C4 fake plant (with directions on how to do it AND NOW A VIDEO)

[Deadlypudding]

I searched around the forum and checked a couple pages but couldn't find anything on this.

Its something I noticed while setting up c4 mines. If you try to plant C4 right before you land, it will make the sound but no mine will be planted. I'm having trouble getting the exact frame down, so it may be just a bit before I have a video (and it will be kinda bad quality since I don't have a capture card/device and just a video camera). Also because I can't get the exact frame yet, I haven't been able to gauge its effectiveness in a real fight. It seems like it should be useful since it could really put your opponent on edge if they think an area is mined that isn't. Coincidently, you can also do a fake detonate in the same manner to further confuse and outsmart your opponent.

As I said I will upload a video as soon as I can get it somewhat down.

EDIT: I'm still going to get a video together, but I now have a relatively simple way to do the fake plant. Simply jump once and hold down though not to fast-fall. As you are about to land hit B and it should make the click sound and partial animation.

Further testing also seems to indicate that it is not possible to fake detonate, though it can be cancelled if you are hit during the animation. If there is some way to cancel the detonation without taking damage it is done differently than fake planting is.

ANOTHER EDIT: I found another interesting thing that happened when I jumped next to an enemy and was close enough to stick a C4. I tried to do this and Snake stuck his hand out with a C4 in it as if he was going to stick, but no sound was made and the mine did not stick either. Doesn't seem to useful since you must be really close, and your opponent would have to be braindead. Still it may point to there being a fake sticky plant.

VIDEO EDIT: I now have the video on youtube, its filmed off of a handheld camera so its not great. If anyone has any suggestions for another site with better quality uploads please share that info.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWR6XHBKPwA

 

[rigapeen]

nice find. too bad c4's are clearly visible

 

[Jeff Highwind]

Yea, even if it makes it takes a split second to actually check if it got planted. If you can do a fake plant on a person though then that would've been one hell of an impressive find.

 

[abit_rusty]

Yea, even if it makes it takes a split second to actually check if it got planted. If you can do a fake plant on a person though then that would've been one hell of an impressive find.

I MAY have done that. But it was a real plant lol. Let me explain. I was facing a zelda on melee's pokemon stadium, and when I decided to plant a C4 in one of her lag times, Snake did a motion to plant it on the ground. So I thought, hm darn missed. Didn't even check the ground. A few seconds later, I decided I want to "move" the planted C4. I hit down+b and boom went Zelda, definitely not standing where I did the planting animation.

Incidentally this was Zelda was my friend and I was talking to him on the phone, and he and I both agreed we thought Snake planted it on the ground. I might just have this match recorded...but I'd have to look for it in my replays lol.

 

[SirPsychoMantis]

I have done this several times accidentally. For me it usually happens when I have a lot of downward momentum and I go to plant the C4 before I hit the ground. I might test it out trying to do it intentionally and see how difficult it is, could be great for mindgames once your enemies start listening for the *click*.

 

[rigapeen]

can mines on teh ground be transfered to players? seems like its a no but if it is possible then that would explain it

 

[Jeff Highwind]

can mines on teh ground be transfered to players? seems like its a no but if it is possible then that would explain it

No it doesnt. Even if it falls from midair it wont stay. You have to stand point-blank and Snake has to do his "kung fu sticky" pose for it to take.

 

[Cho?]

i've experienced the "fake" plant before too. my friend was sonic and while i was falling i thought i planted a C4, but when i tried to detonate it wasn't even there. i feel like snake has the best chance of inherit glitches that can really make his play even more sneaky i.e. his invincibility cromslide

 

[Sudai]

I think the fake detonation would be much more useful than a fake plant. Should probably research more into that than the fake plant.

 

[shadowserpant00]

I MAY have done that. But it was a real plant lol. Let me explain. I was facing a zelda on melee's pokemon stadium, and when I decided to plant a C4 in one of her lag times, Snake did a motion to plant it on the ground. So I thought, hm darn missed. Didn't even check the ground. A few seconds later, I decided I want to "move" the planted C4. I hit down+b and boom went Zelda, definitely not standing where I did the planting animation.

Incidentally this was Zelda was my friend and I was talking to him on the phone, and he and I both agreed we thought Snake planted it on the ground. I might just have this match recorded...but I'd have to look for it in my replays lol.

you put it ON zelda
it can land on their head, but if they move too much it falls off

 

[rigapeen]

one trick i thought would be awesome would be a fake plant when a mine is already placed. applies to the proxy mine really, and i think its impossible cause immediately after you press down smash the existing mine fizzles. oh well.

 

[SirPsychoMantis]

one trick i thought would be awesome would be a fake plant when a mine is already placed. applies to the proxy mine really, and i think its impossible cause immediately after you press down smash the existing mine fizzles. oh well.

This trick only applies to C4, no way to fake plant the down smash. You cannot fake plant if there is already C4 down.

 

[Invalid]

Now how about that fake grenade throw? *cough cough psychomidget*

 

[LukewarmHoliday]

yeah the fake plant actually killed me a few times because most of my sticks come from midair(trying to break that habit because with quick aireal players that really puts me at a disadvantage >.>)

 

[bman in 2288]

I MAY have done that. But it was a real plant lol. Let me explain. I was facing a zelda on melee's pokemon stadium, and when I decided to plant a C4 in one of her lag times, Snake did a motion to plant it on the ground. So I thought, hm darn missed. Didn't even check the ground. A few seconds later, I decided I want to "move" the planted C4. I hit down+b and boom went Zelda, definitely not standing where I did the planting animation.

Incidentally this was Zelda was my friend and I was talking to him on the phone, and he and I both agreed we thought Snake planted it on the ground. I might just have this match recorded...but I'd have to look for it in my replays lol.

Eh, happened to me too. Apparently, if you're far enough, or close enough (but not looking in the right direction) Snake will appear to plant the C4 on the ground, but actually plant it on the other person.

However, because of how hard it is to stick someone, this technique, if it can even be called a technique, is not really useful.

 

[Deadlypudding]

I think the fake detonation would be much more useful than a fake plant. Should probably research more into that than the fake plant.

As I put in the OP fake detonation can only be achieved through being damaged while detonating. I'm not saying its impossible to do it otherwise, but it doesn't seem likely at this point and may require more work that might make it unusable.

 

[Buuman]

On note of what shadow said, the C4 actually falls off over time, it has absolutely nothing to do with them moving, they can stand still and it will still fall off over the same period of time, the fake plant may have its uses IF THE VOLUME IS HIGH ENOUGH! xD
But other than that its near useless, in order to do the fake plant, you need to press down B when you're just above the ground, not right before you land, just a bit before that

 

[Deadlypudding]

...IF THE VOLUME IS HIGH ENOUGH! xD...

In general or is that a joke at the video lol? Yes I know its not that loud. I'll see about fixing it and making it louder. Anyway, I know its kind of useless, but against anyone who listens for the C4 more than watching then it adds to mindgames.

 

[DanGR]

why does everyone in this forum use RED?? to outline a specific detail?

 

[Deadlypudding]

HWy are you asking an irrelevant question in a topic where no one did this is any post?

 

[AlAxe]

This is interesting yet utterly useless

 

[Deadlypudding]

I want to make a final point about this since it seemed to get dragged back out for no reason.

Its bassically useless without the ability to:

1. Fake plant on your opponent. Though I've actually seen this happen (a time that wasn't in the video), it is hardly practical and was most likely a fluke.

2. The ability to do a fake detonation. This would be much more useful then making your opponent think you planted a c4 pack when all they have to do is actually look. Scaring your opponent into thinking you're about to blow the c4 is far more useful.

3. Be in any way pratical to do without looking foolish. The timing of the fake plant is slim, and you couldn't jump around all the time acting like you're planting c4, its just silly.

4. The fact that you can do it without meaning to can mess you up for a split second. Any loss of concentration is never good. And even if you did it on prurpose, trying to plant another completely destroys the illusion anyway.

However, I do want to mention that there is at least one application I noticed with this in my final analysis. You can perform it when you are landing from an ariel move or recovery or what have you, which in some instances might throw your opponent off for a moment. And if they are really dense, then they may actually avoid the area where you landed without actually inspecting it (though if this is the case then you would never need this trick in order to beat an opponent like that).

Final verdict: At worst its useless. At best its very very very situational.

To Rusty's post below mine: Amen!

 

[abit_rusty]

I want to make a final point about this since it seemed to get dragged back out for no reason.

Its bassically useless without the ability to:

1. Fake plant on your opponent. Though I've actually seen this happen (a time that wasn't in the video), it is hardly practical and was most likely a fluke.

2. The ability to do a fake detonation. This would be much more useful then making your opponent think you planted a c4 pack when all they have to do is actually look. Scaring your opponent into thinking you're about to blow the c4 is far more useful.

3. Be in any way pratical to do without looking foolish. The timing of the fake plant is slim, and you couldn't jump around all the time acting like you're planting c4, its just silly.

4. The fact that you can do it without meaning to can mess you up for a split second. Any loss of concentration is never good. And even if you did it on prurpose, trying to plant another completely destroys the illusion anyway.

However, I do want to mention that there is at least one application I noticed with this in my final analysis. You can perform it when you are landing from an ariel move or recovery or what have you, which in some instances might throw your opponent off for a moment. And if they are really dense, then they may actually avoid the area where you landed without actually inspecting it (though if this is the case then you would never need this trick in order to beat an opponent like that).

Final verdict: At worst its useless. At best its very very very situational.

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