF, or KD64). Sakurai should fix it up, so that if the percentages interfere with the players' visuals of the characters, they should go transparent. Even that wouldn't be enough, but it would at least be an improvement.

Agree=fixes the problem I have with the 3 past stages in Melee! I seriously can't see in 3 or 4 player matches when someone gets hit, in heavy danger of getting Ko'd. It makes me so mad, so I only play those 3 courses on one vs. one matches only. One of the best ideas I have ever heard HideousBeing, if not the best idea!

I would like double the team costumes. Kepp the red, green, and blue, and add yellow, black, and white, or some easily reconizable colors like that. more team color diversity is neccissary, especially if SSBB has more than 4 person max at a time on online (I'm not sure about it being in or not, so don't say I think it will be in or not).

Also make every character have at least 6-8 costumes would be nice, and more outfit changes like DK (where his hair changes color) would be nice, where the whole character changes color (ie: Skin color, hiar color, etc.). This would be nice for highly likeable characters like Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong. Also other cool additions like totally, but not really changing the character (ie: Link in Dark Link form) would be pretty awsome!

I like the idea of every character having their own stage, and I could even strech it as far as the most reconizable characters (ie: Donkey Kong, Mario, Luigi, Link) get two stages! Stages simply need to become more of a center-piece of the series, and this is the way to do it! Roy, Marth, Bowser, Luigi, and several other characters got ******* over in Melee, and it should be like how it was in SS64 (except the secret characters get their own stages too as well=ya). Also I want to see more classic stages=heck yes!

Gread thread, and great thread idea! One of the best SSBB thread I have seen=o ya!

 

[smash~bomber]

elegvemptv shares my original idea >_<,
exept mine is abit different, and it goes like this:
characters should have different costumes, yews we all know that, BUT.... those different costumes should also have change-able colors! gets?

i mostly thought this because... TBH, i really didn't like the fact they made wario kinda... nasty, his costume, his "fart", actually, just his fart, his costume i dont mind, but then again i'd rather they made him use his original purple and yellow costume....
so anyway, id want it so like, for example...:
u can change between samus' power suit, varia suit, dark suit, and light suit (and possibly dark samus skin, unless they don't put"it" in) then after you change costumes, u could change its color, like.... a purple power suit, to make samus look all pimpy....
"but whats the point of making the (insert suit name here), turn (insert color here)? why not just turn into (insert suit name that resembles another suit name when colored)?"
well, good point, but atleast you'd still look like that certain suit/costume... just a different colored version though......




....was that kinda long? SoRrY~~~~


EDIT~:another thing, as i read the post above me, i realized that team colors are kinda confusing when some team mates use the same character as you, you know what i mean, and to tie it in with my costume+color idea, they could make it so that...example:
2on2
samus and samus (black)
v.s.
samus and samus(purple)

samus alpha and beta from team black would have like, one of them is using a black colored varia suit, while the other is using a black colored power suit.
meanwhile samus zeta and gamma from team purple would have like, a purple light suit, and a purple phazon suit (i think its from corruption, the phazon suit that is...)
anyway thats my idea, so yeah, feel free to think futher on my idea....i guess....

 

[Burning Lava]

Good and valid points for the most part. I'm really liking that "personal entries" suggestion though. Hopefully they do SOMETHING with that. Maybe in a totally different way, but I hope each fight starts out with a cool little animation of some sort.

 

[FSLMJM]

The only major thing that needs to be improved in Brawl is the AI. Seriously, no advanced techs, you know that kind of stuff. They should at least make it able to wavedash.

 

[Burning Lava]

^I don't mean to offend, but who cares about AI anymore? That's what having online solved. Just get online and pretend you're fighting computers. Well... I'm assuming you mean for the 1p "adventure" mode and stuff like that. Yeah, that would be nice, but really, you can only play 1p so long before you get bored with it. Even if they do improve it, you'll still find a way to beat the computer. Humans>computers. Well, at Smash anyway, and... for the next 30-100 years I'll wager.

My point is, yes, I agree it WOULD be cool, but really a low priority.

I don't mean to lay into you, it's just that you said "The only major thing..." Peace in the Middle East.