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[stingers]

vice i know you're trying to like make a sound argument and all but there is absolutely no way you can honestly think i'm taking nothing outside of north carolina into account.

okay new tier list

mk
rob
marth
fox
ddd

 

[Vinnie]

DK doesn't beat Marth, but plenty of characters have a pretty solid advantage against him (and obviously being disadvantaged to MK will bring you down further in the tier list). MK, ICs, Dedede, and ROB all have an advantage on Marth.

@Stingers you forgot Zelda.

 

[V1CE]

lol Vice I just want you to know that DK does NOT beat Marth

YES HE DOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol go get 3 stocked by Will lol.... i have seen minty get ***** by will in the MU and pierce... hell my DK does well against marth.

DK has better options in almost every situation and will never die unless he gets tipped unexpectedly.

ok ok i retract the above statements. IMO i still think DK wins just saying sry for being mean.

 

[stingers]

i would bet $50 against will if he had to play kadaj...and I <3 will he's **** as ****...but dk doesnt win that mu lol

 

[Cory.]

vice i know you're trying to like make a sound argument and all but there is absolutely no way you can honestly think i'm taking nothing outside of north carolina into account.

okay new tier list

mk
rob
marth
fox
ddd

aw thanks..

 

[_Kadaj_]

I've beaten Will in tournament before Vice, but that's not the point of the matter. They run even.

Vinnie at best It's 55/45 Marth's favor vs ic's at worst it's even. Marth vs Rob is even as well and at best Marth has a small advantage.

But he does indeed lose to both MK and D3 55/45, those are Marth's only REAL bad mu's everyone else he either destroys and he runs even with a few

 

[V1CE]

i would bet $50 against will if he had to play kadaj...and I <3 will he's **** as ****...but dk doesnt win that mu lol

i wish that mm would happen so i can jizzzzzz all over you guys

okok its w.e. i would agree its even but i just think maybe there are just better Dk's then marths out there

 

[_Kadaj_]

See my last post Steve

 

[Vinnie]

Vinnie at best It's 55/45 Marth's favor vs ic's at worst it's even. Marth vs Rob is even as well and at best Marth has a small advantage.

Do you really think Marth beats ICs? :/ I'm not really disputing that, and some other people think that as well. I just think it's ICs' favor -.-... what does marth do? Retreating aerials, countering blizzard, ken comboing nana, and how he ***** popo so hard? I mean I GUESS I can possibly see it happening... also IMO he loses 4:6 to MK, but not much worse than that, contrary to popular belief (maybe slightly worse if you count counterpick stages like brinstar/rainbow).

i have seen minty get ***** by will

Even though I hate Minty, Minty usually beats Will in tourney and I do think it's Marth's favor.

 

[V1CE]

See my last post Steve

yaya whatevaaaaaaaaaaaaa ITS ALLLL GOOOOOOD lol I still have a Giant DK and thats all that matters ;P

 

[Cory.]

marth mk 6:4? one word grabrelease

see what i did

 

[Stockfield]

Can't wait to you come and play us Vice lol.

 

[Cory.]

excuse stockfield

he no english

 

[Vinnie]

marth mk 6:4? one word grabrelease

see what i did

marth:mk evenish? one word: metaknight'sentiremoveset

 

[V1CE]

Can't wait to you come and play us Vice lol.

lol same here COCKfield see what i did there... i jk you r cool peeps

 

[Stockfield]

excuse stockfield

he no english

Haha yeah, I mexican and don't speaka good English.

But seriously though my English is great.

 

[TheLastCacely]

legit Tier list top 7 in order

Diddy
snake
Ic's
Mk
marth
wario
D3

 

[_Kadaj_]

Well when you space properly with Marth vs Ic's it's literally impossible for them to get a grab. Blizzard walls and ice block approaches aren't that great for them to make an attempt to close space vs him either. It's one of the reasons I don't play ic's anymore lmao

and Naturally counter picks would do Marth over vs Mk but banning brinstar would reduce that greatly. If mk is willing to cp to RC then he needs to know that Marth pretty much dominates the boat area of the stage, and also has the option to link into a death combo via the small wall being present the entire time. On the other transformations Marth simply just needs to stay under and or away from mk during those points. Based on the two character designs though I'd say it's 55/45. Marth pretty much does well on all the other stages, for stages where sharking is an available option Marth can spike him out of his up airs, at best spike flat out wins when spaced correctly and with a haphazzardly spaced dair they will trade which also = death for mk lol. Mk would have to be pretty dumb to want to cp halberd against Marth.
His best stages would be Frigate, and RC. Marth does pretty well on every stage, he can even lock off entire stage sections of frigate vs Mk so unless your spacing is top notch I wouldn't advise that too much either

 

[Stockfield]

I really think top 7 should be:

Metaknight
Falco
Snake
Diddy
Marth
Wario
Ice Climbers

No. 13 ROB

 

[stingers]

sacred 7, olimar, pika, ddd, zss imo are all better than rob
lucario prolly is too honestly
rob could be 13th

were gonna do it.

 

[V1CE]

Top 5 characters are

Falcon
Ganon
Zelda
Link
Samoooose

Yo WHO HERE IN HONOR OF THE STATE OF NC IS SEEING THE MOVIE "CATFISH" THIS WEEKEND!!!!

 

[Stockfield]

sacred 7, olimar, pika, ddd, zss imo are all better than rob
lucario prolly is too honestly
rob could be 13th

were gonna do it.

We got this man. We just have to find a way of beating fat *** penguin.

Edit: There is a movie called Catfish? Haha haven't heard about it.

 

[V1CE]

we got this man. We just have to find a way of beating fat *** penguin.

he is an eagle!!!!! I swear it

 

[Vinnie]

ROB is pretty ayuss, G&W is where it's at!

@Kadaj I think you underestimate MK a lot -.- He has 5 jumps and can usually escape most of your Combos. I agree that the match-up isn't that bad but, MK definitely has a solid advantage on Rainbow Cruise. A MK will probably never be spiked (other than gr dair), because you have 1 double jump and he has five. A MK can basically jump to the ledge every time he's hit to avoid being combo'd by Marth. He can reset any situation in this match-up that way. Whether dair beats uair or not, I can't see MK being spiked like that ._.

I'll take my stance as 6:4 but I respect your opinion of 55:45. Glad to know there's other people that think the match-up is actually very viable for Marth though. Marth's really solid.

 

[*CT*]

ROB is pretty ayuss, G&W is where it's at!

@Kadaj I think you underestimate MK a lot -.- He has 5 jumps and can usually escape most of your Combos. I agree that the match-up isn't that bad but, MK definitely has a solid advantage on Rainbow Cruise. A MK will probably never be spiked (other than gr dair), because you have 1 double jump and he has five. A MK can basically jump to the ledge every time he's hit to avoid being combo'd by Marth. He can reset any situation in this match-up that way. Whether dair beats uair or not, I can't see MK being spiked like that ._.

I'll take my stance as 6:4 but I respect your opinion of 55:45. Glad to know there's other people that think the match-up is actually very viable for Marth though. Marth's really solid.

I think its 6:4 as well :o it all matters too, worst it could be is 65:35.

 

[Cory.]

keith has nothing on my dad when it comes to trolling.. i swear someone just try talking to my dad on the internet

 

[TheLastCacely]

lol at all the nubs saying mk's the best. God get better at brawl you ****in scrubs.



edit: mekos putting in work at mlg. cant find the ones where he and NL ***** reflex and kismet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRHGGdRHSCc&feature=related

 

[_Kadaj_]

This I understand Vinnie, but in doing so he also gives up positional advantages. He definitely still has a clear advantage on RC. I was just stating some of the things that Marth has the option of doing on RC. Me and you both know that just avoiding sharking all together is one of the best ways to get around it lol but Marth is one of the few characters to have counter measures against sharking, dairing them while they try to up air from under say delfino is just a plus for us, it's not something that will drastically change the mu. Mk retreating after successive hits from Marth is something that is really common in the mu at high level play, in doing so they also lose stage control, eventually they run out of stage and revert to the ledge which Marth has arguably some of the best ledge traps in the game to keep opponents at bay for a pretty decent amount of time.

In short though I just wanted to shed a little light on what Marth is capable of doing vs MK

 

[*CT*]

x.x anyone wanna play Wifi at all tonight?

 

[Cory.]

This I understand Vinnie, but in doing so he also gives up positional advantages. He definitely still has a clear advantage on RC. I was just stating some of the things that Marth has the option of doing on RC. Me and you both know that just avoiding sharking all together is one of the best ways to get around it lol but Marth is one of the few characters to have counter measures against sharking, dairing them while they try to up air from under say delfino is just a plus for us, it's not something that will drastically change the mu. Mk retreating after successive hits from Marth is something that is really common in the mu at high level play, in doing so they also lose stage control, eventually they run out of stage and revert to the ledge which Marth has arguably some of the best ledge traps in the game to keep opponents at bay for a pretty decent amount of time.

In short though I just wanted to shed a little light on what Marth is capable of doing vs MK

dont give away too much boss

 

[V1CE]

lol at all the nubs saying mk's the best. God get better at brawl you ****in scrubs.



edit: mekos putting in work at mlg. cant find the ones where he and NL ***** reflex and kismet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRHGGdRHSCc&feature=related

um didnt they lose that match or did you want me to see something else?

 

[_Kadaj_]

lol I never do Cory, I have infinite secrets :D

 

[V1CE]

lol I never do Cory, I have infinite secrets :D

if u never do cory then who do you do??? what are these secrets?

 

[Vinnie]

This I understand Vinnie, but in doing so he also gives up positional advantages. He definitely still has a clear advantage on RC. I was just stating some of the things that Marth has the option of doing on RC. Me and you both know that just avoiding sharking all together is one of the best ways to get around it lol but Marth is one of the few characters to have counter measures against sharking, dairing them while they try to up air from under say delfino is just a plus for us, it's not something that will drastically change the mu. Mk retreating after successive hits from Marth is something that is really common in the mu at high level play, in doing so they also lose stage control, eventually they run out of stage and revert to the ledge which Marth has arguably some of the best ledge traps in the game to keep opponents at bay for a pretty decent amount of time.

In short though I just wanted to shed a little light on what Marth is capable of doing vs MK

I agree with this entire post except for Marth having a viable option to counter sharking... I just don't think dair is very practical in this match-up to counter sharking. Maybe it is practical. I'll take your word on it I guess. I agree with the stage control bit, but MK resets the situation when he gets to the ledge. I agree that Marth has one of the best ledge traps in the game, but MK is... MK. He can just... go to the other ledge! Or abuse his jumps, etc. Although I can understand that although MK has these options to return from the ledge to the stage, Marth still does indeed gains control of the situation, enough to take advantage of it.

Another debate in this match-up is MK's edgeguarding on Marth. Can't MK drop down nair when Marth up Bs? Also, Orion told me this: When Marth recovers with up b, you can drop off the ledge and tornado. It either puts Marth in a position to get daired or up B stage spiked, or it forces Marth to recover above the ledge iirc, where he has his up b landing lag when he lands, which can be used to get him back offstage. It was some crazy theory-crafting that he came up with, but it seemed pretty practical because he has pulled it off on Minty many times.

 

[Cory.]

I agree with this entire post except for Marth having a viable option to counter sharking... I just don't think dair is very practical in this match-up to counter sharking. Maybe it is practical. I'll take your word on it I guess. I agree with the stage control bit, but MK resets the situation when he gets to the ledge. I agree that Marth has one of the best ledge traps in the game, but MK is... MK. He can just... go to the other ledge! Or abuse his jumps, etc. Although I can understand that although MK has these options to return from the ledge to the stage, Marth still does indeed gains control of the situation, enough to take advantage of it.

Another debate in this match-up is MK's edgeguarding on Marth. Can't MK drop down nair when Marth up Bs? Also, Orion told me this: When Marth recovers with up b, you can drop off the ledge and tornado. It either puts Marth in a position to get daired or up B stage spiked, or it forces Marth to recover above the ledge iirc, where he has his up b landing lag when he lands, which can be used to get him back offstage. It was some crazy theory-crafting that he came up with, but it seemed pretty practical because he has pulled it off on Minty many times.

gonna have to stop you there


..get him out of here-

 

[_Kadaj_]

I'm not sure with the tornado because Marth's up b beats out his nado.

But if timed properly mk can nair him, the timing is extremely strict and very often than not the risk definitely isnt worth the reward. With proper DI Marth will go straight up and over the ledge as well, and considering he just up b'd without the marth player knowing he'll probably have DI'd up in the event the nair connected, it is also risky in a sense that if you mistime it your pretty much dead once past 40ish and they can trade as well so at higher percents your a lot more prone to dying from a stage spike.

Marth can also mess around with his stalling tatics to make it even harder to do.

 

[V1CE]

I swear he is not a spy!!!

 

[Vinnie]

Ahh I see. I mean, MK can just hold up so he doesn't get stage spiked, no? Also, can MK up b stage spike Marth's recovery? I know G&W can.

 

[stingers]

you can ledgetech walljump MK's tornado if he tries to do it when you're recovering and use invincibility frames to hit him with basically any aerial you want.

/techskill

 

[*CT*]

Counter/DS is all I have to say to naaaaado.