can a hack become a tourney standard?

[NinjaFoxX]

this!
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=188479

alot of people complain about tripping,and its not like we can tell TOs what to run in their tourneys,but i feel this can add to the lack of competitiveness thats in brawl,idk if this will take off but what do you guys think?

 

[Vyse]

Counter Strike was a mod.
I think I remember reading that pro starcraft uses alot of custom maps for tourneys as well.

BUUUT, I don't think taking out tripping is worth hacking. If TO's want to run tourneys with hacked versions of the game, fine. But I don't think taking out tripping will suddenly make this a much more competitive game.

I can see situations where TO's might say 'We'll use the 'no trip' hack for say, finals matches, but it's unrealistic to expect everyone to hack their Wii just to disable tripping.

 

[cheap_josh]

I agree. (I would think) Most people aren't going to fork over extra money and spend time working the hack just so you don't trip. That's an awful lot of work for such a small reward. Then there's going to be all these inconsistencies where one guy has it and the other doesn't... it could be a mess.

Counter Strike was a mod.

What's that got to do with anything?

 

[NinjaFoxX]

a little thought: it would happen if there was a way to mod every wii with just one program,but only if it were public,and cost almost nothing.

 

[Vyse]

What's that got to do with anything?

I was just pointing out that while advocating mods for games can have enormous success on the one hand, It may not be the greatest idea for Brawl.

 

[Anth0ny]

There's usually 1 or 2 people with homebrew on their Wii's at all of the tournaments I attend...perhaps we could put this code on our Wii's and then when finals are happening we could just use a homebrew Wii and the tripless version of Brawl

I don't see it happening, but it would be cool. A little too much work.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

A hack won't be a tourney standard...trust me, I Got This!

 

[Revven]

A hack won't be a tourney standard...trust me, I Got This!

Who says they won't use it for finals though? Using it in finals sounds great actually!

 

[Johnthegalactic]

Who says they won't use it for finals though? Using it in finals sounds great actually!

That isn't fair to the people who didn't make it to the finals for they had to deal with tripping.
But, in the case that in the finals, the golden john, I tripped and that made me lose, is the case, a rematch could always be done.

 

[Sakki]

I agree. (I would think) Most people aren't going to fork over extra money and spend time working the hack just so you don't trip. That's an awful lot of work for such a small reward. Then there's going to be all these inconsistencies where one guy has it and the other doesn't... it could be a mess.


What's that got to do with anything?

The only 'cost' is an SD card, but anyone with a digital camera probably has an SD card. That's how i got mine... and also, it did take me a little while to figure everything out in the beginning, but if someone wanted me to set it up for them now, it'd only take maybe 5-10 minutes.

 

[Doggalina]

That isn't fair to the people who didn't make it to the finals for they had to deal with tripping.
But, in the case that in the finals, the golden john, I tripped and that made me lose, is the case, a rematch could always be done.

But the match could go completely differently. If you lose, it's like getting a free pass. Taking out tripping would remove all ambiguity.

 

[Ref]

Every player has an equal chance of tripping. You may have lost a stock to tripping but it's not unfair. The other player had the same chance of tripping when running to punish your forward smash. Unless some weird thing like player 4 trips more than others, chances are tripping will stay.

 

[CT Chia]

not at the moment, its too tough to have it on every system. down the road it may be possible. for now however im thinking about just using it for the grand finals matches

 

[Johnthegalactic]

not at the moment, its too tough to have it on every system. down the road it may be possible. for now however im thinking about just using it for the grand finals matches

If we get a ninja to force Sakurai to patch the game down the road, it will be possible, all ninjas take one step forward please.....
ph00tbag had an idea, deciding it could be permited if both parties agree to use it in their match.

 

[ph00tbag]

I don't think my idea is really my idea. It's been hinted at by several people, including Hylian and the guy whom I responded to.

The primary issue, and it is a valid concern, is where does the hacking end? I think that's the major question that the community (or maybe just the SBR) needs to resolve before anything is set in stone. Personally, I think no tripping is the only tolerable hack that could ever be made for this game. This is because I find tripping to be the only intolerable aspect of the shelf version of the game.

It's been said there are several things that are far more broken than tripping, which should be considered if tripping is considered, but I think that focuses on the wrong aspect of the mechanic.

My issue with tripping is not it's effect on the metagame. If it were possible to control when I tripped and thus avoid it 100% of the time, then hey, I'd be perfectly happy with it. It would punish imprecise movement. But that's not what it does. Basically, tripping is wholly and entirely a malicious attempt by the designers of Brawl to piss on those who would play their game to win. It is the only aspect of the game that does this, irreversibly and unwaveringly. Essentially, I'm all for the use of this particular hack because it says that the consumer doesn't have to be pissed on without pissing back.

But that only justifies my own use of it, and it displays my bias, which is really the primary reason that I find use of the hack in a competitive environment permissible. Without tripping, we see what Brawl could have been if Sakurai didn't feel the need to completely alienate a subset of his consumers, and that's fine with me. Any other hack would change that vision, which is why I don't agree with them.

I don't see this becoming a universal standard, but I think it's an excellent compromise to allow the use of the no tripping hack, and no other, if both involved parties are willing.

Of course, the final decision belongs to the SBR, but I would hope that this is the compromise they come to. Because tripping really is ****ed up.

 

[popsofctown]

sounds good^^

 

[game set]

can a hack become a tourney standard?

I was just on my way to post about starting a moveset swap/normal melee biweekly, and I saw this post. The way I see it, the people interested are the ones who will decide the standard. Each person contributes to the whole concensus, along with countless situational variables, and everything we dont know about. Someday we will know what the future standard will be, but we have only to push our opinion and wait to see the conclusion.

personally, after playing melee I couldn't get into brawl's unbalanced nature and random tripping. But I would probably start practicing with this out, normally I just want to play melee when i see myself faceplant.

 

[TKD]

How about hacking MK so he doesn't have his tornado? Make him do his downB if you press neutral B, or a taunt or something. Or (sounds harder though) massively lower the tornado's priority. Now THAT would make Brawl much more competitive. Or at least diverse. That move alone breaks the game.

 

[ChaosKnight]

How about hacking MK so he doesn't have his tornado? Make him do his downB if you press neutral B, or a taunt or something. Or (sounds harder though) massively lower the tornado's priority. Now THAT would make Brawl much more competitive. Or at least diverse. That move alone breaks the game.

This is why we cant have nice things ^^ -.- you are way off topic so why did you honestly post this i see no reason at all on this thread that you had the idea of posting this and it would be fine

you sir are a blind **** -.-


On topic: i agree with chibo maybe later more and more people will get the no tripping code.

 

[True Fool]

Removing tripping, super. If my tourney said, "Hey, we modded all our Wiis to remove tripping." I definitely wouldn't be complaining.

But if everyone started making their own weird mods on the game, where Meta-Knight is in the Roll-tier, and that kinda stuff, it gets out of hand.

Now, the other way, I could find hacking the game acceptable, is if our trustworthy smash officials did it. If they came out with a revision of the game, and had tourneys test it, I could be all for playing SSBB; Hyper Fighting Edition(SF reference nubs).

Of course they don't have to nerf every character every month someone complains about it, but if they decided to do an annual revision, give so-and-so a little more priority so G&W/ect stops ****** him, make this easy death combo(just an example) not so effective, sure.

Homebrew channel and an SD card are not difficult things to come by. IF, big if there, they decide to do something like this, it would not be difficult to obtain, so at the very least don't let that be the deciding factor of your opinion on this. Not to mention that it's less money then when we all bought SF2 Turbo edition so Sagat would stop ****** at tourneys.

 

[Leech]

It was a good hack, but tripping is part of brawl and tournaments could take it out but might not.. for reasons like diddys bananas if it was a hack idk if they would make you trip they might.. if not it shouldn't be in tournaments becuase that is unfair for diddy players and tripping is completely fair.