Changelog from 2.1 -> 2.5?

[onionchowder]

Is there one? I'm curious to see how Ness has been patched.

 

[splat]

If I recall correctly, they said upon 2.5 launch that there wouldn't be one for at least "the next two weeks".

I guess we'll have to wait for a bit.

 

[Shadic]

It'll be out soon. No ETA though.

 

[onionchowder]

Mmk. In that case, are there any significant changes that people have noticed? PSI Magnet is now jump-cancellable all the time; iirc, it was only jump-cancellable out of absorption in 2.1 (like in Brawl).

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

The few big ones off the top of my head:

PKT stays and can hit you or your enemies after you lose control (get hit) like Melee
PSI Magnet is now a shine and awesome with DJC
Bat is now anglable
PKT2 has less endlag used air to ground?

 

[GMaster171]

also, d-throw has more endlag, d-tilt has much earlier IASA frames

other changes I know are rumors or are not direct changes (they are due to engine changes, so no really Ness himself changing)

 

[ItsRainingGravy]

I want to make babies with the person who worked on Ness's Psi Magnet.

 

[DarkLydale]

ness's grab game ,such as pummeling the opponent, now has a semi-punch to it instead of the muiltiple rapid strike. how come they changed that for him in 2.5? his grab was perfect in 2.1. (to me honestly)

 

[standardtoaster]

It was part of a global pummel speed change to match melee pummel speeds across the cast.

 

[Magus420]

Grab someone at 0 with WarioMan, start pummeling, and see how many coins you can get before they break out. That's what would happen if he had the same speed as before.

 

[Kati]

<3 the new psi magnet.

But the new kb system makes finishing while they are caught in pk fire more difficult.

 

[GMaster171]

I don't really find it harder, then again I go for b-throw often to kill. Get used to pivoting when grabbing so you can always have your back to the edge when throwing, trust me, it cuts of a lot of % needed to kill.

 

[G13_Flux]

doesnt PK flash now still come out if ness is hit while charging it?

 

[GMaster171]

No, that was in a previous build, but was held from 2.5 (i dont exactly know why, i think it was a little too much)

PKT does tho, not the best in all situations, but its a nice touch

 

[SinisterB]

-Ness' momentum from a running Jump is slightly increased
-Ness' normal air speed is increased, and air friction decreased
-Ness' Air Jump animation touched up near the end
-Ness' Dash Attack cannot be DIed down and shielded inbetween hits
-Ness' Up Tilt has better coverage in front of him, and IASA is earlier
-Ness' Down Tilt can IASA into itself quickly like Melee and Brawl
-Ness' Forward Smash can be angled up or down
-Ness' Forward Smash tipper hit knockback growth increased
-Ness' Forward Air animation touched up near the end
-Ness' Back Air animation touched up
-Ness' Dash Grab has a new animation
-Ness' Down Throw has more endlag
-Ness' Neutral B can charge for slightly longer
-Ness' Side B travels for slightly longer
-Ness' Up B has a hitbox during startup
-Ness' PK Thunder no longer dies when entering the side blastzones, and does not clip stages as easily
-Ness' PK Thunder no longer dies when Ness is hit, and instead becomes unfriendly towards any player and continuing in the same direction before he got hit
-Ness' PKT2 travels a bit faster over the same distance
-Ness' PKT2 hitboxes cover him better
-Ness' Down B absorb collision is decreased in size to match the graphic better
-Ness' Down B healing multiplier slightly increased
-Ness' Down B hold and ending can be jumped out of
-Ness' Down B floats at the start for much longer before beginning to fall
-Ness' Down B has a weak initial hitbox at the start of the hold, and a repeating non-flinching hitbox afterwards
-Ness' Up Taunt has a Smash Taunt (release the taunt button quickly) based on a reference from his games

Still in the process of doing my write-up lol.. but yay! It's finally here! The official 2.1 -> 2.5b change logs for Ness. So nice and shiny.