Smash 3DS Competitive Viability of SSB3D

[LiteralGrill]

Not everyone will have the resources to stream from a 3DS. A console still has the advantage in that it's far easier to have a big display.

The 3DS will definitely be good for casual matches but I don't think it'd be good for tournaments. Sure more done in less time but time is not always an issue with tournaments. You just gotta keep moving during the tournament.

It's true not everyone will, but as mentioned before it's even possible to have remote people stream the finals for another event. Not a great option, but a possibility.

There's only so much you can do to go faster with few setups. With the 3DS everyone brings their own console. TONS of events go way later or get behind schedule now no matter how good the TO, the 3DS could help with that.

 

[Big-Cat]

It's true not everyone will, but as mentioned before it's even possible to have remote people stream the finals for another event. Not a great option, but a possibility.

There's only so much you can do to go faster with few setups. With the 3DS everyone brings their own console. TONS of events go way later or get behind schedule now no matter how good the TO, the 3DS could help with that.

It's not just time you have to worry about but the quality of the tournament. It's not very fun if everyone is playing on their 3DS and others can't see.

 

[LiteralGrill]

It's not just time you have to worry about but the quality of the tournament. It's not very fun if everyone is playing on their 3DS and others can't see.

Who are the others to see? At least for the first part everyone would be playing. though yes, for things like finals it would suck I 100% agree.

 

[Big-Cat]

Who are the others to see? At least for the first part everyone would be playing. though yes, for things like finals it would suck I 100% agree.

Anyone not playing, taking a break, or whatever. Clearly you don't go to tournaments.

 

[Nstinct]

If there is a spectator mode on local wireless matches you could just have people bring their capture card 3DS and use them to stream Top 16/8 on a large TV/Projector. If local wireless doesn't have spectator we could use wifi if it was stable enough.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Anyone not playing, taking a break, or whatever. Clearly you don't go to tournaments.

Swiss Brackets tend to work differently, without lots of people waiting for setups, there wouldn't be as many people watching since they're likely to be in a tournament match (with everyone fighting in one round at a time at the same time). Yeah some people do come just to watch and such, but it is a bit different. Now when it came to cutting to a bracket from the top players I already said I 100% agree that then it causes issues as people can't watch.

 

[Big-Cat]

One more thing. There will be wireless interference and lag on the 3DS version for tournaments of a good scale.

 

[LiteralGrill]

One more thing. There will be wireless interference and lag on the 3DS version for tournaments of a good scale.

Yep. This could be a mixed bag. If there's a tiny bit of lag locally, a tiny bit of lag on wifi wouldn't be an issue. Think about it, wifi practice and tournaments being 100% as legit as in person for practice. OR it could be a huge disaster yes.

 

[Big-Cat]

Yep. This could be a mixed bag. If there's a tiny bit of lag locally, a tiny bit of lag on wifi wouldn't be an issue. Think about it, wifi practice and tournaments being 100% as legit as in person for practice. OR it could be a huge disaster yes.

It has never been that way. There will be a difference between online and local play no matter what you do.

No one wants local lag.

 

[LiteralGrill]

It has never been that way. There will be a difference between online and local play no matter what you do.

No one wants local lag.

No one WANTS it but lag is lag. It'd just be something people had to adjust to, hopefully it turns out to not be as big an issue. Though seriously, if online held the same basic lag as in person it'd be tolerable, even with bad netcode if you had a good connection in Brawl even you could have good matches.

 

[Big-Cat]

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

You're saying that there should be lag for offline play so it matches online play. You're contradicting yourself. Not only is that really stupid to implement but lag is variable.

If this is about online players adjusting to offline play then the burden is on them to adjust.

 

[Nstinct]

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

You're saying that there should be lag for offline play so it matches online play. You're contradicting yourself. Not only is that really stupid to implement but lag is variable.

If this is about online players adjusting to offline play then the burden is on them to adjust.

I think you're misunderstanding.

Yep. This could be a mixed bag. If there's a tiny bit of lag locally, a tiny bit of lag on wifi wouldn't be an issue. Think about it, wifi practice and tournaments being 100% as legit as in person for practice. OR it could be a huge disaster yes.

Capps is saying yeah it could bad, but hey look at bright side.

No one WANTS it but lag is lag. It'd just be something people had to adjust to, hopefully it turns out to not be as big an issue. Though seriously, if online held the same basic lag as in person it'd be tolerable, even with bad netcode if you had a good connection in Brawl even you could have good matches.

He's stating if lag exist in wifi and local play, we have no option but to adjust. If online had the same lag the 3ds demo had (or other 3ds games?) then it would still be enjoyable to play. Once again he's saying it could be bad but looks at the bright side.

 

[Soul.]

I really don't think the game will have lag on the online multiplayer. All we can do is wait for the 3DS version to be released, and then we can see if the online "lags". Still, the 3DS version deserves its own competitive scene just like the Wii U version.

 

[PingPongCop]

I personally believe there will be very little viability for the 3DS version after the Wii U version comes out, but the 3DS version just feels for fun to me.

Like @Speed said, Whenever there's a tournament or some Smash Bros related gathering, everyone will be playing their 3DS copies of the game! Whether it's for pre-tournament practice or to just to have fun with Smash Run, there will always be a use for Super Smash Bros 3DS.

Not to mention that whole tournament scenario I just described could be entirely different. You could be on a bus, plane, car, at a friends house, and practice like you never could before on the Wii U. This and Smash Run will be the main selling points of the game, and that's what it'll be used for.

Who knows? Maybe someday there'll be a Smash Run tournament? XD

 

[Lukingordex]

Maybe someday there'll be a Smash Run tournament? XD

why u do dis? ;-;


Smash 3DS MUST have a competitive scene, please, the biggest enemy of this possibility is exacty the lack of faith people is having for the version now, that's unfair.

 

[PingPongCop]

why u do dis? ;-;


Smash 3DS MUST have a competitive scene, please, the biggest enemy of this possibility is exacty the lack of faith people is having for the version now, that's unfair.

Never said that there was NO chance for a competitive scene, I was just saying maybe as a side thing there would be Smash Run tournaments ;-;

Honestly, I'm on board with you, there has to be SOMETHING there!

 

[Lukingordex]

Well, the last part of my post wasn't exacly directed to you .-.

And also wtf is that double post, smashboards stahp plz

 

[PingPongCop]

Well, the last part of my post wasn't exacly directed to you .-.

And also wtf is that double post, smashboards stahp plz

Well I wasn't taking offense to it, I was just agreeing with you is all

Also yeah Smashboards is like that sometimes.

 

[LiteralGrill]

Smash run tournaments? If people would compete, I'd love to make em happen.

 

[PingPongCop]

Smash run tournaments? If people would compete, I'd love to make em happen.

I sure would!

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

Smash 3DS can do one thing very well: Side events.

The very existence of Smash Wii U means that SSB3D is going to take a sideline, but it can do it with gusto.

At every Smash Wii U tournament, people should be encouraged to bring their 3DS to participate in different events like Smash Run and custom character tournaments. This is where the Smash 3DS scene is going to thrive, off the big screen, in the crowds.

I would go to Smash tournaments just to spectate on the main tournament and participate in the 3DS games.

 

[Big-Cat]

He's stating if lag exist in wifi and local play, we have no option but to adjust. If online had the same lag the 3ds demo had (or other 3ds games?) then it would still be enjoyable to play. Once again he's saying it could be bad but looks at the bright side.

What bright side?

 

[BADGRAPHICS]

What bright side?

Why are we even talking about a "bright side" as if things are mostly awful? We're getting two new Smash games; the 3DS version is going to be as good as it can be. It's not as if the competitive hopes of the community are resting on the adequacy of the 3DS. The platform is intrinsically imperfect for fighting games, we all know that. It's not impossible to make the most of it.

 

[Soul.]

There's nothing wrong with Wii U players using the 3DS version as a training ground. It's just going to make them ready for the Wii U version.
Of course, the 3DS version can be used in online tournaments, and even if the Wii U version is released, there will still be players using the 3DS version as their main. It's just a matter of preference. You can play on Smash 3DS, you can play on Smash Wii U.
In the end, though, both Smash games are getting competitive scenes.

 

[Raijinken]

If people want to play, there will be a scene. Powerstrips and carrying a charger around fix any battery issues, and I've honestly never had connection issues at short range. It'll almost certainly not catch on as much as much as the U version cuz no GCN controller, but it'll still be fine.

Well no one hosts smash tournaments in Piedmont North Carolina either, aren't we a pair. It's why I am so hyped for the 3DS.

Oh cool another NCer!

Yeah, availability of tournaments is always going to favor people from the more populated states, so assuming Nintendo beefs up their wifi game, the online options should be great for improving tournament access.

There's nothing wrong with Wii U players using the 3DS version as a training ground. It's just going to make them ready for the Wii U version.
Of course, the 3DS version can be used in online tournaments, and even if the Wii U version is released, there will still be players using the 3DS version as their main. It's just a matter of preference. You can play on Smash 3DS, you can play on Smash Wii U.
In the end, though, both Smash games are getting competitive scenes.

Pretty much how my friends and I are planning to play. I don't have a reason to get a U yet (awaiting FE or F-Zero announcements), so it's going to be all 3DS til then. Not like it'll ruin your play to practice on the 3DS. Portable Smash is automatically going to be nice to have.

 

[Soul.]

If people want to play, there will be a scene. Powerstrips and carrying a charger around fix any battery issues, and I've honestly never had connection issues at short range. It'll almost certainly not catch on as much as much as the U version cuz no GCN controller, but it'll still be fine.

At the very least, the 3DS' brightness should be set to 3, if players want their 3DS to not turn off when playing with someone.
The 3DS version will still be as good as the Wii U version even if there's no GameCube controllers, both will have competitive scenes, like I said before. Both will be fine.

Pretty much how my friends and I are planning to play. I don't have a reason to get a U yet (awaiting FE or F-Zero announcements), so it's going to be all 3DS til then. Not like it'll ruin your play to practice on the 3DS. Portable Smash is automatically going to be nice to have.

Yeah, it's not like it'll be a problem. Wii U players can practice on Smash 3DS, while Smash 3DS players do their competitive matches.

 

[Raijinken]

At the very least, the 3DS' brightness should be set to 3, if players want their 3DS to not turn off when playing with someone.

For that matter, turning brightness to 3 or so and setting it to battery saving mode is actually easier on my eyes. Might help others, too.

 

[Scourge The Hedgehog]

The tournament scene will be huge at the beginning. It'll be the first thing we can use to test out how competitive the game is overall. Whether we use 3-4 stocks, how much time players have, and stage selections. I honestly think the 3DS scene will stay strong even after the release of the Wii U version. Its a lot easier to run a tournament when you bring your own controller. In this case we'd already have the set ups.

 

[ElectricCitrus]

I think the 3DS will have a fairly strong competitive scene if we all do our part, I know Capps myself and a few others are doing things to try and build it up. If everyone plays their part and above all has faith in the scene then we can make the 3ds version as viable as we want.

My $.02

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm, brightness set at 3 + using power saving mode is alright. I'm pretty sure it'll stay strong after the Wii U game's release (like NoR4U said). The lack of no GCN controllers isn't a problem to me since I can get used to the 3DS controls quickly.

 

[Number1MinunFan]

Both will get picked up by APEX the rest will just be the wii u verison.

 

[SS-bros14]

Defiantly will and can be competitive, some people are just saying it won't be because it probably won't be compatible with a GameCube controller.

 

[BindingBlade]

Of course.

 

[Saikyoshi]

From the premiere session, things sound like they're looking up. Not for Wolf or Marth mains, but in general.

 

[Nikes]

The community needs to ditch their negative opinions on the game and learn to adapt if we're going to get anywhere, fortunately there seems to be a lot of people who understand this. Hopefully the game takes off well enough to force people to abandon their belief that this game won't be competitive, because it will

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

The community needs to ditch their negative opinions on the game and learn to adapt if we're going to get anywhere, fortunately there seems to be a lot of people who understand this. Hopefully the game takes off well enough to force people to abandon their belief that this game won't be competitive, because it will

I don't pay much attention to them anymore. People will talk trash about anything that changes what they're used to.

 

[Goten21]

If there is a spectator mode on local wireless matches you could just have people bring their capture card 3DS and use them to stream Top 16/8 on a large TV/Projector. If local wireless doesn't have spectator we could use wifi if it was stable enough.

Mte

 

[Senario]

In another thread, a user (who was posting off-topic and for the purpose of bashing) brought this to my attention - Many people don't think that Super Smash Bros. 3D is going to have a large competitive scene, in part due to connectivity problems, the unreliable battery, and the uncomfortable controls.

However, what's your opinion on the matter?

I personally feel that there are ways to alleviate the problems and, though it won't flourish as much as the Super Smash Bros. U scene, there will be large tournaments.

I can generally agree. These are all issues that only the 3ds version will deal with. Add to that the fact that the game doesnt base itself in solidly competitive mechanics all the time and it becomes a toss up. This isnt Blazblue or something that always has certain moves you can do and is consistent between games. What you are allowed to do on the most basic mobility level differs. For example falcon was great in melee and 64 but likely wont be all that good due to how air mobility works in brawl and likely smash 4. Air momentum is capped.

Oh also it doesnt look all that nice on stream. Esports are a spectator sport type thing.

 

[Saikyoshi]

I can generally agree. These are all issues that only the 3ds version will deal with. Add to that the fact that the game doesnt base itself in solidly competitive mechanics all the time and it becomes a toss up. This isnt Blazblue or something that always has certain moves you can do and is consistent between games. What you are allowed to do on the most basic mobility level differs. For example falcon was great in melee and 64 but likely wont be all that good due to how air mobility works in brawl and likely smash 4. Air momentum is capped.

Oh also it doesnt look all that nice on stream. Esports are a spectator sport type thing.

I haven't seen any extensive footage, but are you saying in the last part that it's going to be as boring to watch as Brawl anyway, even with all the improvements?

 

[Senario]

I haven't seen any extensive footage, but are you saying in the last part that it's going to be as boring to watch as Brawl anyway, even with all the improvements?

I meant graphically. 3DS simply looks kinda grainy when you watch it on streams. I personally don't like the look of the game on stream as even Melee looked better than smash 3ds. It has nothing to do with how the gameplay works.

The previous statement was skepticism about competitive mechanics because unlike other fighting games the mechanics have not stayed largely the same. (Like in blazblue, there will always be dash cancels, jump cancels, roman cancels(rapid cancel), Instant Air dash, ect ect.)