Comboing with marth

[theONEjanitor]

I watch all the neo, ken, and kizzu vids, and see all their amazing combos, but I can't seem to duplicate. especially using f-air.

everytime I use fair unless they're at extremely low damage I knock them too far away to do any combos. It seems like it would be a problem with sweetspotting, but i've tried hitting with different parts of the sword, but I can't seem to get it just right.

 

[The_Marth_Madness]

What percentage is your opponent at? Marth has a harder time comoing at higher percentages.

 

[shadydentist]

It does matters where and when on the fair you hit them. Try hitting with the tip more, that will send them up instead of away.

 

[theONEjanitor]

What percentage is your opponent at? Marth has a harder time comoing at higher percentages.

yeah i know, but Ive seen, for example, the ken combo done on an opponent who was in the 90's, 100's


ok shady i'll try to focus on the tip....for some reason i was thinkin tipper fairs are what would send them away

 

[DiSCO]

It's a lot easier to air combo if you've got SHDF down. You can just replace the second fair with your jump.
Typically at middle percentages, a tipper will prop them up perfectly for another fair or two after your double jump. Leads into more comboing, etc.

 

[The_Marth_Madness]

Also, when you master this technique, you can switch the second Fair in to a Uair so they don't get away with DI.

 

[Shai Hulud]

To do a Ken combo on an opponent at higher damage, you can full-jump a FAIR, sweet-spotting with the bottom of the blade, or you can just not sweet-spot the fair, depending on who your opponent is.

 

[theONEjanitor]

It's a lot easier to air combo if you've got SHDF down. You can just replace the second fair with your jump.
Typically at middle percentages, a tipper will prop them up perfectly for another fair or two after your double jump. Leads into more comboing, etc.

this is pretty much what i need to know.
i've got it now lol.

replace the second fair with the double jump is the ticket

only problem is, i have a harder time doing it when i'm facing the right than the left, because i use the C-stick to do my airs, and facing left, i just slide my thumb from X to the c-stick in one motion...facing right, i have to hit x then move my finger to the other side of the c-stick to push it to the right, add another nanosecond that kills my shdf

oh well i'll work on it

 

[Teczer0]

this is pretty much what i need to know.
i've got it now lol.

replace the second fair with the double jump is the ticket

only problem is, i have a harder time doing it when i'm facing the right than the left, because i use the C-stick to do my airs, and facing left, i just slide my thumb from X to the c-stick in one motion...facing right, i have to hit x then move my finger to the other side of the c-stick to push it to the right, add another nanosecond that kills my shdf

oh well i'll work on it

Thats interesting way to pull off the SHDF. I use the Y button so i just end up using the A button for the first fair then use the c-stick for the next hit(usually a u-air). but i do have a friend who tried using marth and also used the C button and i told him to try how i do it. He got it somewhat ok since all you gotta do is just slide your thumb from the X to the A and if u move forward you almost always do a f-air anyway. Just giving you more options to try and pull it off but u should ALWAYS go with what is easier for u.

Hope i helped

 

[theONEjanitor]

i'll try that,
i'llprobably try X to A actually, cuz i just can't imagine jumping using any other button besides X hehe

 

[shadydentist]

Try using Z. It doesn't require you to take your finger off of x, so its a little faster. Just don't do it too early or you do a grab instead.

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

The SHDF has been discussed in so many different threads on this board, it's... better to look at previous threads

However, I know that Ken, Neo, Azen, Husband, and myself all use A for the first fair then C-stick for the second. I'm sure every other good marth (I'm not one of them) like M2K does also. End of discussion.

 

[theONEjanitor]

hmm,,, well after a few days of practicing I can pull off the shdf using the C-stick for both fairs...maybe their way is easier, i'll try it

 

[theONEjanitor]

Try using Z. It doesn't require you to take your finger off of x, so its a little faster. Just don't do it too early or you do a grab instead.

don't you have to take your finger off the button in order to short hop lol

 

[Shai Hulud]

You should claw if it's not too awkward for you. It makes SHDF and many other techniques much easier.