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Thanks. I guess I should play more aggressively then? Yeah, though a few of those dtilts were supposed to be dsmash, I learned my mistake with that. Perhaps I should use the cape for edgeguarding?
You want to play more aggressive, but calculated aggressive. And yes, you want to edgeguard with the cape, but not always. A good thing to do is grab the ledge and ledgehop a bair, nair or cape depending on the situation. a good time to use the cape is against firefox. but don't just do it when he's in the startup animation. wait for the fox to actually go somewhere with his up-b and then use the cape to send him flying in the opposite direction off stage.
Everything this guy said is right. From my experience, nairs work really well against the spacies, especially Falco. The Dtilt is pretty tricky too use, so I wouldn't use it often. The only time I would ever use it is if I want to knock my opponent off the stage if my back is facing the edge. You can also use it when your opponent is hanging on the ledge for a semi-spike of sorts (dunno if it always works), but use the dtilt sparingly. Another piece of advise: when you are fighting a space animal, make sure you pay attention to how they are recovering back on to the stage. Usually you will have a harder time predicting Fox, but nevertheless cape Fox/Falco's Fire Fox/Fire Bird for an easy kill and bair their Phantasms so you can gimp them. If you keep letting them get back on the stage, you're going to have a hard time killing them (especially fox, but any character really), so make sure you're more aggressive with how you edge guard in certain situations. My last piece of advise is to learn to approach better with short hop uair (see Shroomed) and nairs/bairs. Maybe even work on your JC grabs since that will help set up a lot of combos for you to punish with.
Dash dancing is super important, dash dancing effectively and smartly is pretty hard in my opinion but it pays off so much in the long run.
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I love that video so much, thank you for showing me it.
Are you trying to bair with C-stick or with A? It's significantly easier to use A, imo, but you lose some control in doing that. I'd say to start out using back+A and trying to use the C-stick later.
I'm using A for now, since I guessed it'd be easier. Holy moly, only 4 frames? So I have to bair while I'm in jumpsquat mode, huh? Tricky timing, though I'll get to work on it. Thank you.
Sorry, I probably worded that funny, but you don't have to bair while jumpsqatting (that will get you an empty jump). frames 1-4 are jumpsquat, and somewhere in frames 5-8 should be a bair. I believe.
Oh man, what an honor! Anyway, I've been trying to use the c-stick like you said. May you clarify how are you able to maintain DI with the c-stick as apposed to using A? Also, can you offer some examples of the advantages c-stick offers for general use, aside from faster smash attacks? I'd love to learn this. Thank you in advance.
I would think you should use whatever methods allow you to get the job done. For example with Marth, SH Fair is easier for me to do via stick + A rather than the C-stick. However, I do find SH Fair -> Bair/Dair/Uair easier by first doing the stick + a, then using the c-stick for the last aerial in the short hop.
With the analog-stick + A, you need to input a direction to do your aerial with the analog-stick, which is disruptive to your initial DI. With the C-stick, because you are using two separate sticks, you are leaving your DI (with the analog-stick) completely free to move in whatever direction. For example, once you get good at the SHBAWD going backwards, try going forward with it. You will see how much easier that is with the C-stick in comparison to if you were to use the analog-stick while trying to perform the forward SHBAWD. More examples would be basically every scenario where you can see that your character is moving in the opposite direction that his aerial requires the analog-stick to go in (moving backward with fair, moving downwards with uair, etc.)
I agree with using whatever methods allow you to get the job done and for the best results. When I first started, I used purely analog-stick as well because it was easier and it was what I was used to after playing for four or five years. Then, when my brothers and I first started competitive play, our mentors RockCrock and QueenDVS told us we should use the C-stick for our moves. This proved to be the most useful and objective way of using aerials and smash attacks after I learned how to use the C-stick. Later on, a friend of mine that mains Peach named exarch told me I should use the C-stick for my rolls. Again, once I learned this and stopped using my analog-stick to roll, this proved to be the best way to roll. However, there can be cases where players are just really good and can get the job done with the analog-stick or with whatever play-style they use. RockCrock and QueenDVS used the analog-stick to wave dash, so I see where you're coming from. Take players like Javi or Colbol. These players have tailored the claw-style of controller holding to be some of the best Fox players in SSBM history. People should use what is best for their play-style, conventional or not. Be that as it may, there is still an objective standard to use as a general guideline that has proven in the past to be the most successful.