Bust a Move/Puzzle Bobble Mafia..... GAME OVER!

[BarDulL]

Couldn't sleep. Guess I can post some thoughts.

If you guys want some more persuasive reasoning for rakescum, go reread D2. Rake was on Kantrip, because he knew he had shot him the night before, and he didn't die. He made that reachy case so he could lynch Kantrip and earn town points. Since we didn't lynch him, he wanted him out of the way and he finished him off. It completely explains why he was so certain about Kantrip one minute, then he completely backed down when he realized he had no real evidence to back it up. He even called himself a scumbag! GG

This is exactly what I was thinking about. Rake's exchange with Kantrip was weird in that Rake's sudden change to his scumKantrip read, specifically IndyKantrip, made pretty much no sense; Rake didn't really have a base for it. It's funny because Kantrip ASKED Rake if Rake was a vigilante, and my guess is that Kantrip suspected Rake shot him due to the fact that Kantrip was hit (I'm assuming as much because Kantrip was killed during N2, which means scum had to have hit him on N1). No one else seemed to have turned to Kantrip, so Rake seems like the obvious suspect.

Vote: Rake

 

[BarDulL]

Still don't like JD though. Ugh. RR slot is also closely connected to 194, but he's claiming protective.

My preferred lynch route so far is Rake/JD > Riddle > RR > Tako/Joker at the moment. Riddle hasn't missed a beat, Tako/Joker are more or less cleared off their claims, Rake/JD are definitely the most scummy, RR is claiming protective.

BTW, RR did not claim Jailer, he claimed a "protective role." We don't need him to out this information for the time being.

 

[BarDulL]

I might be giving RR too quick of a pass though, but I feel like there should definitely be a protective in this set up. Would like to hear thoughts w.r.t. how to approach RR's slot from Rake/JD/Riddle.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Like I said, we're only down 1 townie so far. We've still got some room for error. Even if we've got more than one possible target in mind, we just need to pick the most informative targets, and cross our fingers. If we mislynch, we move on from there. We got this.

I'm not very fond of a JD lynch, I definitely prefer Rake at this point. I keep wanting to suspect you, BarDulL, but I can't shake the feeling that it's just paranoia. With Rake it's been the other way around. I keep wanting him to be town, but I can't shake the scummy feeling. As for JD... I honestly feel he was just being derpy. In fact, I wanna hear him weigh in on Rake.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm too legit, too legit to quit.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, totally forgot about Vinyl. He's way in the back with the mason kids.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I frackin knew kantrip was an indy.

Screw you bardull and kantrip with your ballsing "kantrip indy makes no sense"

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, i'm not a vig nor scum and i never shot kantrip, it was a gambit to see why he was role fishing so hard. That's why i worded my responses to him with so much wifom.

Also, biggest indy tell ever was kantrip was the one who brought up an indy with a BP IIRC how did you guys go "Oh, kantrip brings up random guess on what the mod would do with an indy outa nowhere, seems legit"

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, i fracking called kantrip sitting on Ryu, and it turns out that my hunch about kantrip was right. I remember JD saying something like indyKantrip sat on Ryu because he had made the decision to take him and basically the same thought had occurred to me.

Also, joker's case is reachy and he should try harder.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, biggest indy tell ever was kantrip was the one who brought up an indy with a BP IIRC how did you guys go "Oh, kantrip brings up random guess on what the mod would do with an indy outa nowhere, seems legit"

And in fact it was kantrip doing most of the selling on the indy having a BP.
He prolly claimed jailer because i had mentioned before how much more sense a jailer would make.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Damn, you raise a good point. I really hope (but also doubt) that the abductor has FULL BP, it's most likely one-shot.



However, this puts Rake back in my sights. It's possible he came in with gusto and led town D1 to look really pro-town and ride it out, and then absorbed a shot in the Night and is now going to stop being super pro-town now that his protection is gone. This is just wild speculation and him not being here is more likely just happenstance, but thanks for reminding me of that regardless.

Nice try kantrip but this was grimey as hell.
Going back to find the other BP thing now.

Underlined:
He actually based suspicion on my slot by trying to "outguess" (even though we now know he knew) that there was a BP

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I'm also ruling out Bardull as Abductor, and I'd say Rake too but that's only based on his D1 presence. An indy wouldn't want to be seen as a driving force or be viewed as too pro-town because then they're a scum kill target.

Watch closely now....

That's a good point, actually. Abductors do tend to have a one-shot or perma-BP, if not more indies.

@Jdietz: Yeah, that's what I assumed at first.

Alright, kantrip wasn't the first, but he definitely bit into it a lot harder with this post following tako's

Damn, you raise a good point. I really hope (but also doubt) that the abductor has FULL BP, it's most likely one-shot.

The thing with Bardull is that he had Vinyl claim doc and say "I am protecting Bardull". Unless Vinyl is scum and sent the shot to Bardull, I doubt scum would've risked it.

However, this puts Rake back in my sights. It's possible he came in with gusto and led town D1 to look really pro-town and ride it out, and then absorbed a shot in the Night and is now going to stop being super pro-town now that his protection is gone. This is just wild speculation and him not being here is more likely just happenstance, but thanks for reminding me of that regardless.

18 posts later.
Nice 180 bro sounds like a accurate description.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, i said yesterday that Kantrip would die / be abducted regardless because of his jailer claim, why as scum would i then go out and kill him ? Having him gone is a ridiculous reach because I was already saying early yesterday Kantrip was going to die or possibly abducted and by killing him i would be begging for a garbage truck full of wifom thrown at me, So that point by joker is not even worth the characters it was written in.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

so Rake seems like the obvious suspect.

Vote: Rake

Think about this and then tell me if i am too easy a suspect.
Also, your going to have to do better than buddying Joker's reachy case.

Why am i scum bardull ? What about my play beyond this "obvious choice" makes you feel i am aligned with 194 ? What happened to your read on me from before ? Did it go out the window because I am the obvious suspect ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

BSP i've seen you viewing, i want your thoughts, am i scum for being right about Kantrip ?, am i scum at all ?, if not, who are your scumSuspects for toDay ?

 

[BSP]

No at the first question. I thought your indyKantrip case made some sense.

I don't think Rake is scum

We still need to look at RR, and we need to make a decision whether or not Jdietz was being derp or slipped up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I interact with the night kill, so I am a protective in a sense.

I can't see why Kantrip would claim jailer unless he knew my role, while it doesn't CC him it does put him on the spot light if I was around.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Now I remember about Bardull and what bugged me about him off a reread.

Vote: Bardull

Explain your Day 1 fake claim and what you were trying to do with it. You never explained reads you got from it and why if that was thew reason, you never explained why you did it and what it helped town do.

I can only see scum doing it right now to make everyone not even take an eye nor question directed at you.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Ryu, what happened to your read on Riddle ?
BSP same question and why did you frop off from your small suspicions beyond JD becoming the topic de jour.

RR, you say you interact with the kill, i want you to consider /remember that whoever you protected would be innocent , conversely if your some sort of rediretor / roleblocker then who ever you redirected would be mafia, seeing mafia clearly hit (whether by design or accident ) Kantrip N1

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Vote: Riddle

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, i find it more likely Kantrip was painting JD as scummier than what was actually apparent in order to get a easy lynch + another abduction under his belt. So my JD suspicion is there , but at the same time it's wavering due to how much Kantrip wanted JD(which is arguably a null tell but in the context o the last day it is worth re-considering).

Also, kantrip made a dumb choice claiming doc and gambling on us hitting scum off vinyl's results , what it falls down to is kantrip gambled in a dumb way when he supported orbo going when he was the fake animal. It might have been kantrip being cocky and hoping to nab possible last scum , but he failed to realize that usually indies to my recollection resolve last and he failed to realize that ML'ing would make him scums top pick , whether or not they actually targetted him or were effected in some way to which their night kill resolved to him. Claiming jailer , unless he wasn't informed he had been shot (which is unlikely because when you have a BP and you get hit, you are to my best knowledge informed of this) was actually absorbing a NK.

 

[BSP]

Ryu, what happened to your read on Riddle ?
BSP same question and why did you frop off from your small suspicions beyond JD becoming the topic de jour.

I'm assuming you're talking about Riddle. I haven't dropped my suspicions of him, but RR is back, and I did say I would like to look into RR more upon his return, and JDietz did have some holes that were noticeable.

Also, i find it more likely Kantrip was painting JD as scummier than what was actually apparent in order to get a easy lynch + another abduction under his belt. So my JD suspicion is there , but at the same time it's wavering due to how much Kantrip wanted JD(which is arguably a null tell but in the context o the last day it is worth re-considering).

I think it's a null tell. As Indy, Kantrip wouldn't know who exactly the scum team is. I think he was just going for the easy mislynch.

 

[BSP]

Now I remember about Bardull and what bugged me about him off a reread.

Vote: Bardull

Explain your Day 1 fake claim and what you were trying to do with it. You never explained reads you got from it and why if that was thew reason, you never explained why you did it and what it helped town do.

I can only see scum doing it right now to make everyone not even take an eye nor question directed at you.

If you're this curious about Bardull's gambit, why didn't you push it more towards the later end of D1? You did a little bit, but then you just backed off and went on the current direction. I made a post about it. (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14896123&postcount=855)

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

BSP, why do you think RR is scum ?

In addition i would like to address why as scum he would:

1) come in and immediately claim protective
2) why kantrip would go out of his way to spread so much ryu scum wifom after abducting him + possibly seeing his role.

Other things i want from you:
3) full reason for riddle suspicion especially how you came to it
4) you said a read he gave on you could apply to him, how is his playing in the shadows indicative of alignment and does he fit with scum94 ?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Because he refused to answer when I called him out on it and it would have been a waste of time to butt heads at that point.

 

[Orboknown]

go town.
(gl y'all0

 

[BSP]

I'll get to that Rake.

RR, how would it have been a waste of time? You're asking him about it now. You could have pushed him harder and possibly gotten something D1.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wasn't worth it, Bardull is too head strong and wouldn't back down from me pushing it, this is what I know from playing with him in the past. Bardull needs leverage when he won't cooperate at times.

I was hoping that I'd be around to call him out on it again on Day 2, since I thought a fresh day would have been better even more so with a clear lynch we had. With a fresh ay more people would question it, even more so why he wouldn't shoot the obvious shot.

That and set-up analysis would tell anyone masons with a day vig is very very unlikely.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

day vig in general is to my understanding frowned upon

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Even more so with what happened in Mario Party 2 mafia.

 

[BarDulL]

RR, do you think I'm scum for claiming Vig?

(getting a sense of dejavu here).

 

[Vinylic.]

Oh god.


Lololololololololololol.

 

[BarDulL]

Me fakeclaiming Vigilante and getting 194 lynched for it was pretty damn smexy and pro-town if you asked me.

I did it so that I could have thread control and threaten some of the newer players into complying with me (i.e. Tako). I didn't feel like upholding the gambit any further after day 1 shenanigans were done with. JD/RR/Rake/Kantrip would not respond to being shot at.

Secondly, Rake, your case on Kantrip was complete bull ****. You were reaching extremely hard AND YOU WERE TRYING TO CONNECT HIM TO 194 AND RED RYU. LOL. How does that make sense? Independents CAN'T BE CONNECTED TO ANYONE.

 

[Vinylic.]

Current census moderation:
2 Dragons: Joker and SneakyTako
2 Animals: Me and Bardull
1 Machine: Rake
4 Humans: BSP, Riddle, RR, JDietz

Current lookout for indies from my PoV would now be:
Humans and Machines

 

[BarDulL]

Also, i'm not a vig nor scum and i never shot kantrip, it was a gambit to see why he was role fishing so hard. That's why i worded my responses to him with so much wifom.

Also, biggest indy tell ever was kantrip was the one who brought up an indy with a BP IIRC how did you guys go "Oh, kantrip brings up random guess on what the mod would do with an indy outa nowhere, seems legit"

Ok no, this is the last straw. You said you were gambit'ing earlier as "intentionally playing anti-town" so that people would attack you, but wtf? Why would you do this? You're only giving people a legitimate excuse to attack you, that's not good scum hunting at all. You're just trying to backpedal your way out of ****ing yourself.

 

[BarDulL]

Then there's the going along with the Vinyl mass claim and immediately complying...w-t-f. Now you're trying to say you gambit'd with Kantrip? Rake, you're just trying to save your own ***, lol. It's bull ****.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yes because you still have not explained why you did it, there is only one reason I can see you doing that and it's the same thing Zen gets lynch for.

 

[BarDulL]

Yes because you still have not explained why you did it, there is only one reason I can see you doing that and it's the same thing Zen gets lynch for.

Uh, you're joking, right? Tell me where you see the scum intent in what I did.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Me fakeclaiming Vigilante and getting 194 lynched for it was pretty damn smexy and pro-town if you asked me.

I did it so that I could have thread control and threaten some of the newer players into complying with me (i.e. Tako). I didn't feel like upholding the gambit any further after day 1 shenanigans were done with. JD/RR/Rake/Kantrip would not respond to being shot at.

Secondly, Rake, your case on Kantrip was complete bull ****. You were reaching extremely hard AND YOU WERE TRYING TO CONNECT HIM TO 194 AND RED RYU. LOL. How does that make sense? Independents CAN'T BE CONNECTED TO ANYONE.

So pretty much exactly what I thought, you took thread control without any credibility at the time to convince players to go where you wanted them to, sounds like Zen.

Please die.

 

[BarDulL]

^That doesn't make me scum. You're reaching hard on me being scum when I was entirely pro-town with the vig claim. Just because I lied doesn't immediately make me scum, RR. You're reaching the exact same way Kantrip is reaching and it will only get you lynched if you pursue that line of thinking.