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Niala
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Fair enough. What I see as charming you see as annoying, that's all.
At risk of using too much French, I also found the repartée very enjoyable. The experience of Uprising was done incredibly well, allowing the gameplay and story to walk hand-in-hand.
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I mean he's ok. I warmed up to him for sure. I didn't like him back in Brawl though because I just considered him a Spammy High-Pitched (His VA was the same as Micaiah's in Radiant Dawn) Diaper baby. But that's pry cause all my brother did was spam.Fair enough. What I see as charming you see as annoying, that's all.
At risk of using too much French, I also found the repartée very enjoyable. The experience of Uprising was done incredibly well, allowing the gameplay and story to walk hand-in-hand.
The style of storytelling was excellent. It's like Portal. You don't have to watch all these long cutscenes and it all moves along so smooth and seamlessly. I mean, that shouldn't be done with all games. But for this one it fit perfectly.Fair enough. What I see as charming you see as annoying, that's all.
At risk of using too much French, I also found the repartée very enjoyable. The experience of Uprising was done incredibly well, allowing the gameplay and story to walk hand-in-hand.
They shoulda done that with Metroid: Other M.......
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Niala
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Interesting factoid, I had no idea it was the same voice actor as Micaiah. And I agree that in his Brawl days, he was a bit... "HI-YI-YI-YI-YAH." I found such a difference between Brawl and Uprising Pit, though. That game truly impressed me.
You're right in saying it doesn't fit every game. There are games (for example, Paper Mario series) that use a very text-heavy style, that work just as well. It just created a very unique, involved experience, that was very enjoyable.
Never played Other M, but the general consensus is that it was terrible, so I'll take your word for it.
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For sure. Pit was a ton better in Uprising. He's just still a tad annoying sometimes. Micaiah, Lucas, Pit, and Nancy Drew (the mystery game PC series my sisters play) I believe are all the same Voice Actress.Interesting factoid, I had no idea it was the same voice actor as Micaiah. And I agree that in his Brawl days, he was a bit... "HI-YI-YI-YI-YAH." I found such a difference between Brawl and Uprising Pit, though. That game truly impressed me.
You're right in saying it doesn't fit every game. There are games (for example, Paper Mario series) that use a very text-heavy style, that work just as well. It just created a very unique, involved experience, that was very enjoyable.
Never played Other M, but the general consensus is that it was terrible, so I'll take your word for it.
Anyway, I'd like to talk about Captain Rainbow now. What are your guys thoughts on him?
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Niala
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Rockaphin
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I'm not too fond of region exclusive characters. But for those who've played Captain Rainbow praise the game. I've never played his game so I personally wouldn't care for his inclusion.
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Captain Rainbow is the titular character from a Japan only game. I haven't played it myself. However it features Little Mac and Takamaru. The fat Mac trophy we saw is from that game.
I haven't played it, and am disappointed the fan translation is dormant. However Takamaru and Fat Mac (We got a trophy of him) are both in his game, so I could see him having a chance. He seems like he could be an interesting character.
HylianHeroBigBoss
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exactly, its very effective at creating distance or at least getting your enemy off the platform.
Burruni
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I see this game going the way of Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland: A really quirky and surprisingly lovable japanese-only title that will silently fall into obscurity. Plus... I kinda only see one Captain on the roster who needs Sakurai to make up a moveset from scratch for. Unlike most newcomers that i see tossed around frequently whose supporters I get upset with for a myriad of reasons, I have a grim respect for C.R. followers when I just don't see him happening because of how small he is. Not because he wouldn't be a good addition to the roster.
Well I guess I never noticed that, awesome, I'll keep that in mind if it stays there lol.
Funny how I'm still learning crap about Smash even though I've been playing it for 10+ years. Like the Cloaking Device shielding your from damage? Didn't know that until this year courtesy of a friend of mine.
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mark welford
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spoken like a true philosopher sir and youre right smash is the only place where a puffball can fight a space bounty hunter
Plain Yogurt
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Well Andy, whom you see in my profile pic, is a mechanic. I'd imagine his basic attacks would involve him swinging wrenches around while his specials might have him constructing units from the series to help him out. I suppose it would be a bit like if the Engineer from TF2 was a smash character, maybe.
Meanwhile, Sami is an infantry specialist. Lots of her official art depict her carrying a bazooka, so I imagine she'd go the Snake route with her normals in that she'd use a few explosives mixed with melee attacks. Special-wise, the infantry class in AW specializes in capturing property, which generate money along with providing defensive benefits and restoring hp every turn. Maybe Sami would have a move where she plants a flag that would generate a field that improves her stats while she stands near it?
Just a few ideas I kick around from time to time.
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Which Advanced Wars are they from? The original? I own Days of Ruin but have yet to play it. They both seem like interesting ideas though.
Also, your username reminds me of Minami-Ke. How did you come up with it?
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for some weird reason your avatar reminds me of korra
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for some weird reason your avatar reminds me of korra
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It's Lucina. And that's quite off topic. At least mention something related to the topic. I don't want you getting warned.@
Anyway. How likely is Andy?
mark welford
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im sorry but I needed to point that out so I could get it off my mind
Plain Yogurt
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Yeah they're from the GBA games and the first DS game. Days of Ruin was solid, but I personally feel the more whimsical/cartoony nature of the originals would fit better for smash characters.
My sister's chem teacher mispronounced our last name as Yogurt and asked her what flavor she was. She responded with plain. When I had the same teacher two years later he asked me if I was plain like my sister and it just kinda stuck. Easy to remember and it's not usually taken so...
Maxilian
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Well i would like Captain Rainbow as a skin of Captain Falcon (with new effects and things like that: like his Falcon Punch as a Rainbow punch just for the lolz) but nothing more... leave him like that
Morbi
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Andy is about as likely as everyone believes Dark Pit to be; however, there is a subtle difference, Dark Pit was alluded to.
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Very interesting idea.
Ok, I'm not sure how that goes. Is Dark Pit universally considered likely or no?Andy is about as likely as everyone believes Dark Pit to be; however, there is a subtle difference, Dark Pit was alluded to.
Morbi
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Most certainly not, most believe that he will reprise his role as an alternate costume. Another theory is that he is a stage-boss for Palutena's Temple. Andy is very much the same way, aside from the notion that he was not a costume in a prior Smash... and no one suspects him to be a boss character.
mark welford
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so would he say rainbooooooowwwww punch! and rainbow kick instead of falcon punch and falcon kick hey while your at it make his final smash a charging pony instead of the blue falcon
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Maxilian
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I don't think people see Andy in the same way they see Pitto but well... also who could have a costum of Andy and still make sense?Most certainly not, most believe that he will reprise his role as an alternate costume. Another theory is that he is a stage-boss for Palutena's Temple. Andy is very much the same way, aside from the notion that he was not a costume in a prior Smash... and no one suspects him to be a boss character.
Morbi
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I suppose that would be possible if he had a different voice-actor, which I presume he would.
In such cases, even if two characters' names and voices differ, as long as they function the same way, I assign them as alternate costumes.
mark welford
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I just edited the comment see what else I put in the comment that would offset or cancel out his mantone
Maxilian
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Yep, that's why i say that he could be an alternate costume
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Andy's sort of a pipe dream because Sakurai has the tendency to show new content based on the last or current generation with the exception of retros. Seeing that TTYD form of the Paper Mario stage was a nice change of pace though and I hope there's more like that.
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It might be just me, but Olaf > other AW options.
I can even pretend he's Santa kicking ass!
(Yes, this is an in-game palette option)
I can even pretend he's Santa kicking ass!
(Yes, this is an in-game palette option)
Niala
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So I came home and had 6 notifications. @
Morbi
must have read my posts.
Morbi
must have read my posts.Now that you mention it, I remember people talking about Captain Rainbow when the Fat Mac trophy was used as a PotD. I still know little about him, but from his image, I could see him being a Captain Falcon skin. They're even both captains, how oddly convenient.
Plain Yogurt
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Shoot if the only Wars stuff we got in this game was an Olaf AT using Blizzard I'd almost be satisfied. Honestly as long as there's an improvement from the copy paste sprites AT from last game I'd be okay. I just think it's a bummer that we've got four (FOUR!) Fire Emblem characters along with stages, an AT and music whereas Wars has nothing to be seen. It doesn't help that it's apparently pretty unpopular in Japan (I heard Days of Ruin wasn't even released there).It might be just me, but Olaf > other AW options.
I can even pretend he's Santa kicking ***!
(Yes, this is an in-game palette option)
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Captain Rainbow wouldn't be an alternate costume for Captain Falcon, for a character to be an alternate costume for another character they have to have a close relationship with that character, as stated by Sakurai.
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I am aware that you responded to my points, but I cannot help but feel that you did not actually address a good majority of them, particularly on the last one.
I read Sakurai's quotation in full, thank you very much for going to the effort of putting the rest of it on the board. The two do not contradict each other. One merely coming chronologically after the other does not mean that it supercedes the notion of that stated prior, and unlike your extravagantly highlighted 'HOWEVER,' I will not go to the efforts of coming up with a basic grammatical sentence to demonstrate your err because I am aware that it would appear as unnecessarily condescending at it would in fact be.
My statement was showcasing Sakurai's outright assertion that a character can in fact have a different name and still be an alternate costume, which indicates quite heavily that he has in fact already utilized this technique in the game (I would imagine for the same two characters you state had move alterations, Dr Mario and Dark Pit), and that, for this example, once he then decided to make Lucina's moves have different properties, he gave her a different slot (or potentially, gave her a different slot and then gave her altered move set properties to justify her separate slot, whereas other alternate costumes with the name changes he states he is fine with, do not have alternate slots).
Without getting too heavily into Dr Mario or Dark Pit, I would claim that you arrived at your justification for their inclusion as separate characters backward. Instead the quotation proves that they are in fact alternate costumes, which Sakurai has stated he is doing in THIS game, where previous precedents do not all apply (villager being the prime example, though let me count thy ways elsewhere). In Melee he added Dr Mario for his music, and as a suggested joke and filler character to only later be cut. It is only by your personal bias that you assume Dr Mario could only return as a full out clone rather than as an alternate character costume when Sakurai has stated clearly his lessened interest in clones and his willingness to include characters with different names as alternate character skins without them 'taking up slots.'
This seems incredibly circumstantial, particularly from the same person who (if I am remembering correctly) finds another DK representative to be unlikely, despite a plethora of evidence, as well as the support of which you bring up here, but with actual justification to the argument that DK does not just appear to be a frontrunner of the series, and is not just marketed as it for this game, he has actually been in it since the beginning.
You say you do not find it strange Kid Icarus would receive an additional character, and I concede. Clap your hands together and welcome Goddess Palutena. It is TWO representatives that I would find strange to add. He may add Pit to some more of the promo shots, that is dandy, but I'm not sure where this equates to it being on the exact level of the actual series which have been in it since the beginning, or more importantly, the ones who have an exceedingly large number of games, decades of history, and an extraordinary cast of vibrant characters who are plausible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUyoUfy5hGs
We have always gotten a bunch of anime swordsmen, well, since melee. The difference here is that we have actually gotten a public outcry for female representation. Sure, we get a public outcry for many things, but this is something that Sakurai has actually given quite notice to. It could be argued it is just by coincidence that so many females are in the game this go around, but I prefer to look at the facts. In the past, the select screen showcased how many females? Peach, Zelda, and Samus.3. So if Dark Pit was a female, he would be considered more likely? Dixie Kong confirmed. They have also attempted to add more anime swordsmen... so the point is moot.
Now, who are playable options as females? Peach, Zelda, Sheik, Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Rosalina, Robin, Lucina, and all Mii Fighters. I might have even missed one.
Obviously, the only moot point here is that being a human female has been proven to be of somewhat importance this game; perhaps it did not allow any character a free pass into the game, and it should not have, but our female representation is at an actual slice of pie in the circle. This makes it appeal to more consumers, which is stated, of course, to be what Sakurai wants.
I am not a fan of Roy, so I will not say I can fully speak on this point. That said, Lucina is the full blade as power, versus Marth's tip, which is what I had believed Roy was to Marth as the primary different. The fire, like his hair, is a visual difference, of course- but given this game being thirteen years the successor to Melee, I'm sure the fanboys of 2001 have grown up enough to get over a visual cue of fire, if that is really all they wanted.
Awakening may have been successful, absolutely, but Fire Emblem as a whole is what warranted the additional characters. It is not a single game, it is an entire franchise with over a dozen games to its name. Many other games were quite successful as well, too many to count in fact.
As you stated, he has given Kid Icarus a few more items, stages, and whatnot than other franchises- this could just as easily be read as the entirety of the preferential treatment he would give it.
Or if not, why stop there, why not make the assertion that Kid Icarus will join the ranks of other series and have four or five characters representing the series? It sounds all the more absurd because it draws on the exact same points I have stated in this response to you. Do you think Kid Icarus would get four or five representatives? If so, why, and if not, why not?
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Is it just me, or could this be hinting at the Ice Climbers?
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No. If anything it shows they were replaced by the Villager Climbers. Armed with pickaxes instead.Is it just me, or could this be hinting at the Ice Climbers?
YoshiandToad
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This is the greatest roster I have ever witnessed. I'm not even joking.i made my dream roster more...... visually appealing
(Tiki, 'Marth', Hades and 'Paper Mario' in particular make this. As does realistic Rayman. Who is the Pokemon next to Genesect though?)
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