bbALLSTAR23's Attempt at an Unbiased Character List

[Banjodorf]

You got Olimar and K. Rool

Thats good enough for me.

This is the most realistic roster I have yet to see.

Good work

 

[bballstar23]

You got Olimar and K. Rool

Thats good enough for me.

This is the most realistic roster I have yet to see.

Good work

Why thank you. Like I said, I tried to remove as much of my own opinion as possible.

 

[Joka]

Hmm, I couldn't find anything. Could you provide me with a link?

Ah! I found it!

CLICK HERE

Go to the part that says Clos about Noah.

 

[TheMastermind]

Good character roaster except, remove Geno hes a 3rd party character.
I personally believe Ness will be in the game. Sakuri never said he wasn't including clones.
and he specifically mentions that Lucas was very different from Ness.
Also he said "until now Ness was included in the game"
This is a phrase that hes used before, like when he said
"until now there has been a handycap mode in the game."
Its the same sentence of words translated.
The actual translation makes it seem strange. But in the language Sakuri wrote it in
it basically confirms ness.

Sakuri didnt say Geno wouldnt be 3rd party at all. The ONLY reason people think hes not 3rd party is because someone on this site made up something called a 2nd and a half party.
And they said they Geno was a 2nd and a half party character and not 3rd party.

It would be biased to believe this because there has NEVER been another
" 2nd and a half party character EVER" Someone made up the word and made up the defination. Geno IS a 3rd party character, by defination.

Sakuri said he would include 2 or 3 3rd party characters into the game.
Megaman already takes Genos spot. there.

Heres all the evidence ive collected against Geno Give your un-Biased attention to this.

There are actually a number of facts that go against Geno Makeing it into the game.

There were supposed to be only 2 or 3 3rd party slots. Geno IS NOT owned by nintendo in any way.
They have the rights to nothing except the game in which Geno appeared in.
Snake, Megaman, Sonic are the 3 3rd partys that will most likely be there.

But some hold out hope that Geno can be considered a 2nd and a half party character.
Which is fine actually. BUT There are a number of characters that are more deserveing to be in the game.
By More deserveing I mean the characters have been in more popular better selling games than Geno.
i have already listed over 40 characters that would be put into the game over Geno for this exact reason.
I'll list the characters again if you would like.

PsycoIncarnate himself said there would be 34-40 characters. Being really optimistic if there were 40 characters, that would mean he should be really optimistic for Geno to make it over a "More deserveing character"

Even small characters like Birdo and Bowser Jr. are far more deserveing than geno.
They have both been in More popular better selling games. And they have been in alot more than 2 games. Every single character that is more popular than Birdo and Bowser Jr has alot more of a chance
than Geno. Thats close to 50+

Then if you want to ignore those facts and just keep bringing up the poll over and over.
The poll was done not only to find playable characters but it was also done to find assist trophys
and Pokeballs and other information. Nintendo was going to make characters like
Link's Uncle (A Link to the Past) Dr. Wright (Sim City)
Blue Virus (Dr. Mario) Muddy (Mole Mania)
Poo (Earthbound) Paula (Earthbound)
Cheer Squad (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan!)

Playable characters, Nintendo knew that Geno wasnt as popular as 50 other characters they should put in.
So they put Geno in to see if he should be an assist trophy or to even see if anyone even liked him.
Many other characters were given the same fate
Jill (Drill Dozer) - AT!
Gardevoir (Pokemon) - POKEBALL!
Koopa Troopa (Mario) - ENEMY!
Petey Piranha (Mario Sunshine) - BOSS!
Little Mac (Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!!) - AT!
Hammer Bros. (Super Mario Bros.) - AT!

they had no intention of makeing any of those playable characters, they just wanted to see
which characters deserved the spot as an assist trophy. I personaly would really liked to have seen hamer bros as playable, but they already have to many Mario reps. They should give the spot to more deserveing characters. Nintendo Will make Geno an assist Trophy ONLY because he did well on the poll.

Thats why the only evidenceyou have is the poll when its not evidence at all.
Evidence is based on which characters are more deserveing to make it into the game.

Here is a list of characters that That are in more popular better selling games than Geno
And all of them are more deserveing to be in the gmae because of this.
Mario
Link
Pikachu
Kirby
Meta Knight
Pit
Samus/Zamus
Wario
Fox
Snake 10
Zelda/Shiek
Bowser
Donkeykong
Yoshi
Ike
Pokemon Trainer
Peach
Diddy kong
Ice climbers
Lucas 20
Sonic
King Dedede
Micaiah
Capt. Falcon
Luigi
Gannondorf
Midna
King K rule
Lucario
Mega Man 30
Claus
Krystal
Jigglypuff
Ridley
Marth
Mewtwo
Falco
Captain Olimar
Mr. Game and watch
Isaac 40
WW Link
Wolf
Black Knight
Birdo
Bowser Jr.
Ness 46
I actually have alot more that fit into the better than geno catigory

 

[Limit]

Your assessment of the Zelda series doesn't seem right in my opinion. I don't feel your reasoning behind WW Link is good enough to warrant knocking out all of those potential honorable mentions you have listed below. Honestly, do you realize how wrong that is? I would gladly have an entirely new character over yet another Link in this game. Even Midna.

Unbiased? More like false advertising. I also noticed you deliberately ignored Chaosblade77's post at the top of page 5 who also happened to question your standpoint on the matter. What's up with that?

By the way, your justification for Falco made me laugh. I understand that you're probably pretty **** clueless, but you might as well leave his entry blank if you're going to claim your list as "unbiased." Petty assumptions get you nowhere.

But it's not like I haven't seen lists like these before -- full of underlying garbage with many obvious shoe-ins covering them up, thus creating the typical "aesthetically appealing" roster.

I guess you just can't please everybody, but I'm sure an actual game developer can.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

I wholeheartedly disagree with the assessment that none of the Assist Trophies were considered for a spot on the roster. Some have an appearance and attack style that makes me believe that Sakurai was considering them at one point or another.

 

[ripman3]

i would L.O.V.E. love andy to be in brawl, but i'm not sure if i see it happening.

hey mastermind, you forgot one thing, Geno is a bada$$.

 

[vesperview]

I wholeheartedly disagree with the assessment that none of the Assist Trophies were considered for a spot on the roster. Some have an appearance and attack style that makes me believe that Sakurai was considering them at one point or another.

Does it matter anyway? They're assist trophies whether they were considered or not.

 

[Magically Enhanced Hobo]

Sakuri didnt say Geno wouldnt be 3rd party at all. The ONLY reason people think hes not 3rd party is because someone on this site made up something called a 2nd and a half party.
And they said they Geno was a 2nd and a half party character and not 3rd party.

It would be biased to believe this because there has NEVER been another
" 2nd and a half party character EVER" Someone made up the word and made up the defination. Geno IS a 3rd party character, by defination.

Sakuri said he would include 2 or 3 3rd party characters into the game.
Megaman already takes Genos spot. there.

Heres all the evidence ive collected against Geno Give your un-Biased attention to this.

There are actually a number of facts that go against Geno Makeing it into the game.

There were supposed to be only 2 or 3 3rd party slots. Geno IS NOT owned by nintendo in any way.
They have the rights to nothing except the game in which Geno appeared in.
Snake, Megaman, Sonic are the 3 3rd partys that will most likely be there.

But some hold out hope that Geno can be considered a 2nd and a half party character.
Which is fine actually. BUT There are a number of characters that are more deserveing to be in the game.
By More deserveing I mean the characters have been in more popular better selling games than Geno.
i have already listed over 40 characters that would be put into the game over Geno for this exact reason.
I'll list the characters again if you would like.

PsycoIncarnate himself said there would be 34-40 characters. Being really optimistic if there were 40 characters, that would mean he should be really optimistic for Geno to make it over a "More deserveing character"

Even small characters like Birdo and Bowser Jr. are far more deserveing than geno.
They have both been in More popular better selling games. And they have been in alot more than 2 games. Every single character that is more popular than Birdo and Bowser Jr has alot more of a chance
than Geno. Thats close to 50+

Then if you want to ignore those facts and just keep bringing up the poll over and over.
The poll was done not only to find playable characters but it was also done to find assist trophys

So, you're telling me the poll doesn't matter, and Sakurai saying he doesn't count Geno as a third party doesn't matter, but him saying 2-3 more third parties is a fact? That statement was made over a year ago, in an e-mail response that was unofficially translated by SamuraiPanda. There's nothing that says he has to stick to something as trivial as an e-mail response.

However, I do think your point is valid about Geno being extremely minor. I personally don't like him much(though I do love SMRPG) and don't think he's worthy of a spot, but you have to admit his chances are pretty high. That is the definition of unbiased, which is what this thread was meant to be. You don't have to agree with it, but looking at the facts, whether Geno is Third Party or not(a technicality I won't get into), he is more likely than a lot of other contenders.

 

[Mad555]

@ bbALLSTAR23
You edited your roster and made it bad.
Heres some advice: GET RID OF TINGLE AS A HONORABLE MENTION. (WHY PEOPLE LIKE HIM IS BEYOND ME).

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Tingle? *blank face*

 

[Joka]

Ok, the characters I've been hearing a lot of are Megaman, Klonoa, Bonk, Olimar and Simont Velmont

 

[bballstar23]

@ bbALLSTAR23
You edited your roster and made it bad.
Heres some advice: GET RID OF TINGLE AS A HONORABLE MENTION. (WHY PEOPLE LIKE HIM IS BEYOND ME).

Tingle? *blank face*

Hey, I don't like him either, and I explained why I had him there too. I agree that his chances are minimal after the Trophies update, but he still has his own spinoffs and is pretty popular in Europe in Japan. Like I said, as of right now, he is probably the least likely of the Zelda candidates.

Ok, the characters I've been hearing a lot of are Megaman, Klonoa, Bonk, Olimar and Simont Velmont

That doesn't mean they're all the most likely. I haven't heard too much about Simon, Bonk, and Klonoa compared to Olimar and Mega Man.

 

[Joka]

I've been looking up Brawl stuff and out of all those characters, there is talk of Olimar (from the Nintendo Poll), Klonoa (Rumor and NP) and Megaman (NP and Capcom update rumors).

 

[raphtmarqui]

I think K. Rool should just be an honorable mention. He just brings absolutely nothing new to the game.

 

[papagenos]

i really like your choices, a few things might be moved around a bit but this is probably a very close bet to the final roster.

 

[y3nia659]

Waluigi gets an honorable mention? I think you should at least give an honorable mention to Dixie

 

[Ca$hoholic]

PLEASE READ:

Paper Mario:
I have nothing against Paper Mario and his originality. He was originally created to bring back 2D platforming in a 3D universe, and though I originally didn't like him, he eventually grew on me. The main reason he probably won't make it in is the fact that the Mario universe has such a diverse selection to choose from, that a 2D Mario may be uneccessary, but if he did, he could potentially replace Dr. Mario, who is essentially Mario in a doctor's outfit. The main difference between Paper Mario and Mario are their abilities, but otherwise they are essentially the same Mario in two different worlds, as opposed to Link and Cel-Link, who are two different characters who share the same destiny but are from different universes. The last thing Paper Mario has going against him is popularity. He does not seem to have a big enough following or enough support to garner him a spot on the roster.
Legend of Zelda

Midna/Wolf Link:
Midna actually has a couple of things going for her. The first is the fact that Brawl is shifting over to a Twilight Princess theme for the Zelda characters, and seeing as she is Link's helper in the most recent game, she would be a good fit. Moreover, Midna is a female, and the lack of females has been addressed before, so adding her would not hurt at all. Midna could either be paired with or without Wolf Link, as she has potential either way. The only problem with her right now is significance in the series. To me, she would be another Sheik, mainly because she is a one time character as well. Also, the ending suggests that she won't be in anymore Zelda games, though I don't really see that as a factor for Brawl. Throughout the game, I saw her as more of an active Navi, so to speak. For those people that want her in because she is the most recent, I believe those are the wrong reasons to support her. For those that want her in for uniqueness, then I believe she could have the potential to be a new favorite on the roster with or without Wolf Link.

Oh man how i agree and want these guys as characters!! Lucario and Geno too

The Metroid series will most likely get 2 reps, and 3 if we're lucky.

Black Knight:
Since I have yet to play Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, I am going to go off of what I understand about the character. From videos I've watched, it seems as if the Black Knight would be another heavy character. The Black Knight is a very large and bulky character, especially with all that armor on. Ike looks small in comparison to the Black Knight, meaning if he was included, he would be even slower than Ike, mainly because of his size and the weight of his armor. We already know how slow Ike is, so imagine how slow the Black Knight would be. From what I understand, the Black Knight is Ike's rival in a sense, having killed his father. He does have some pros though; he would be another major villain added to Brawl, which once again is somewhat of a minority. While it would be very cool for some to relive this match up in Brawl, I don't see it happening.

I would say to put Rundas as an HM on metroid

An black knight as a character!

Also putting General Scales somewhere at the starfox places either HM or characters, because he fits more in the game then Andross do :\

 

[Pulse]

Goroh's nowhere near as important as he used to be. I'm not trying to get get Deathborn in because he would simply be another F-Zero rep., but because he is the main villian in a series with few heroes. As for popularity, well Sakurai basically said relavence>popularity, and being main villian is pretty relevent.

 

[Regiwi]

Really nice thread, I'd be happy with all the ones you've put. Obviously you can't guess WTF chars, but I think you're right about Geno being a WTF for most, like casual gamers.

 

[Superninjabreadman]

I dun think I've posted here yet.. but.. this Character list seems a little.. bleak. all the characters are highly mentioned, and theres hardly an original Idea, but thats what I suppose "Unbiased" means..

 

[Ca$hoholic]

I dont guess that Geno is a WTF Character because almost everyone at this forums wants him, and he is somewhat popular, so n one would be really surprise, even though i didnt know him before someone at serebii mentined his name...

a real WTF character is that cloud thing from mario RPG xD

 

[Roy-Kun]

Fire Emblem

As of right now, I don't have much for the Fire Emblem series, but plan to add more if needed.

Marth:
As the star of the original Fire Emblem, Marth is most likely making a return to the Smash Bros. series. He has the advantage of being the first main character of the Fire Emblem series, which provides him with a sense of nostalgia, and garners respect as the central protagonist of the original game. Moreover, Marth's appearance in Melee also helps his chances, since a new moveset would not need to be created for him. Marth also has a new game coming out for the DS, and being in Brawl could help advertise for this new game of his. As a popular character in Melee, it only makes sense that Marth would return for the next installment of the Smash Bros. series.

Micaiah:
I can't really judge her likelihood too accurately, but from what I've heard she is pretty likely for a number of reasons. She would be a female for one, which would help boost the female populace in Brawl. Also, she would help represent the magical side of Fire Emblem and would not be another sword fighter from the series. With Lyn deconfirmed her popularity seems to have increased and is from the latest Fire Emblem game, which could help her chances. If there are any other suggestions that are more deserving, I'd like to hear about them.

HM:

Black Knight:
Since I have yet to play Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, I am going to go off of what I understand about the character. From videos I've watched, it seems as if the Black Knight would be another heavy character. The Black Knight is a very large and bulky character, especially with all that armor on. Ike looks small in comparison to the Black Knight, meaning if he was included, he would be even slower than Ike, mainly because of his size and the weight of his armor. We already know how slow Ike is, so imagine how slow the Black Knight would be. From what I understand, the Black Knight is Ike's rival in a sense, having killed his father. He does have some pros though; he would be another major villain added to Brawl, which once again is somewhat of a minority. While it would be very cool for some to relive this match up in Brawl, I don't see it happening.

Roy:
Roy has very minimal chances of making it back. At the time, Roy's game was the latest in the Fire Emblem franchise. It was rumored that Sigurd would have taken the second spot had Nintendo not placed Roy in for advertising. That is the main reason why I don't believe Roy is coming back. Roy was merely placed in for advertising, and his significance to the series isn't very large at all, except for being the first main character on a handheld version of Fire Emblem. Since Roy's game on the Game Boy Advance, there have been five new games released, including the upcoming Fire Emblem DS. In Melee, Roy was a clone of Marth, meaning he would need an entirely new uncloned moveset. However, with the implementation of Ike from the latest Fire Emblem, and the likely return of Marth, I doubt Sakurai will go to the trouble of making a new moveset of a character he was forced to put in Melee, especially since, from what I've been told, Roy is not that popular in Japan.

Sigurd:
Sigurd is one of the more popular Fire Emblem characters from what I can tell. However, with Ike already in, and Marth the most likely character to return, his chances are slim. I have nothing against Sigurd, but adding another blue-haired, male swordsman may start to bring a stereotype to the series, which is composed of many different types of lords and characters. It is hard to determine Sigurd's chances, because I've heard that Sakurai and the Japanese public both like him, but I see Marth getting the edge over him with his established moveset.

PLEASE DO NOT POST YET

I sort of don't like this...

Don't worry, it's not about Roy, what you said is logical, and I agree... a bit.

Anyways, my problem there is the Black Knight, Micaiah is the only character who really deserves the 2nd Tellius spot, and the Black Knight is suited better for Boss, i'd put Eliwood instead.

 

[TamJammerz]

Looking good

 

[Banjodorf]

I think K. Rool should just be an honorable mention. He just brings absolutely nothing new to the game.

Please explain. "Nothing new" means what?

Ill prove he'd be a fun character. Heres the moveset we pieced together in the K. Rool thread (partly) and some of my variations. (Just B moves, A moves and grabs take too much time to do right now)

Neutral B - Blunderbuss - Fires a canonball that is chargable. At maximum charge the canonball becomes a spiked canonball with high knockback.

B> - Crown Toss - K. Rool tosses his crown, similar to Link's boomerang of old. Can be tilted up or down.

B ^ - Helicopter Jetpack - He uses his helicopter Jetpack from DKC3, propelling him upward and damaging foes he hits.

B-Down - Krusha Slam - Slams the ground ala DK64 and produces a shockwave which moves outward in either direction, damaging those caught in it.

FS - Invisible Uppercut - ala Dk64 he becomes invisible, his shadow is still visible, and moves towards the nearest foe in the direction hes facing, uppercutting them with his boxing glove and sending them flying.

See? Is not that hard. Nothing new? Peh. he deserves a spot.

 

[BlublacMH]

I TOTALLY agree with this roster. It looks just like my own and I couldnt complain if I tried. Kudos for including Issac & Miciah!

EDIT: Why is everyone so against an AC character? It will "destroy the nature of the series?" Did seeing Falcon fight make you wonder why he doesnt falcon punch the other racers? Did you wonder why Fox didnt shine spike General Scales? Or why Peach doesnt give Bowser a frying pan to the head? Seeing these characters fight didnt ruin their or their series' nature, and it wont ruin AC.

 

[Luigi player]

I'd be pretty pleased with this roster, though Knuckles would be awesome, but I know why you didn't mention him

 

[binki4]

yes i would like to see megaman in brawl because he was on the nintendo system and they should put him in imedely now

 

[Joka]

I'd be pretty pleased with this roster, though Knuckles would be awesome, but I know why you didn't mention him

Speaking of Knuckles, I bet you Dr. Eggman will be a boss in Brawl.

 

[Foe]

Pretty fair roster. I'd be happy with this.

 

[PITforREV]

Best predictions on these boards. Loved it, presented really well, too. If this was our roster I would be completely satisified. I really hope nintendo can work to get these 49 characters in, plus Andy.

 

[bballstar23]

Sorry for not replying to all of you guys sooner. When I'm free, I hope to add more to this and reply to some of the feedback I've been getting. (I hate college application essays!)

 

[Jacobcc]

Wow..thats a long list to read!!..

 

[Matt Silver]

If this was a roster, I would pay double for the Brawl game. Kudos for including nothing too off the walls crazy, and pleasing everybody is a must [sarcastic]. Anyway, good on you.

 

[00Elf]

Best roster I seen, but Andy? C'mon.

 

[Trophyhunter]

Wolf would be cool i could have sworn there was an update on the dojo saying he's an AT.

 

[Tinkerer]

The same argumentation for Paper Mario not be in can be used against Cel-Link. Even more, since Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are NOT set in different universes, and Paper Mario is a spin-off, while Wind Waker isn't. Design =/= another character.

I couldn't find any other flaws than that, really. It's a pretty awesome list overall (I don't agree with it for 100%, but hey, the first person who can create a list that everyone agrees with gets a trophy ).

 

[Mad555]

Hey, I don't like him either, and I explained why I had him there too. I agree that his chances are minimal after the Trophies update, but he still has his own spinoffs and is pretty popular in Europe in Japan. Like I said, as of right now, he is probably the least likely of the Zelda candidates.



That doesn't mean they're all the most likely. I haven't heard too much about Simon, Bonk, and Klonoa compared to Olimar and Mega Man.

You can change Tingle now, he's deconfirmed as an AT. Do you think you can add Zant as an HM?

 

[TheMastermind]

Freaken take out geno and add in Ness.
Ness has been confirmed in Japineese.

 

[TheMastermind]

So, you're telling me the poll doesn't matter, and Sakurai saying he doesn't count Geno as a third party doesn't matter.

Sakurai NEVER said this EVER! Geno fits the definition in the gameing dictionary of being a
3rd party character! IF only IF there would be more 3rd partys they would add characters
alot more popular than geno.

-Bomerman
-Packman
-Sora from Kingdom hearts
-Cloud
-Banjo and Kazooie

The list goes on. It would be biased to think Geno has even an outside chance.
The ONLY reason he and other characters were added to the polls was because,
they were considering them for assist trophys.

IF, ONLY IF, Nintendo paid the company money then they would be able to include geno
as an assist trophy. Thats 3rd party right there.