Character Discussion Thread

[Rockaphin]

It simply feels like a wasted opportunity since theres so many creative options many people could potentially love.

Are you talking about ? I thought he was the most unique/creative Brawl newcomer. I apologize if you were talking about something else.

 

[BluePikmin11]

At this point, Mewtwo not making Smash 4 would be a travesty.

If he doesn't get in, and we get a Pokemon nobody really asked for, then Sakurai will likely be needing some burn heal from the flames of hatred toward him.

Mewtwo is not a character you pass over. He's the king right now.

I'm confident enough that Mewtwo is back for sure, so now the fire of death only comes to Jigglypuff and Pokemon Trainer, who could potentially be replaced.

Are you talking about ? I thought he was the most unique/creative Brawl newcomer. I apologize if you were talking about something else.

Personally, I don't really get what makes switching into characters so unique, switching doesn't give any noticeable rewards besides to make your Pokemon switch because they are so tired.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm confident enough that Mewtwo is back for sure, so now the fire of death only comes to Jigglypuff and Pokemon Trainer, who could potentially be replaced.

Neither of them have worthy replacements.
Jiggs has been around since the beginning, and quite frankly people are insane if they think any of the Original 12 is going anywhere ever.
Pokemon Trainer does a great job of representing Pokemon as a whole. No other character can really do that.

 

[Kenith]

Wait another second, are you claiming that THE KANTO STARTERS WILL REPRESENT GENERATION 6 WITHOUT MEWTWO?
Alright, I don't really think you know too much about Pokemon at all.
And many Pokemon reach the popularity of Squirtle and Ivysaur, mind you.
Charizard is the big kahuna.

I don't remember when or who said it, but I recall someone saying the idea that Pokemon "rep" gens is ridiculous, because each Pokemon represents every gen, or something like that.

I've already covered why they aren't going to replace the Kanto Trainer with a new one. It's quite simple.

Kanto Pokemon are the most iconic. Inarguable.

Adding a new team requires more work...the work of three newcomers actually. Why waste the time on 3 characters for one series when we can get 3 characters for three different series?

It sets a precedent for future Smash titles, replacing previous gen trainers with the newest, and that gets old quick.

You...have incredible logic.

Well, I was being rather sarcastic when I said that. It's a habit.

As for Lucina, I just don't think she'd get in when there are more important characters from her game.

The first Fire Emblem game released worldwide. Pretty big deal. Eliwood and Hector weren't even mentioned because she is more popular.

 

[Rockaphin]

At this point, Mewtwo not making Smash 4 would be a travesty.

If he doesn't get in, and we get a Pokemon nobody really asked for, then Sakurai will likely be needing some burn heal from the flames of hatred toward him.

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Mewtwo replace
Sorry, I said it.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Can I firstly interject and say how I think it's funny that hardly anyone has made mention of me changing my avatar from Booker DeWitt to Jennifer Lawrence??? You people make me laugh.

I'm confident enough that Mewtwo is back for sure, so now the fire of death only comes to Jigglypuff and Pokemon Trainer, who could potentially be replaced.

I find that hard to believe if I'm being honest. Mewtwo is still relevant, is the highest requested. He's the go to character to add. Considering we're getting fewer newcomers, and not many Pokemon X&Y characters reaching Lucario status, the prospect of getting somebody else from Pokemon is Farfetch'd . But seriously though, there is no reason to cut PKMN trainer unless he doesn't work or some reason, and Jigglypuff basically gets a pass for Original 12 status if you ask me.

Don't expect anybody else besides Mewtwo.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

How is Ike dead?



A Fire Emblem Awakening newcomer you say?

We're likely to get a newcomer from Awakening, and Ike has been kinda outdated. It's true that he wasn't a clever clone of Marth, but he was really slow. I'd love to see him back, but I just dont see it happening with Chrom stealing his thunder.

sir, who is this?

 

[Substitution]

Wait a second @ Substitution , have you ever even played a Pokemon game?

Alright, I don't really think you know too much about Pokemon at all.

You really like that argument don't you?
Let's see.
Off the top of my head, Ive played.
Emerald.
Ruby
FireRed
LeafGreen
Pearl
Platinum
White
And Black 2
Not to mention knowing a couple things in the competitive field.
I think I know what I'm talking about.

You think that Red is THE Pokemon Trainer, when there is no real "trainer" rather a changing avatar.
And I don't know if you understand Mewtwo's importance, but he's probably the most important and most iconic legendary of them all. He received 2 Mega evolutions and appeared in 2 new Pokemon movies.

Let me put it this way.
One, of the Trainers, "Red" has been in the most games.
And we can go to the second part, the starters.
Let's face it, the Kanto starters are part of what makes up the face of Pokemon (along side Pikachu and Mewtwo).
If anything, it's ridiculous not to have them.

Was he cut? Yes.
Was it a mistake? Totally. Sakurai himself likely realizes his error and is working on Mewtwo as we speak.

Because your opinions are fact. Clearly.
Now, and I know it's difficult to see, I don't mind Mewtwo.
But getting Mewtwo over PKMN Trainer IMO is ridiculous.

And I think it's time I said this...
...Why not both?
Why can't they be together?
Why can't we have one but not the other?

Wait another second, are you claiming that THE KANTO STARTERS WILL REPRESENT GENERATION 6 WITHOUT MEWTWO?...
...And many Pokemon reach the popularity of Squirtle and Ivysaur, mind you.
Charizard is the big kahuna.

No, I'm not saying that.
I'm saying they make up a part of X/Y, they have relevance (because that something important apparently).

And yet somehow they come along.
Huh, maybe they have some importance too.
Surprising I know.

Were talking about Uniqueness, not popularity.
No matter how important they are, I still think they can be replaced for a potentially better unique option.
It simply feels like a wasted opportunity since theres so many creative options many people could potentially love.

Once again, I need an example.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Neither of them have worthy replacements.
Jiggs has been around since the beginning, and quite frankly people are insane if they think any of the Original 12 is going anywhere ever.
Pokemon Trainer does a great job of representing Pokemon as a whole. No other character can really do that.

Sometimes you have to let go of nostalgia for a minute for something fresh and new. I personally think Sakurai doesn't really care about "the original 12" in general and how they are easily top priority.

Once again, I need an example.

Zoroark:

His moveset would bring illusions to table, sort of a Naruto vibe into him that no one in the cast has done before.

 

[Substitution]

Sometimes you have to let go of nostalgia for a minute for something fresh and new. I personally think Sakurai doesn't really care about "the original 12" in general and how they are easily top priority.

Yes, let's cut a character that's already been in three games.
If Jiggs was on the cut list, she would've been cut a long time ago.

 

[Arcanir]

Nah, I'm seriously pretty upset that Lyn was the only one who got new art and **** in the Awakening DLC, especially when other games with multiple lords got all of them represented. I'm not even a big fan of FE7, but Eliwood and Hector was cool as ****.

Not big into Lyn, though.

Actually, Sigurd didn't get one either.

So much arguing when we're probably just going to get Brawlmon + Mewtwo.
I think Lucario's return has proven that even those with the shakiest staying power (Charizard definitely doesn't have "shaky" staying power) will be returning. That also makes me think that, unless Sakurai is going to have some sort of trouble re-acquiring him (he wouldn't), Snake isn't going anywhere. If you were to ask pre-reveal, I would've told you that I thought Lucario was the first in line for the chopping block, especially with Mewtwo's return practically a given.
That, however, isn't the case, so I don't think it'll be the case with anyone else.

Except Lucario's wasn't "shaky" in the first place, looking at Pokémon he was one of the strongest ones in the entire franchise. There was little reason for him to leave.

 

[False Sense]

The first Fire Emblem game released worldwide. Pretty big deal. Eliwood and Hector weren't even mentioned because she is more popular.

I'm not quite sure if Assist Trophy's follow the same selection process as actual characters... I get what you're saying here, but since it's not an actual character, I don't think that can be used as evidence for Lucina.

 

[Rockaphin]

I think is even more relevant now than he was in Brawl. Considering these:
Kanto starters appearing in X/Y.
Charizard received two mega-evolutions.
Red is basically the "Final Boss" of Heart Gold/Soul Silver.
Red recently had an anime short.

 

[Louie G.]

Sometimes you have to let go of nostalgia for a minute for something fresh and new. I personally think Sakurai doesn't really care about "the original 12" in general and how they are easily top priority.

Which is obviously why Jigglypuff was prioritized in Melee.
Which is why Ness wasn't replaced by Lucas in Brawl.
Which is why 11 of Original 12 are top priority in every single game.
Sakurai cares about the 12, tremendously. If anyone has nostalgia for those characters it's the one who programmed them.
@ Substitution
I never said Pokemon Trainer will be cut, nor did I question the Kanto Starters' importance.
No need to get snarky and sarcastic, just give this argument a rest.
They are both important.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Sakurai already said he doesn't want to cut anyone, if a character doesn't make it into the game it's because, they ran out of time to make them, not because they were replaced with someone else.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Assuming Sakurai asks IS for input again, we're most likely getting an Awakening character. That's pretty gosh darn likely.

It's hard to say who would get picked. I have to go with Chrom however. I don't want to get into specifics because it will turn into the dead horse argument it always is (hence why I can't wait for somebody from FE to get revealed), so I'm going to pass.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Sakurai already said he doesn't want to cut anyone, if a character doesn't make it into the game it's because, they ran out of time to make them, not because they were replaced with someone else.

We'll have to see then.

 

[False Sense]

Sometimes you have to let go of nostalgia for a minute for something fresh and new. I personally think Sakurai doesn't really care about "the original 12" in general and how they are easily top priority.


Zoroark:

His moveset would bring illusions to table, sort of a Naruto vibe into him that no one in the cast has done before.

Zoroark seems a little outdated, at this point. I supported him back in 5th gen days, but those are over now. He doesn't match up to the importance of any of the characters we already have in Smash.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Marth and Ike can be our Awakening reps.

 

[Rockaphin]

If we were to see a Awakening character, I'd like to see Robin or a Chrom + Lucina tag team. I still need to get that game

 

[UltimateWario]

Marth and Ike can be our Awakening reps.

And Donkey Kong can be our Punch-Out!! rep.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Marth and Ike can be our Awakening reps.

I would TOTES be okay with this. Ike shouldn't be cut anyway. I'd like to play as Chrom if I'm being honest, but never at the expense of Ike.

 

[Louie G.]

Claiming that Zoroark is more important than PT or even Jiggs is stupid, in my opinion.
Who are you, Blue, to go against Sakurai's word? He said there are no cuts planned.
That means THERE ARE NO CUTS PLANNED.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well I'm a little late to the Pokemon discussion it seems but I suppose I'll throw in my thoughts on the matter anyway.



The only thing Pokemon Trainer really has against him is technical problems, but even then I don't think it is that much of an issue.

What he has going for him: Three unique characters in one, which also makes him a unique character as well. Plus the three Pokemon he has the iconic and hugely popular first starters (albeit, in different evolutions, one of them being Charizard, one of the most popular Pokemon of all time) I'm near-certain Pokemon Trainer isn't going anywhere.

Jigglypuff may have been low-priority in Brawl, and though she isn't as popular as she used to be, I don't think this matters at this point. She is still one of the original 12. Being low priority once, doesn't necessarily mean that one will be low priority again. This is more of my opinion than anything else.

Mewtwo is huge right now. IIRC, he is apparently the most requested character worldwide, and the is one of the most popular Pokemon currently, and it has been stated that Sakurai asks Pokemon developers "What's hot" when it comes to choosing Pokemon characters. How many Pokemon characters are chosen mostly matters on current popularity. Not to mention a Mewtwo starred in a recent anime special, and it was one of the most promoted Pokemon for X/Y.

At this point, it's pretty safe bet to say all Pokemon characters (other than Pichu) will be returning.

EDIT: Oh almost forgot.

Sakurai has stated that he is well aware that every character has his/her own fanbase and has no cuts planned. No cuts will be made for the sake of cutting characters or replacing them.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

And Donkey Kong can be our Punch-Out!! rep.

Even though he appeared in Punch-Out he's still a Donkey Kong character, Marth and Ike are still Fire Emblem characters.

 

[Substitution]

Zoroark:

His moveset would bring illusions to table, sort of a Naruto vibe into him that no one in the cast has done before.

All right. And let me show you why I disagree.
Is he a major part of Pokemon? Not really.

Has he had any major relevance? A movie. But that doesn't beat Mewtwo's and the Kanto starter's movie roles.
Not to mention are veterans. Which is a big deal in these parts.

Could Smash go on without him? Probably.

And, this goes against your statement.
Didn't you say they weren't looking for uniqueness? They we're looking for relevance?

Claiming that Zoroark is more important than PT or even Jiggs is stupid, in my opinion.
Who are you, Blue, to go against Sakurai's word? He said there are no cuts planned.
That means THERE ARE NO CUTS PLANNED.

I'm honestly beginning to think it's less of the newcomer for BluePikmin.
And more he just really wants the Trainer replaced.

It's just the vibe I'm getting.

"Why can't we have both?" Is the question here.
Why is it that we have to have one but not the other?

 

[RadRedi]

Jigglypuff may have been low-priority in Brawl, and though she isn't as popular as she used to be, I don't think this matters at this point. She is still one of the original 12. Being low priority once, doesn't necessarily mean that one will be low priority again. This is more of my opinion than anything else.

I'd say this is could also be on the factual side of things. Case-and-point: Toon Link.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'd say this is could also be on the factual side of things. Case-and-point: Toon Link.

Well, Sakurai does consider having a child Link in Smash rather important, so there is no doubt this is why Sakurai decided this was important enough this time to complete (and reveal) him as soon as he was.

Jigglypuff doesn't seem to have much going for her that could suddenly cause her to be made higher priority, but Toon Link's surprisingly early reveal still helps her nevertheless. It does indicate that a character who was once low priority could shift to high priority this time around.

 

[Rockaphin]

He said there are no cuts planned.
That means THERE ARE NO CUTS PLANNED.

I'd like to know where he said this. It's not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to read it myself.
This is all I could find: http://www.shacknews.com/article/79868/smash-bros-director-apologizes-in-advance-for-cut-characters

 

[Louie G.]

I actually feel like we'll get Jigglypuff tomorrow, speaking of.
Battle Trozei just came out, and we need more Pokemon.
I doubt Sakurai knows about Warioware's anniversary, honestly.
Mario Kart 8 makes more sense for a Wario reveal.

 

[False Sense]

Well, Sakurai does consider having a child Link in Smash rather important, so this is clearly why Sakurai decided this was important enough this time to complete (and reveal) him as soon as he was.

Jigglypuff doesn't seem to have much going for her that could suddenly cause her to be made higher priority, but Toon Link's surprisingly early reveal still helps her nevertheless. It does indicate that a character who was once low priority could shift to high priority this time around.

Well, technically Jigglypuff does have more relevance now that she has that new Fairy typing.

Honestly, the Brawl roster + Mewtwo idea just seems so perfect in being both a great representation for the series as a whole while also showing off the latest gen, without even needing to force a new character onto the roster for the sake of new representation.

 

[UltimateWario]

How possible is it that all of the characters are, for the most part, done, besides balancing?

 

[SmasherMaster]

I think Pokemon Trainer might be revealed with his/her three Pokemon this month. The character reveal for the month would follow the two character a month that has been happening. And it could be used for Pokemon Trozi.

 

[Louie G.]

How possible is it that all of the characters are, for the most part, done, besides balancing?

I think that's very possible.
I would have said the same thing back in September when we got Toon Link.

 

[Rockaphin]

I think Pokemon Trainer might be revealed with his/her three Pokemon this month. The character reveal for the month would follow the two character a month that has been happening. And it could be used for Pokemon Trozi.

I hope you're right
But I have my doubts. . .

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Well, technically Jigglypuff does have more relevance now that she has that new Fairy typing.

I do think this could potentially help her, but at the same time I'm not sure it's enough.

If there is any reason (other than being one of the original 12) that Jigglypuff would become high priority this time, I think it would be to revamp her, with some new Fairy-type moves included.

Honestly, the Brawl roster + Mewtwo idea just seems so perfect in being both a great representation for the series as a whole while also showing off the latest gen, without even needing to force a new character onto the roster for the sake of new representation.

I completely agree.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

sir, who is this?

He's the co-host of a wonderful Internet show called Super Smash Bros. Wii U Weekly, they're very knowledgeable about what's likely to to happen in Super Smash Bros. I'm sure everyone here would agree.

 

[Joe D.]

In regards to Jigglypuff, I really hooe he gets a couple of cool new moves to fit the new fairy typing. I wasn't a fan if his side B move, and I think it should be replaced with Fairy Wind. Also, his final snash should be Moon Blast, (or burst, I forgot the name.)

 

[SuperBrawler]

Claiming that Zoroark is more important than PT or even Jiggs is stupid, in my opinion.
Who are you, Blue, to go against Sakurai's word? He said there are no cuts planned.
That means THERE ARE NO CUTS PLANNED.

Which is why only Mewtwo would be replaced. But it won't happen so, any Pokemon that isn't included in Brawl+Mewtwo is screwed.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Not saying they should be cut, just saying them bringing it up as a real possibility.
I'm obviously not in control in this game.

Also I didn't claim Zoroark was more important, I'm just saying he could potentially be added because of his uniqueness like Rosalina even though it wasn't necessary. And as of that result, it might result to cutting the puffball or the trainer.