Charizard Moveset Discussion (Currently: Utilt)

[Bomber7]

This is for Onxy: I have a question. Once you are done with all of this data compiling, what are you going to do with it. Even though I have been playing PT for a long time now I dont play people enough to know what move to use and what move not to use and how effective it is against that character. I'm just merely suggesting we put all of this data to use and make a chart and show how effective this or that move is against this or that certain character.

Almost like a match up chart. And you can have summaries of each move and list the characters and give the effectivness ranking (1-10 will be suffice 10 being the best) and then a summary. This is kind of like the "bombing liek a pro" thread on the TL boards. the guy gives a ranking on a character and gives a summary.

I think this is all i wanted to say.... see ya ^^

 

[Onxy]

This is for Onxy: I have a question. Once you are done with all of this data compiling, what are you going to do with it. Even though I have been playing PT for a long time now I dont play people enough to know what move to use and what move not to use and how effective it is against that character. I'm just merely suggesting we put all of this data to use and make a chart and show how effective this or that move is against this or that certain character.

Almost like a match up chart. And you can have summaries of each move and list the characters and give the effectivness ranking (1-10 will be suffice 10 being the best) and then a summary. This is kind of like the "bombing liek a pro" thread on the TL boards. the guy gives a ranking on a character and gives a summary.

I think this is all i wanted to say.... see ya ^^

That is the job of the matchup chart maker. He should list why characters are good against others. That involves mentioning moves that work and don't.

 

[Bomber7]

ok ty for info

 

[Retro Gaming]

Ftilt is just a little too slow for general use in my opinion. Like has been said, you need to predict (Maybe a spot-dodge or something) to land this without getting power-shielded and grabbed.

The one time I have a lot of success with this is hitting people that like to ledge camp. I am almost sure that Ftilt has more range when you angle it down, and the flame sweet-spot travels through land and can easily hit anyone on a ledge.

 

[Charizard92]

Ftilt, what do I say about it... It is generally weaker than dtilt, slightly longer ranged, and something more likely to attract a pyro.
Seriously, that is really all about Ftilt.

 

[Caasi11]

Well, if anyone really cares, the F-Tilt can be angled up and down (as Retro sorta said in his post). Its barely noticeable in a fight, but up close, its easier to see. Its simple really, just slightly move the control stick a little bit up/down when using the F-tilt.

However, you'll just do a U-Tilt or D-tilt if you move the control stick to far up/down. >_>

P.S: This also applies to Squitle, hence why I posted this in Squitle's tactical discussion topic.

Sorry if its old.

 

[zeta]

i agree that ftilt is all about the read. check it out i saw this snake was gonna try and abuse his ranged tilt read it and ftilt ftw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZchXWI9VYu4#t=1m

maybe if that wasn't snake it would have been a death blow

also also take note of the di when i get naired i've been practicing it. it happens twice i get naired and di in and dont take the last hit once at the beginning of the vid and once near the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZchXWI9VYu4#t=15s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZchXWI9VYu4#t=1m20s

 

[Steeler]

That is the job of the matchup chart maker. He should list why characters are good against others. That involves mentioning moves that work and don't.

i don't have time for this. after next monday, i'll have a month off of responsibilities though.

 

[Onxy]

Utilt

GO!

 

[Charizard92]

Oh, so much better. As we all SHOULD know, Charizard does extremely well when under opponents (except when meteoring), and Utilt is a good example of this. It serves as a fast firing easy way to rack up dmage (just keep spamming Utilt for awhile, like Squirtle's). Real good!

 

[PkTrainerCris]

This move is pretty interesting, its very fast, nice vertical range and KO potential... the problem is that the horizontal range is just bad....

 

[Bestiarius]

Yeah, but do you regularly use an up-tilt for its horizontal range?I find it really useful for juggling on Battlefield. If you are below them and they're on one of the two lower platforms, if you are dead center it seems to pop them up no matter where they are on it, but I could be wrong.

 

[Zephramrill]

Two things, at low percentage use Utilt into Usmash, at high percentages save it for an emergency surprize KO oppurtunity.

 

[The Derrit]

at low percent i use utilt to nair a lot, puts people in great followup position. its really nice for late game too when people are afraid of dying and airdodging around, because it comes out so quickly. if someone dodges through me utilt, its fast enough that its not easy to punish and it'll kill so its a good tradeoff.

 

[Steeler]

i always want to use this move, but then i just end up flicking the c-stick up instead ):

 

[CoonTail]

At this point I have bumped the other two moveset discussions to bring them back. Onyx I am now leaving 3 messages to see if your willing to start these back up.....if not let me know I will take over because we still have not gotten anywhere close to finishing these moveset discussions.

 

[Charizard92]

OK, Utilt (and for that matter, any U attack) is useful for a major asset of Charizard, juggling. Charizard can continue using Utilt to juggle opponents for awhile, and can link to Uair, or even Usmash.

Really, we got to move on. We got enough detail on Utilt already, there isn't a lot to talk about. Can we get to Dtilt now?

 

[Retro Gaming]

I love Charizard's Utilt. I personally use this or Uair over Usmash when I know Usmash isn't going to kill, since I like the really early Usmash kills. My Utilt rarely kills because I use it so often. At low percents you can do like two or three of these put together, and then probably follow with some aerial.

This is my favorite Charizard tilt.

 

[Pichu Sensei]

I personally don't use uptilt that much. It doesn't have a big hitbox, and upsmash is just better in almost every single way. The only times I use it are when I juggle with infi upairs, then land to use the tilt, but even then, that's at low %'s.

 

[iRjOn]

On Ftilt when the OP said that it out ranges dtilt this is not nessicarly true.

Charizard has 3 different dtilts you all know?

 

[Canvasofgrey]

I rarely find a situation which I use Utilt since I'm usually on the move with Charizard unless I'm Flamthrowing, but I know it's useful properties when called upon. Among his tilts, Charizard's Utilt is probably the 2nd fastest. I think Dtilt is the fastest with ftilt being the slowest in frames, but I'm not sure.

I think the best property of Charizard's Utilt is that it has a withstanding hitbox so opponents my be hit by it even after they they they dodged it. (Much like Rob's Aerials except less-so). And the other good property is that it has lower knockback in comparison to his other moves, which is useful to build damage by comboing. Much like a Utilt --> Usmash.

7.2/10

 

[iRjOn]

Oh I didn't give my thoughts
Sorry

Ehh utilt I rearly use it.
I use dtilts more then utilt.
But utilt is still good. I think is has the 2nd fastest startup like the person above said.
I think all 3 dtilts are faster.

I give it a 6.5/10
:]

 

[zeta]

On Ftilt when the OP said that it out ranges dtilt this is not nessicarly true.

Charizard has 3 different dtilts you all know?

wat? plz explain

 

[iRjOn]

wat? plz explain

The 3 bottom notches each make charizard and him only in the whole game do a different down tilt.
in front of charizard and down makes him use tail whip.
Normal dtilt is bite.
behind and down makes charizard use slash.

He is the only one of the cast with 3 different dtilts.

Idk y lol

I kno his foward dtilt has the flame effect.
Its sweet spot is like back air.
Other than that idk the difference in knockback and such.

I thought this was known
:\
I'll help testing and stuff after I get back from school.

 

[zeta]

=] those are his other tilts and jabs coming out =]

slash is just jab

and tail whip is ftilt

=]

 

[Thinkaman]

Yeah, no character has multiple d-tilts. Many (including Charizard) have f-tilts that can be angled up or down, and some have f-smashes like this.

Charizard's d-tilt is amazing, but you have to say "SNARF" when you do it. Sweet spot is sweet.

 

[MrEh]

Charizard's d-tilt is amazing, but you have to say "SNARF" when you do it. Sweet spot is sweet.

Any move that involves biting someone in the crotch is a move I approve of.

 

[iRjOn]

Yeah, no character has multiple d-tilts. Many (including Charizard) have f-tilts that can be angled up or down, and some have f-smashes like this.

Charizard's d-tilt is amazing, but you have to say "SNARF" when you do it. Sweet spot is sweet.

By golly you guys are right
:X
my bad
XD

 

[PkTrainerCris]

Any move that involves biting someone in the crotch is a move I approve of.

LOL.. i thought i was the only one who saw charizards dtilt as that
If my charizard gets a low percent kill from dtilt on my friends i say "charizard has just bitten you in the balls!!".. its pretty funny :D
I wanna talk about dtilt