Bayonetta Summons the Climax! Updated OT. - (Old Bayonetta Support Thread)

[Claire Diviner]

Bayonetta is a woman that essentially strips to attack with her hair, and makes innuendo that puts Snake's comment on taking off some of his gear to catch Samus to shame.

What part of the toning down idea do you not get? It can be done without ruining the main point of the character.

 

[Deleted member]

I was only explaining why comparing ZSS to Bayonetta in terms of sexualization is not a logical comparison. Don't bite my head off.
My statement had nothing to do with "why she can't be in" and was made in direct response to inawordyes' remarks about ZSS, so no need to get defensive about it.
EDIT: The fact that you only pinpointed that part of my post kind of hints that you didn't gather the proper context.

 

[jigglover]

No one thought of Bayonetta before AT ALL and after this thread is made it looks as if me and golden are the only people on this forum who don't support her fully or think she'd make an interesting inclusion... She is impossible right now, and the roster has already more than possibly already been decided, while she is impossible. She is far too sexualized for smash, I mean, she might not like wearing clothes she doesn't make with her own hair! Don't you see that if you're a fan of the game then her in smash will be far-from-what you're expecting. I find that having someone going around snapping necks with their hair probably isn't suitable for the 8 or 9 year-olds who play this, and the game would be ramped up to a 15/18 if she was included being toned down just a little bit. They'd have to put her in a skin-tight suit like ZSS, and on appearance it would pretty much be ZSS with extremely long hair, and you peoples wouldn't like it. The game would be abused by critics with her inclusion, saying it's like a street-fighter for younger kids - and better with brawl, and with SSB4 it would be This is a less-appropriate street-fighter for older people (street-fighter is a 15, this could be an 18) and though it is slightly better, the inclusion of Bayonetta alone has ranked up the age rating to a crowd which tend to play street-fighter more, and SSB less. What were you thinking Sakurai!?

 

[Deleted member]

I never stated I supported her, just think she'd make an interesting addition.

 

[Gene]

^ Same here.

I've played Bayonetta and I'm aware of her moves in game and how sexualized she is. I can say that it wouldn't be hard at all to tone her down. But she doesn't need to be fully toned down to the point of her wearing a skin tight suit like zero suit, or attacking while showing no skin at all. There's more than one way to approach this problem.

And the only 3rd parties I fully support are either Ray Man or Pac Man. And that's if 3rd parties make a return.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Heres how i feel about Bayoneta.

1. Don't care for her. I played her game and found it fun but i just don't care for the character.

2. The idea of her in the game is interesting but she has no chance at all.

Spoiler

i want the red hero from Wonderful 101

 

[yani]

Found this on GAF regarding the original coming to Wii-U

which leads to

 

[Gene]

The red hero from The Wonderful 101 would actually be a good idea.

 

[8-peacock-8]

The red hero from The Wonderful 101 would actually be a good idea.

He would be even more interesting then Bayonetta.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I'd rather someone from Wonderful 101 than Bayonetta. But that's just me.

The red hero from The Wonderful 101 would actually be a good idea.

I like the blue guy more, but I think the red hero is the "main hero" of the game, so if anyone from that game got in it'd be him, so I'd be okay with the red one.

Edit: We need nicknames for these people. I will call the red one "Ken."

 

[8-peacock-8]

I like the blue guy more, but I think the red hero is the "main hero" of the game, so if anyone from that game got in it'd be him, so I'd be okay with the red one.

Edit: We need nicknames for these people. I will call the red one "Ken."

I will nickname the tubby green one Bob.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I will nickname the tubby green one Bob.

We need somethign femenine for the blue guy. I'm partial to Louisa myself.

 

[8-peacock-8]

We need somethign femenine for the blue guy. I'm partial to Louisa myself.

Yeah, i could actually see that be the blue one's name.

 

[jigglover]

I will nickname the tubby green one Bob.

Spoiler

the builder.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Spoiler

the builder.

you mean

Spoiler

Barker.

 

[Rosalina suporter]

Found this on GAF regarding the original coming to Wii-U

which leads to

To be honest,I think hes hinting to us that she could be geting in.I may be wrong but i think thats what hes doing.

 

[jigglover]

To be honest,I think hes hinting to us that she could be geting in.I may be wrong but i think thats what hes doing.

It's funny what your mind makes you think if you want something to happen. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but since I'm against her, I can't find any way that it does, but you support her and you can..?

 

[Claire Diviner]

To be honest,I think hes hinting to us that she could be geting in.I may be wrong but i think thats what hes doing.

Getting in Smash 4? I don't believe that was what he was hinting. He's just hinting at the potential for a Wii U release of the first Bayonetta.

 

[Gene]

We need nicknames for these people. I will call the red one "Ken."

When I first saw the red hero, I thought he looked like if Viewtiful Joe and Vash from Trigun had a baby.

Viewtiful Vash?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

When I first saw the red hero, I thought he looked like if Viewtiful Joe and Vash from Trigun had a baby.

Viewtiful Vash?

Nope. He is now Kenny, the blue one is Louisa, and the green one is Bob

Spoiler

Barker

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[Gene]

...Kenny it is. *sniff*

Louisa sounds like a pretty cute name.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

...Kenny it is. *sniff*

 

[jigglover]

 

[Robert of Normandy]

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[jigglover]

 

[Gene]

 

[Big-Cat]

Fun Fact: People said that Bayonetta looked like Sarah Palin or Tina Fey.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

If Sakurai can give her a unique moveset that's true to her origin and tone down most of the sexuality, she'd be one character I'd support. Bayonetta was the best non-Devil May Cry Kamiya game I played.

Which makes me wonder. Since Nintendo is publishing the sequel, does that mean all the Sega references in the last game would be replaced with Nintendo ones in the sequel? Imaging her collecting Rupees instead of the Sonic ring-esque halos. XD

 

[Tesh]

I've never played metal gear solid, but I can tell you 100% that if you just watch 1 cutscene from bayonetta and then 1 from metal gear solid, you will see that toning each character down for a kid's game is much different. Snake barely has to change anything. All he has to do is not smoke, curse or draw blood (he even still gets to choke people). None of the violence in bayonetta is a problem.

 

[Big-Cat]

It's those sexy poses and natural censors. I played the game again last night and there are really only a handful of type of nudity issues. Most attacks don't require the use of her hair, aka showing skin, and that really only applies to specific Umbra attacks and her Climax attacks (I'M A HOT MOM!). You could have a full moveset for her and not have to run into the nudity issue, and you could open options more by censoring a few attacks in the transition. Though, let's say that they decide to include a Climax attack as a final smash. They could just use clever editing and make it into a cutscene attack without showing anything while also implying it to fans of the series.

 

[Big-Cat]

Bumping this with something I just realized.

Let's say that Platinum wants Bayonetta in Smash, they could always buy the rights from Sega period. For a couple of years, Arcsys couldn't get the rights to Guilty Gear from Sega so they made BlazBlue instead, but they've acquired Guilty Gear once more and an update has come out in Japan last month since then.

 

[Claire Diviner]

Bumping this with something I just realized.

Let's say that Platinum wants Bayonetta in Smash, they could always buy the rights from Sega period. For a couple of years, Arcsys couldn't get the rights to Guilty Gear from Sega so they made BlazBlue instead, but they've acquired Guilty Gear once more and an update has come out in Japan last month since then.

That's a pretty good point. The question is if Platinum Games want to acquire the rights to Bayonetta. Let's just assume they eventually do: This would mean there'd be no reason why we couldn't have Bayonetta and Sonic in the same roster (assuming Sonic's coming back).

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not sure how expensive rights to Bayonetta are, so I'm not sure if they could afford it, but assuming they could and do get the license, I'd think it'd be more than just a Smash game.

That said, Kamiya has said he wants Bayonetta in Smash, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did try to get her into Smash regardless. However, it's Sakurai extremely high expectation of third-parties that's going to keep Bayonetta out.

 

[Big-Cat]

More like he said, "Ask Sakurai."

High expectations or not, Bayonetta may not have the star power of Megaman or Sonic, but she is filled to the brim with potential which makes her appealing from a gameplay point of view.

 

[jigglover]

New topic: Would Bayonneta actually fit into the style of smash?

 

[Deleted member]

She has the moves, she has the style.
Just tone her down a bit on the swearing and stripping, and she wouldn't be that bad.
She can keep her character by throwing some weaker innuendo; it's not like Smash hasn't done so already. ("Mei Ling, Samus took her clothes off!" and "You know, I bet if I took off all this heavy gear, I could catch her...")

 

[Big-Cat]

Jigglover, you can say she fits in considering the entire roster is a cast of misfit characters.

 

[jigglover]

Not really. The biggest mis-fit is the fire emblem series, and that still fits in pretty well. The problem I see with Bayonetta is looking at her, Marth and Pikachu side-by-side and asked who's the odd-one-out. You'll say Bayonetta.

 

[N3ON]

Personally I've never heard about any of the existing characters or series not fitting in Smash except Snake (and Sonic, but not for aesthetic purposes). I've never heard any complaints about Fire Emblem fitting in, I think they fit in as well as any Nintendo series.

Sakurai has convinced me a character like Snake can work and fit in, and honestly I think a toned-down Bayonetta could be made to fit just as well. Her outfit and playstyle wouldn't be full of realism anyway, which is one of the major complaints against characters fitting in.

Plus, if I saw Bayonetta, Marth, and Pikachu side-by-side, I'd say the odd-one-out would be Pikachu. The former two are (for the most part) normal human-shaped characters, while Pikachu is a small cartoon electric rat who had to be enlarged to fit the roster.

 

[jigglover]

...Bad examples...
Anyway, I didn't say that FE didn't fit in, I said that it fitted in the least, proving my point, since it does. I don't, and have never, though Snake wouldn't fit into smash at all, I mean, in snake eater there's a bliddy yoshi in the first level! Also the ! sign that appears above his head when seen is just like the pokemon trainers when they see you.