Best Buy Demo Discussion - What do you think of Bowser in Smash 4?

[JayJay584]

So excited. This could be the first Smash where Yoshi, Bowser, and Mario can be mid tier and beyond.

 

[ChillerDuu]

I honestly had no idea we had so many Bowser players in hiding.

I've just recently been interested in Bowser. If anything, he was my least favorite character in Smash Brothers since he looked as clunky and slow as he played. I've always been a guy interested in villain characters though, it's just Bowser never really caught my attention until now. His powerful and taller stature not only makes him look far better, his moves received cool changes. Now, he's the only character I played as at Smash Fest. I swear, at some point I wanted to play a newcomer but I couldn't help but play a cool badass villain that wrecked shop every time I played him.

I think a lot of Bowser players are now arising.

 

[Hokori]

I've just recently been interested in Bowser. If anything, he was my least favorite character in Smash Brothers since he looked as clunky and slow as he played. I've always been a guy interested in villain characters though, it's just Bowser never really caught my attention until now. His powerful and taller stature not only makes him look far better, his moves received cool changes. Now, he's the only character I played as at Smash Fest. I swear, at some point I wanted to play a newcomer but I couldn't help but play a cool badass villain that wrecked shop every time I played him.

I think a lot of Bowser players are now arising.

Well it's nice that you've finally come around to liking Bowser!

And you're probably right about that. I feel as though people are going to be attracted by these quick, heavyweight powerhouses (expecting DK will be getting a lot more love as well). I've always been a fan of his character outside of Smash growing up, so that's what drove me to use him when he got introduced in Melee, but I know that isn't the case for everyone. Regardless, the more the merrier. The more people, the more activity around the boards. I want to really get to work when the game comes out so it's nice to have people to discuss the character with.

 

[Poxnixles]

Of the three characters I played (the other two being Greninja and DK) Bowser felt the most fun. Really content with the changes in the demo.

 

[Xuan Wu]

Bowser is my favorite villain character in the Smash series, and I am proud to have him as a secondary. ^-^

 

[Vysetron]

Is Georgia the Bowser state and I didn't know it? Cuz that's cool with me.

It's funny, I know a fair number of smash people down in GA. I'd figure at least one of them enjoys the Bowz. I live in VA, but I head down on occasion to visit friends. Honorary GA Bowser?

What about his grab range and his throws?

This is where my memory is a little foggy. I remember feeling like his grab was a bit slow, but the range seemed ok. His back throw seemed good, but none of the others really stick out to me at present. I honestly didn't get a chance to do throw shenanigans in the FFAs.

 

[Admiral Pit]

It's about time Bowser got a lot of love. I just hope the hype and greatness for him continues in the finalized version.

He approves, and I hope the gold shelled (or white to some) one is still there.

 

[Jerodak]

What about his grab range and his throws?

http://youtu.be/lL0F2BNCU2k?t=1m41s

If you slow the video down around when he does the banana toss into grab you can see that Samus is grabbed from just beond the tip of his knuckles. It's not 100% conclusive data I guess, but it seems like at least a good indicator of his new grab range. At the very least, it's nowhere near as stubby as it's been in previous iterations; It was like he was trying to grab with T-Rex arms or something.

 

[Hokori]

http://youtu.be/lL0F2BNCU2k?t=1m41s

If you slow the video down around when he does the banana toss into grab you can see that Samus is grabbed from just beond the tip of his knuckles. It's not 100% conclusive data I guess, but it seems like at least a good indicator of his new grab range. At the very least, it's nowhere near as stubby as it's been in previous iterations; It was like he was trying to grab with T-Rex arms or something.

Yeah, I think the range looks pretty solid. And I definitely prefer this new animation. One-handed grabs FTW.

 

[Jerodak]

Yeah, I think the range looks pretty solid. And I definitely prefer this new animation. One-handed grabs FTW.

I know right? Bowser knows he doesn't need both hands to keep all these puny people from running away!

 

[MrEh]

Standing grab range looks slightly longer then in Brawl/Melee. Looks similar to standing Klaw range in Brawl. Excellent.

Good to see players interested in playing Bowser. Hope ya'll rep your respective regions.

 

[ImaClubYou]

California Bowser here.

More precisley, SoCal.

 

[Jerodak]

Oh by the way, did anyone else notice that the Bair does seem to be short-hoppable? Looks like we get a few more options in the air now. http://youtu.be/fZflqX7IuqU?t=1m33s Notice that he starts charging that fsmash the instant he touches the ground. I'm guessing this means that Bair has a useful auto-cancel on it now which i'm sure most people were suspecting but now we have some visual evidence which supports the idea. If anyone can find some evidence that suggest otherwise then that'd be fine too, since it'd support another theory.

 

[Vysetron]

Oh by the way, did anyone else notice that the Bair does seem to be short-hoppable? Looks like we get a few more options in the air now. Notice that he starts charging that fsmash the instant he touches the ground. I'm guessing this means that Bair has a useful auto-cancel on it now which i'm sure most people were suspecting but now we have some visual evidence which supports the idea. If anyone can find some evidence that suggest otherwise then that'd be fine too, since it'd support another theory.

Seems accurate to me. B-air is love, b-air is life.

 

[MrEh]

Gonna miss the old Bair's face-smashing priority though.

But this one looks much better overall.

 

[CourageHound]

Smash 4 Demo - Bowser's Moveset - SSB3DS - SSB4 -…: http://youtu.be/eOEo0A7zVMU

More epicness straight from VGBC

 

[Jerodak]

Smash 4 Demo - Bowser's Moveset - SSB3DS - SSB4 -…: http://youtu.be/eOEo0A7zVMU

More epicness straight from VGBC

Thank you! Finally someone confirms that his crawl is back, also looks like we still get the amazing air-klaw approach!

 

[Moon Monkey]

 

[Hokori]

Oh by the way, did anyone else notice that the Bair does seem to be short-hoppable? Looks like we get a few more options in the air now. http://youtu.be/fZflqX7IuqU?t=1m33s Notice that he starts charging that fsmash the instant he touches the ground. I'm guessing this means that Bair has a useful auto-cancel on it now which i'm sure most people were suspecting but now we have some visual evidence which supports the idea. If anyone can find some evidence that suggest otherwise then that'd be fine too, since it'd support another theory.

Ah! I wasn't paying close enough attention to notice at first but this is great. These aerial buffs are so golden!

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

His new Nair seems to be crazy good as well.

 

[Jerodak]

Ah! I wasn't paying close enough attention to notice at first but this is great. These aerial buffs are so golden!

Yeah, I can see this new Bair being great in matches against characters like Luigi, and Peach. Or anyone that likes to approach from the air, it seems like a great way to wall them out. Sounds like great way to discourage jumping so we can keep the fight on the ground.

His new Nair seems to be crazy good as well.

Yeah, it looks like a nice spacing tool in the air, and maybe it could be useful for aerial cross-ups and combos. I like the presence of these new multi-hitting attacks in Bowser's arsenal, it seems like they give him a little more vesatility and help with racking up damage.

 

[Hokori]

Yeah, I can see this new Bair being great in matches against characters like Luigi, and Peach. Or anyone that likes to approach from the air, it seems like a great way to wall them out. Sounds like great way to discourage jumping so we can keep the fight on the ground.

Agreed. And if it actually ends up doing a whopping 20% then that's pretty incredible. In Brawl, Wolf was praised for his wonderful B-Air, but what we have right here is noiiiice. Edgeguarding too. The move is probably getting at least a 4.5/5 for utility.

 

[Jerodak]

Agreed. And if it actually ends up doing a whopping 20% then that's pretty incredible. In Brawl, Wolf was praised for his wonderful B-Air, but what we have right here is noiiiice. Edgeguarding too. The move is probably getting at least a 4.5/5 for utility.

I bet landing stage spikes with it will be pretty satisfying.

 

[Hokori]

I bet landing stage spikes with it will be pretty satisfying.

Land stage spike, get back on the stage, taunt. Rinse and repeat

 

[Collective of Bears]

So so many buffs coming Bowser's way. I think the tier list's gonna be falling over from being topheavy

 

[Jerodak]

http://youtu.be/TvV3dYTEFNg?t=5m57s Look at this! Whirling fortress didn't care at all about that hammer.

 

[Hokori]

So so many buffs coming Bowser's way. I think the tier list's gonna be falling over from being topheavy

http://youtu.be/TvV3dYTEFNg?t=5m57s Look at this! Whirling fortress didn't care at all about that hammer.

Buffs here, buffs there, buffs EVERYWHEREEEEE

 

[RomanceDawn]

Was this posted? Great Bowser move set video. Apparently in this build he can dash cancel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOEo0A7zVMU

 

[Hokori]

Was this posted? Great Bowser move set video. Apparently in this build he can dash cancel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOEo0A7zVMU

Yeah, it has been posted a couple of times actually.

However, I do think it'll be a good idea to compile the info we have so far into a separate thread and keep it as a reference.

Things like the aerials he can auto-cancel (I think all of them except for U-Air and D-Air?), the thing about dash canceling, super armor in Whirling Fortress, and he even retains his Side-B cancel (except I don't believe you're able to jump again afterward like Koopa Hopping in Brawl).

Thoughts?

 

[Jerodak]

Yeah, it has been posted a couple of times actually.

However, I do think it'll be a good idea to compile the info we have so far into a separate thread and keep it as a reference.

Things like the aerials he can auto-cancel (I think all of them except for U-Air and D-Air?), the thing about dash canceling, super armor in Whirling Fortress, and he even retains his Side-B cancel (except I don't believe you're able to jump again afterward like Koopa Hopping in Brawl).

Thoughts?

I was actually just about to make the same suggestion, do we already have a moveset analysis thread? We could compile that video along with any other good footage we find there so we can analyze it and collect some data, maybe form a few theories?

 

[Hokori]

I was actually just about to make the same suggestion, do we already have a moveset analysis thread? We could compile that video along with any other good footage we find there so we can analyze it and collect some data, maybe form a few theories?

As far as I know, we don't have a thread dedicated to moveset analysis/theories, more so a bunch of threads dedicated to a move in particular and other miscellaneous stuff. So yeah, I think we should start something up. I'll leave it to you or anyone else that cares to start the thread while I make suggestions on what to add/any other findings. It'll be good for organized discussion. E3 and the Smash Fests are over, so this thread may get locked/die out.

 

[Jerodak]

As far as I know, we don't have a thread dedicated to moveset analysis/theories, more so a bunch of threads dedicated to a move in particular and other miscellaneous stuff. So yeah, I think we should start something up. I'll leave it to you or anyone else that cares to start the thread while I make suggestions on what to add/any other findings. It'll be good for organized discussion. E3 and the Smash Fests are over, so this thread may get locked/die out.

Alright, I'll go ahead and start it up.

 

[FooltheFlames]

B-air looks so beast
combined with Bowsers good horizontal recovery Bowser is going to be much better now ^_^

 

[NefariousShyGuy]

Is Bowser OP now?

Being this fast, what are his weaknesses, if he has any?

Did they nerf how much damage he can deal, for example?

 

[ImaClubYou]

Is Bowser OP now?

Being this fast, what are his weaknesses, if he has any?

Did they nerf how much damage he can deal, for example?

He shares the same weakness as any big character, being big pretty much. Greninja, Mario, ZSS, WFT, and Fox may have a field day with him.

At the same time, Bowser looks good enough to handle this much better than before.

 

[Hokori]

He's still going to be combo food, he's still going to have trouble getting back to the stage after being knocked off, in a lot of MUs, Bowser will more than likely be the one forced to approach, and it never helped that his approach options were limited, and the issue of dealing with a slew of projectiles, like from Toon Link (though projectiles all around in this game don't seem to be as effective I guess since Sakurai is trying to discourage camping?).

Those kind of weaknesses. But like @ ImaClubYou mentioned, we will be better off handling those issues this go 'round.

Being big and quick doesn't necessarily make you OP.

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

What does Bowser's Down Smash Attack look like? It is still Buzzsaw?

 

[SpaceJell0]

What does Bowser's Down Smash Attack look like? It is still Buzzsaw?

Yup, essentially the same from what I played as him

 

[Jerodak]

What does Bowser's Down Smash Attack look like? It is still Buzzsaw?

http://youtu.be/eOEo0A7zVMU?t=1m28s

Edit: cause I forgot to put this in the first time, whoops.

Is Bowser OP now?

Being this fast, what are his weaknesses, if he has any?

Did they nerf how much damage he can deal, for example?

On major disadvantage will be his frame data, while the developers really trimmed the fat this time around, he still has many attacks that have a good deal of start up and cooldown. All the developers did was make it a bit easier for him to play his anti-offensive/poke then gave him a few better tools to handle situations where he's forced out of his comfort zone and needs to approach. His offensive options got better, but much of his moveset is still a large commitment and even when pressing an advantage, careful spacing and good reads will be as important as ever. Hope that eases any worry you might have about him.

 

[Hokori]

I'd also like to add that it'll be nice to have all discussion pertaining to Bowser's moveset in this thread: http://smashboards.com/threads/bowsers-moveset-analysis-discussion.358560/

We're trying to piece together all the info/observations regarding Bowser's moveset (there's a good deal of stuff so far) in a single thread for organizational purposes. Discussions regarding moveset utility are definitely welcome since it'll be nice to bounce ideas off of one another, plus, it'll keep some activity flowing around the Bowser forum.

As for this thread, it'll probably be best to just keep things opinionated (i.e. thoughts on Bowser's overall changes, personal demo experiences, etc).