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EC_Joey

EC_Joey

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Marth for the chaingrabs, Falco for the onslaught of lasers and pillars.
 
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technomancer

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TOBIYA said:
which character do you have most trouble beating?
for me, i'd say samus or marth.

please list why you have trouble too.
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Samus: Upsmash a lot, watch out for that up-B, laser spam when safe and keep position under a safe platform or on top of the top platform where it's easier to recover. When recovering, get some god**** invulnerability from the ledge before you try anything stupid and don't just fly at her, that's ftilt city.

Marth: Use your speed and keep the spacing tight, combo off of an N-air into an upsmash and go from there. Run up and shield is solid against Marth if you know how to use it. Don't get hit off the stage, **** you M2K for tripling the gayness of edge guarding.

Marth for the chaingrabs, Falco for the onslaught of lasers and pillars.
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Don't get grabbed, son! Learn your shield techs against Falco to a T and you'll be safe from Pillaring. Nair off of a platform and get ON that mofo so he can't jump on you like a trampoline. Don't shoot lasers, that's dumb unless he wants to play spam games.

I'm not much of a Fox, but I have trouble with Doc xD
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Get your grabs in off of an aerial and upthrow to Backair him off the side, and just keep backairing him sideways. SH out and shine turn backair to side-b recovery is CASH MONEY. Take him to Yoshi's and show him how awesome your upsmash is every time he tries to jump.

jiggly gives me plenty of trouble.
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Eww a marshalade! Get it off me. Don't get hit, why get hit it's obvious that he's going to backair, n-air or whatever, don't roll towards him ever, and occasionally, upsmash it in the face. Guess what? God invented lasers for a reason, and that reason is Jigglypuff.

Falcon. Nuff said. He's my most bitter enemy
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Grabcombos and N-airs are all you need. Get better at tech-chasing and just upsmash combo him all over. Edgehop N-air forever ftw.

Falcos and shieks....I just have a very hard time beating these two :ohwell:
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Land on Shiek, don't let sheik land on you. Lasers are good. Don't get gayed. Don't jump predictably (#1 way to get gay'd). Use your mind games off the side, and when she recovers, just edgehop downsmash her until upsmash is appropriate then do that.
 
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TOBIYA

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technomancer said:
Samus: Upsmash a lot, watch out for that up-B, laser spam when safe and keep position under a safe platform or on top of the top platform where it's easier to recover. When recovering, get some god**** invulnerability from the ledge before you try anything stupid and don't just fly at her, that's ftilt city.

Marth: Use your speed and keep the spacing tight, combo off of an N-air into an upsmash and go from there. Run up and shield is solid against Marth if you know how to use it. Don't get hit off the stage, **** you M2K for tripling the gayness of edge guarding.


Don't get grabbed, son! Learn your shield techs against Falco to a T and you'll be safe from Pillaring. Nair off of a platform and get ON that mofo so he can't jump on you like a trampoline. Don't shoot lasers, that's dumb unless he wants to play spam games.


Get your grabs in off of an aerial and upthrow to Backair him off the side, and just keep backairing him sideways. SH out and shine turn backair to side-b recovery is CASH MONEY. Take him to Yoshi's and show him how awesome your upsmash is every time he tries to jump.


Eww a marshalade! Get it off me. Don't get hit, why get hit it's obvious that he's going to backair, n-air or whatever, don't roll towards him ever, and occasionally, upsmash it in the face. Guess what? God invented lasers for a reason, and that reason is Jigglypuff.


Grabcombos and N-airs are all you need. Get better at tech-chasing and just upsmash combo him all over. Edgehop N-air forever ftw.


Land on Shiek, don't let sheik land on you. Lasers are good. Don't get gayed. Don't jump predictably (#1 way to get gay'd). Use your mind games off the side, and when she recovers, just edgehop downsmash her until upsmash is appropriate then do that.
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:] good advice
 
QUIVO

QUIVO

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Easily my worst match up is Peach. I try laser camping and it doesn't work, I try attacking it doesn't work, I get dsmashed all over the place. Second worst is probably Falco.
 
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TOBIYA

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QUIVO said:
Easily my worst match up is Peach. I try laser camping and it doesn't work, I try attacking it doesn't work, I get dsmashed all over the place. Second worst is probably Falco.
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i have a bit of touble with peach too. what pisses me off the most iswhen she floats back to the stage.
theres one solution. the tobiya. [uair]
 
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Worst vs. Shiek and Marth, followed closely by Falco and Peach

With Shiek, I try a lot to not get gimped by ledgeguarding, and I usually go for drillshine -> WD grab -> Uthrow -> Utilts -> Uairs or some variation to get to the grab... watch for Dsmash, and don't dodge towards her often

Marth: CGs... we hate them lol... Uairs are your friend in this matchup, but be careful in your approach... shines will also help if they don't expect it

Falco: Pillars, Dthrows, etc... don't give them room to breathe if they're laser camping, but don't be baited because Falcos will wait for you to approach and try and punish... Dthrow -> Dsmash = gay, so figure out what they're doing after Dthrow and counter appropriately... if they regrab often, shine, if they're attacking, shield, etc... gimping shines are great

Peach: Don't get grabbed, and don't get Dsmashed... and all other gay Peach combos... learn to waveshine or drillshine, and use Uthrows a lot followed by Uair or Bair (depending on DI)... don't be too aggressive on ledgeguarding, killing her when she lands with a Usmash is much more effective than just hitting her far away with a Nair...

That's what I do against my hard matchups, or go Shiek XD
 
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straight8

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I don't find marth hard. It's how you play against him. Watch Pc chris play against marth, that seriously helped me.

Hardest: doc, falco. Falco can combo you like crazy, and falco controls the pace of the match with his lasers. and you can't combo doc at all, so you just have to get in little hits then attack again.

And peach, cause I hate peach.
 
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supersonicdjs

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Mewtwo, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf.

Mewtwo because he can use Shadow Ball and teleport, Ganondorf because he's a clone of Captain Falcon because he is moron, and Captain Falcon because he comes at you unexpectedly. Plus, they all have quick attacks.
 
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Harbl

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supersonicdjs said:
Mewtwo, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf.

Mewtwo because he can use Shadow Ball and teleport, Ganondorf because he's a clone of Captain Falcon because he is moron, and Captain Falcon because he comes at you unexpectedly. Plus, they all have quick attacks.
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what's wrong with mewto's shadow ball and teleport? shadow ball is so pathetically slow you won't get hit unless it's point blank and you don't move or you could just shine it. And teleport? i mean hell. i walk faster than him teleporting, forget running.

Captain Falcon, on the other hand, is indeed an *** when it comes to playing him with fox, but he seems rather easily shine spiked to me, ganondorf's even easier. Of course if you're at a rather high percentage, trying to shine spike either under the level is pretty much asking to die. They're up+b will f*ck you up so bad and you'll bounce off teh bottom of the map to your death, even if they don't make it back up.

Falco: He's a *****. However, if you get him off the edge and you're good with shine, it's over for him. I usually just choose to throw/kick him off and wait for his recovery at the edge. Depending on where he is, i'll either hold down and wait or just continuously short hop. Then it's just a matter of how good your timing with the shine is, cuz if you get it right just once, it'll usually be over. If you're really good with your timing, Falco's recoveries are gonna screw him over so badly. Don't jump out after him though, cuz if you miss, his side B spikes does tend to bite you in the *** for missing. Just thought i'd share...
 
kennypoopoo

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Hey Im a pretty solid fox i think but my buddys fox and falco are two much to deal with he can pillar like a mofo with falco and his lasers with both are pretty pro and his wavedash and shine combos are too much to deal with and everytime i manage to take a stock im usually at a high percent and he runs at my with his invincibility and upsmash out of his dash I could probably go on for an hour why i hate playing those two but ill save you guys some reading and just say it sucks :p
 
Charlesz

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My worse match ups with fox are

Peach - Chaingrabs, D-smash and n-air. Need I say more?

Falco- Pillars, lasers etc etc
 
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